Upgrades to my build?

[gtaivplayer]

Hi, current build is Ivy Bridge, on the way to building a really nice computer, on a budget of some kind but would prefer to leave absolutely unnecessary things out, like upgrading CPU if it won't actually be worth it;

My CPU cost about 180€, would an i7-3770k without overclocking perform good enough to be worth 300€?

Mobo: AsRock Z77 Pro3

CPU: i5-3470 (Should I upgrade to i7-3770k Ivy Bridge? Or go with a new motherboard for Haswell CPU's? Is there a significant boost in performance to pay that additional money for the motherboard and then the CPU itself? Would I do fine with this one?)

GPU: GTX 650 Ti (upgrading to GTX 780 Ti)

RAM: Kingston 2x4GB 1600MHz

HDD: 1tb WD 6400 RPM (Buying another 3tb storage HDD, should I buy a SSD instead?)

PSU: 750w G750M

Case: A really really old mid-tower with a fan on the back that can't be speed adjusted (one of the wires is broken). Open for any full-tower suggestions preferably! Prefer ones with fans included already.

Main priority with the build: Games. On a single 1080p monitor (yes 780 ti might be overkill). Thanks for reading and if you have any kind of opinion on these upgrades please do post.

Having a hard time here thinking if I should skip CPU upgrade and buy another monitor just to please my multitasking senses. Or to upgrade CPU and buy a decent used 21 inch 1080p monitor for the job, if CPU upgrade is even needed

Also I know I chose the wrong motherboard since I'm not planning to overclock, my bad when I didn't know anything about motherboard types 😀 Should probably think about a non K version cpu also

 

[TechyInAZ]

Geforce GTX 780 ti is wayyy overkill. Just get a Geforce GTX 780 and use that money to get a z97 motherboard and a i5 4690K.

 

[gtaivplayer]

Geforce GTX 780 ti is wayyy overkill. Just get a Geforce GTX 780 and use that money to get a z97 motherboard and a i5 4690K.

Asus Z97-PRO + i5-4690K for 380€, but how much is the benefit for getting that cpu instead of a i7-3770k? I know it's not worth it to get the 780 Ti but somehow I feel the most confident in buying a 3770k and 780 ti 🙁

 

[TechyInAZ]

Geforce GTX 780 ti is wayyy overkill. Just get a Geforce GTX 780 and use that money to get a z97 motherboard and a i5 4690K.

Asus Z97-PRO + i5-4690K for 380€, but how much is the benefit for getting that cpu instead of a i7-3770k?

Haswell not so much better than ivy bridge. BUT, you have the ability to drop in the way faster and more efficient Broadwell cpus in the next year or two.

 

[Karsten75]

I doubt the i7-3770 will perform better than your current i5-3470 in most games.

Main difference between i5 and i7 series is hyper-threading which means each CPU core can switch between different tasks if the current task becomes blocked. Most games don't accommodate for that - it is mostly beneficial for people rendering graphis or processing videos or working with Photoshop.


This benchmark chart (cut and paste, since the forum breaks the link)
=822&cmp[]=2]http://www.cpubenchmark.net/compare.php?cmp[]=822&cmp[]=2

suggests that if you can exploit multi-tasking you will get about a 33% improvement in throughput. If you can only use a single core, you will only get 5%.

 

[gtaivplayer]

I doubt the i7-3770 will perform better than your current i5-3470 in most games.

Main difference between i5 and i7 series is hyper-threading which means each CPU core can switch between different tasks if the current task becomes blocked. Most games don't accommodate for that - it is mostly beneficial for people rendering graphis or processing videos or working with Photoshop.


This benchmark chart (cut and paste, since the forum breaks the link)
=822&cmp[]=2]http://www.cpubenchmark.net/compare.php?cmp[]=822&cmp[]=2

suggests that if you can exploit multi-tasking you will get about a 33% improvement in throughput. If you can only use a single core, you will only get 5%.

Ok, so do you believe I could just go without upgrading my CPU and keep the 780 Ti as I originally planned, and upgrade on the Ivy Bridge slot later if the CPU starts causing lag or upgrade to a Haswell? Looking at that benchmark and some information about Haswell CPU's it looks like they aren't really that much faster than the one I'm using right now, since I don't really do anything to utilize hyper threading.

Either way I really feel more confident in the 780 Ti rather than the normal 780. I do have the money to upgrade to Z97 + i5-4690k but that would leave me with about 100€ left but I would have a really nice computer 😀

Thanks for the replies guys

 

[3Dns]

GTX780ti right now is pointless.
I have GTX760 and i can play anything in ultra. Have in mind that i have a AOC 24" monitor 144hz/1ms

So i suggest you that upgrade.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($29.98 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 770 2GB Superclocked ACX Video Card ($324.99 @ NCIX US)
Case: Cooler Master HAF 912 ATX Mid Tower Case ($53.99 @ Mwave)
Case Fan: Cooler Master SickleFlow 69.7 CFM 120mm Fan ($7.98 @ OutletPC)
Case Fan: Cooler Master Megaflow 110.0 CFM 200mm Fan ($7.99 @ Newegg)
Fan Controller: Kingwin FPX-003 Fan Controller ($34.99 @ Mwave)
Total: $459.92
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available

 

[3Dns]

And this is the other think.
The cheapiest GTX780ti cost 600$

Look what you can get with this money.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-4670K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($219.99 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: MSI Z97 PC MATE ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($80.00 @ Newegg)
Video Card: Gigabyte Radeon R9 290 4GB WINDFORCE Video Card ($319.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $619.98
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available

 

[gtaivplayer]

GTX780ti right now is pointless.
I have GTX760 and i can play anything in ultra. Have in mind that i have a AOC 24" monitor 144hz/1ms

So i suggest you that upgrade.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($29.98 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 770 2GB Superclocked ACX Video Card ($324.99 @ NCIX US)
Case: Cooler Master HAF 912 ATX Mid Tower Case ($53.99 @ Mwave)
Case Fan: Cooler Master SickleFlow 69.7 CFM 120mm Fan ($7.98 @ OutletPC)
Case Fan: Cooler Master Megaflow 110.0 CFM 200mm Fan ($7.99 @ Newegg)
Fan Controller: Kingwin FPX-003 Fan Controller ($34.99 @ Mwave)
Total: $459.92
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available

And this is the other think.
The cheapiest GTX780ti cost 600$

Look what you can get with this money.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-4670K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($219.99 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: MSI Z97 PC MATE ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($80.00 @ Newegg)
Video Card: Gigabyte Radeon R9 290 4GB WINDFORCE Video Card ($319.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $619.98
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available

Thanks for both of the replies, and I get your point about cheapest GTX 780 Ti being $600 and what it could get me instead. But the problem isn't money, the main thing here is that I will be getting good performance for my money, as I don't have another use for my money than to upgrade my computer.

But is upgrading to a Haswell necessary? I know, it's a huge waste of money buying performance you probably won't need, but just so that it is there. Once I buy one of the best in slot upgrades it's going to sit there for a few years. It's been my dream for quite a few years to run anything on ultra, whatever I give to my computer

But mostly what I have on my mind right now; buy a GTX 780 or Ti, going to depend on what I will plan to do with the rest of my money such as monitors peripherals etc. Then monitor CPU usage during full load on the newer games, Battlefield 4 Crysis 3 Watch dogs etc. If any of them show signs of CPU causing lag, -> i7-3770k. However if it doesn't lag under 60 fps, I would upgrade to a Haswell or whatever the next one is whenever it's needed to have over 60 fps no matter what. What do you think about this plan? Might be a waste of money to get the 780 Ti, but then I know I would have the best single performing card right now. Then it would be just about the CPU upgrade.

Also about the case, I don't have experience with mid-tower or full-tower cases, just whatever I happened to find when I built my current computer. I have no air rotation at all inside. Would a mid-tower with front + back fan with a default intel fan keep the system cool enough? No overclocking is going to be done. I was planning to go with a full tower just to get that additional boost to cooling but if it's alright with a mid-tower should just go with one and save 100€.

 

[Karsten75]

OK, you asked for advice, you got it. It's your money. No-one gave you bad advice. Putting your money in the bank until you want to use it is not a bad thing. In a year or so, even the 780Ti will look slow.