Upgrading GTX570 -> ??

[Sochie]

Need advice please people

current system (6 year old build)

CPU: Intel i7-960 bloomsfield
MOBO: EVGA X58 SLI mobo / aftermarket fan
RAM: 12gb 2133 i think 3 sticks triple channel whatever
GPU: EVGA gtx570
PSU:700W ocz

I'd like to get a whole new system on a i5-7600k going however due to budget I'm thinking of putting a new GPU in this while get more $$$. I was going to go with something cheaper like a GTX1050ti ($150 Canadian people). Looked at a GTX1060 6GB currently cost $420.00++ the 3gb still like $400+ and $450 for a 1060 6gb seems like a lot for what it is and considering how much better a 1070 is (but they are really expensive $600+) and then I found a GTX 970 made by PNY on sale from $420 to $220 (currently waiting for stock but sale price stands for orders placed currently)

This 970 seems like a steal @ $220 Canadian with today's prices (GPUs crazy high). So how much better is the 1060 6gb when i can get 970 for half the price... and how much better is 970 than 1050ti pretty good right?? I still have trouble fully understanding cuda core and speeds and how to properly compare the specs properly trying to learn how to build a computer by myself and understand it too lol advice suggestions Id like to spend 200... if i was going to spend 400 I would want it to be a card good for the 'new' pc

GTX 1050ti = $150
GTX 1050ti FTW = $280
GTX 970 = $220 (PNY listed as sale from $420)
GTX 1060 3gb = $300-350 (single fan 300+)
GTX 1060 6gb = $400+ (found 1 @ $385 dual fan)

also you always want dual fan like on a 6GB 1060 for extra 30$ dual fan not single right?? Thanks for reading any and all help appretiated

 

[chemmajorp53]

The GTX 970 is about as fast as a 1060 3GB, you could probably find one even cheaper used. That would be a good upgrade for you. For what it's worth, even as someone who owns a K-series i5, I wouldn't buy a 7600K. It doesn't make much sense when you can get an R5 1600 for the same price and coffee lake will be coming soon with more cores. If you want to, the GTX 970 would get you by for a while, but it's always good to upgrade everything at once so you can make sure that you get the best balance out of your components.

 

[ARICH5]

what retailer are you using? i cant find a 970 anywhere on the west coast.

 

[photonboy]

https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/MSI/GTX_1050_Ti_Gaming_X/27.html

Your weaker CPU will bunch up many of the graphics cards closer together, however games vary a LOT so there will be some games that will have minor CPU bottleneck or not at all.

The GTX1050Ti seems to be about 50% faster than a GTX570 (assuming no CPU bottleneck) though it has 4GB of VRAM and the GTX570 has maybe 1.5GB?

It's very difficult to make a recommendation because:
a) VRAM upgrade may help some games
b) 50% (ish) is best-case and CPU bottleneck in most games probably would be lower than this
c) more than GTX1050Ti is expensive so hard to recommend without upgrading the rest of system (mainly CPU)

So while you will benefit I feel that you might as well wait until you can do the entire system. I'd also consider building around the R5-1600 CPU which is slower in many games (but usually well over 60FPS) but the higher thread count will make the system last longer IMO.

So I'd wait and go with something more like:

R5-1600
2x8GB DDR4 3200MHz
GTX1060 6GB (or better)
etc

 

[photonboy]

To me it boils down to how LONG it would be until you built a new system. If it's going to be a while, then I'd go with a GTX1050Ti. It will help a bit, and if you resell you won't lose that much.

If you have a good CPU (I mean the next one) then the GTX1050Ti is still half decent while you save up for an even better graphics card as well, though you'd want to carefully tweak game settings (it can even handle Crysis 3 and similar games if you tweak settings properly).

So perhaps do THIS:

1) buy GTX1050Ti
2) sell GTX570
3) build new system later (use GTX1050Ti for a while)
4) upgrade to GTX1080 or better later

 

[cryoburner]

This 970 seems like a steal @ $220 Canadian with today's prices (GPUs crazy high). So how much better is the 1060 6gb when i can get 970 for half the price... and how much better is 970 than 1050ti pretty good right?? I still have trouble fully understanding cuda core and speeds and how to properly compare the specs properly trying to learn how to build a computer by myself and understand it too lol advice suggestions Id like to spend 200... if i was going to spend 400 I would want it to be a card good for the 'new' pc

Yeah, the 970 would be comparable in performance to a 1060 3GB. In addition to having less memory, the 3GB 1060 also has 10% fewer cores compared to the 6GB version, and as such gets around 10% lower performance. You don't really have to mess too much with keeping track of cores and clock rates and such when comparing cards though, since there are a lot of resources online that can help provide performance comparisons. One that I like is Userbench...

http://gpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Nvidia-GTX-970-vs-Nvidia-GTX-1050-Ti/2577vs3649

From that, you can easily tell that a 970 or 1060 should be significantly faster than a 1050 Ti. Even an overclocked 1050 Ti shouldn't come close to those cards. You can also compare these cards against your GTX 570, to get an idea of how much additional performance each card could potentially offer. The exact numbers are not necessarily precise, and can vary based on things like driver updates, DirectX versions, monitor resolution, card overclocks and the various performance demands of each game, but they should generally provide at least a rough idea of whether one card is likely to be significantly faster than another.

Tom's also has a GPU hierarchy chart that groups cards by relative performance give or take around 10% or so, which might help you find other cards around the performance level you are looking for (though newer cards are usually best, since they will generally require less power and create less heat and noise for the same level of performance)...

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gpu-hierarchy,4388.html

And of course, you can search for reviews, which will often have charts detailing the performance of each card against its existing competitors within a given performance range.

As for the cooler, a dual fan would usually be better, since it can potentially cool the card more effectively, and also keep the fans at a slower speed to remain quieter. However, you should also keep the wattage of a card in mind, since higher wattage cards will generally produce more heat and benefit more from better cooling. A 1050 Ti only uses around 70 watts under load, so it might be able to get away with a smaller, single fan cooler more than a 1060, for example, which can draw up to around 120 watts. A 970, by comparison can use over 150 watts under load, and your GTX 570 can draw over 200 watts. Obviously, the higher wattage cards will require a better cooler than the lower wattage ones.

 

[Sochie]

what retailer are you using? i cant find a 970 anywhere on the west coast.

amazon has a PNY one... ya not much out there but they getting some stock in got lucky