Build Advice Upgrading hardware ?

[ApprenticeDK]

Hello

I am thinking about buying new, CPU + Cooler - Motherboard & PSU

CPU : Intel® Core™ i5-13600K

Cooler : CORSAIR iCUE H115i RGB ELITE

MB : MSI MAG Z790 Tomahawk WIFI

PSU : Seasonic FOCUS Plus 650 Platinum

I wish to hear your thoughts, any + or -

 

[Lafong]

What is your max budget for those 4 parts?

Are you wedded to liquid cooling?

What case?

 

[ApprenticeDK]

I am from Denmark, and the best price I can get for all of it is about 1150$ - 7500DKK.

Havn't tryed liquid cooling before, but i want it.

The case is
NZXT S340 ATX Mid Tower Case

 

[Lafong]

Looks pretty good.

What GPU?

Is this primarily for gaming?

 

[ApprenticeDK]

https://dk.pcpartpicker.com/list/MprWNc

I hope it will be a good upgrade for me

How about the RAM, would they be good enough?

Yes mostly for gaming

 

[Lafong]

32 GB is fine, but I would get 2 sticks of 16 gb each, rather than 4 sticks of 8 gb each

 

[ApprenticeDK]

Thank you

 

[Lucky_SLS]

a bit cheaper 5800X3D option:

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 5800X3D 3.4 GHz 8-Core Processor (2314.00kr @ Proshop)
CPU Cooler: Deepcool AG620 BK ARGB 67.88 CFM CPU Cooler (453.00kr @ Proshop)
Motherboard: Gigabyte B550 AORUS ELITE AX V2 ATX AM4 Motherboard (1301.00kr @ Proshop)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance LPX 32 GB (4 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 CL18 Memory (Purchased For 0.00kr)
Storage: Samsung 870 Evo 500 GB 2.5" Solid State Drive (Purchased For 0.00kr)
Storage: Samsung 970 Evo Plus 1 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 3.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive (Purchased For 0.00kr)
Video Card: MSI VENTUS 2X OCV1 GeForce RTX 3060 Ti LHR 8 GB Video Card (Purchased For 0.00kr)
Case: NZXT S340 ATX Mid Tower Case (Purchased For 0.00kr)
Power Supply: NZXT C850 (2022) 850 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply (970.00kr @ Proshop)
Monitor: AOC CQ27G2U/BK 27.0" 2560 x 1440 144 Hz Curved Monitor (Purchased For 0.00kr)
Total: 5038.00kr
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2023-07-10 14:15 CEST+0200

Alternate case if you want:

https://dk.pcpartpicker.com/product/RY4Ycf/nzxt-h5-flow-atx-mid-tower-case-cc-h51fb-01

https://dk.pcpartpicker.com/product/QnD7YJ/fractal-design-pop-air-atx-mid-tower-case-fd-c-poa1a-02

AM5 option if you want to upgrade your CPU:

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 7700X 4.5 GHz 8-Core Processor (2651.00kr @ Føniks Computer)
CPU Cooler: Deepcool AG620 BK ARGB 67.88 CFM CPU Cooler (453.00kr @ Proshop)
Motherboard: Asus TUF GAMING B650-PLUS WIFI ATX AM5 Motherboard (1549.00kr @ Proshop)
Memory: G.Skill Flare X5 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-6000 CL36 Memory (858.00kr @ Proshop)
Storage: Samsung 870 Evo 500 GB 2.5" Solid State Drive (Purchased For 0.00kr)
Storage: Samsung 970 Evo Plus 1 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 3.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive (Purchased For 0.00kr)
Video Card: MSI VENTUS 2X OCV1 GeForce RTX 3060 Ti LHR 8 GB Video Card (Purchased For 0.00kr)
Case: NZXT S340 ATX Mid Tower Case (Purchased For 0.00kr)
Power Supply: NZXT C850 (2022) 850 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply (970.00kr @ Proshop)
Monitor: AOC CQ27G2U/BK 27.0" 2560 x 1440 144 Hz Curved Monitor (Purchased For 0.00kr)
Total: 6481.00kr
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2023-07-10 14:18 CEST+0200

BTW, Intel is releasing the 14th gen refresh CPU by the end of this year. you might be interested in them or find that 13th gen has some price cuts...

 

[geofelt]

If I understand correctly, you will be reusing some parts.
That will work and your tentative list of replacements will work.

My only real quibble is with trying liquid cooling when it is not necessary.
A good twin tower air cooler will cool equally well, be simpler to install, be more reliable. and cost half as much.
AIO coolers will fail in time; air intrudes or the pump fails.
Plan on replacing in 5 years.

13th gen works differently.
If you are worried about heat with a 13600K, read this article:

Core i9-13900K Cooling Guide: Testing Intel's Flagship With Budget Air and Big AIOs

The Core i9-13900K can push even the most capable liquid coolers to their limits, but you don’t lose that much performance if you go with budget-priced air cooling.

www.tomshardware.com

In video form:

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dNFgswzTvyc

 

[Avro Arrow]

I wouldn't buy an Intel 13th-gen CPU, especially not in Europe where electricity has become insanely expensive. If I were you, I'd be looking at an R5-7600. I'll explain why:

The i5-13600K's average gaming performance exceeds that of the R5-7600 by 15%:

However, the average power consumption of the i5-13600K exceeds that of the R5-7600 by a colossal 93% (I'm not kidding):

Not only that, the i5-13600K costs 37% more Danske Kroner than the R5-7600:
AMD R5-7600: 1887kr at ProShop (incl. VAT)
Intel i5-13600K: 2578kr at ProShop (incl. VAT)

The R5-7600 has two other advantages, one small and one large. The small advantage is that it comes with an enclosed air cooler. Now, if you want to throw money away on an AIO, that is your right but if you change your mind, the AMD Wraith Spire is more than adequate for the R5-7600.

The large advantage is the fact that the AM5 platform is brand-new and you'll have access to drop-in CPU upgrades in the future, something that isn't true about Intel's LGA 1700 socket. An upgrade to your i5-13600K will require a new motherboard. This will make what you spend on that MSI MAG Z790 Tomahawk WIFI motherboard a complete waste because you'll just have to turf it if you ever want to upgrade.

For the R5-7600, a great choice in that price class would be:
ASRock X670E Pro RS - 2302kr at ProShop (incl. VAT)

The main PCI-Express x16 GPU slot on an X670E motherboard is PCI-Express v5.0, just like the slot on the MSI MAG Z790 Tomahawk WIFI. As you can see, the difference in gaming performance between the R5-7600 and the R7-7700X is less than 6%, hardly worth the extra 40% (764kr) for a gaming system. That's why I recommend the R5-7600. It's a great gaming CPU, sips power, is far less expensive and is on the superior AM5 platform.

You can do what you want, but I believe that choosing the i5-13600K would be a big mistake at this time.

 

[ohio_buckeye]

a bit cheaper 5800X3D option:

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 5800X3D 3.4 GHz 8-Core Processor (2314.00kr @ Proshop)
CPU Cooler: Deepcool AG620 BK ARGB 67.88 CFM CPU Cooler (453.00kr @ Proshop)
Motherboard: Gigabyte B550 AORUS ELITE AX V2 ATX AM4 Motherboard (1301.00kr @ Proshop)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance LPX 32 GB (4 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 CL18 Memory (Purchased For 0.00kr)
Storage: Samsung 870 Evo 500 GB 2.5" Solid State Drive (Purchased For 0.00kr)
Storage: Samsung 970 Evo Plus 1 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 3.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive (Purchased For 0.00kr)
Video Card: MSI VENTUS 2X OCV1 GeForce RTX 3060 Ti LHR 8 GB Video Card (Purchased For 0.00kr)
Case: NZXT S340 ATX Mid Tower Case (Purchased For 0.00kr)
Power Supply: NZXT C850 (2022) 850 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply (970.00kr @ Proshop)
Monitor: AOC CQ27G2U/BK 27.0" 2560 x 1440 144 Hz Curved Monitor (Purchased For 0.00kr)
Total: 5038.00kr
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2023-07-10 14:15 CEST+0200

Alternate case if you want:

https://dk.pcpartpicker.com/product/RY4Ycf/nzxt-h5-flow-atx-mid-tower-case-cc-h51fb-01

https://dk.pcpartpicker.com/product/QnD7YJ/fractal-design-pop-air-atx-mid-tower-case-fd-c-poa1a-02

AM5 option if you want to upgrade your CPU:

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 7700X 4.5 GHz 8-Core Processor (2651.00kr @ Føniks Computer)
CPU Cooler: Deepcool AG620 BK ARGB 67.88 CFM CPU Cooler (453.00kr @ Proshop)
Motherboard: Asus TUF GAMING B650-PLUS WIFI ATX AM5 Motherboard (1549.00kr @ Proshop)
Memory: G.Skill Flare X5 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-6000 CL36 Memory (858.00kr @ Proshop)
Storage: Samsung 870 Evo 500 GB 2.5" Solid State Drive (Purchased For 0.00kr)
Storage: Samsung 970 Evo Plus 1 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 3.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive (Purchased For 0.00kr)
Video Card: MSI VENTUS 2X OCV1 GeForce RTX 3060 Ti LHR 8 GB Video Card (Purchased For 0.00kr)
Case: NZXT S340 ATX Mid Tower Case (Purchased For 0.00kr)
Power Supply: NZXT C850 (2022) 850 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply (970.00kr @ Proshop)
Monitor: AOC CQ27G2U/BK 27.0" 2560 x 1440 144 Hz Curved Monitor (Purchased For 0.00kr)
Total: 6481.00kr
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2023-07-10 14:18 CEST+0200

BTW, Intel is releasing the 14th gen refresh CPU by the end of this year. you might be interested in them or find that 13th gen has some price cuts...

Might be right about that. I’m in the USA so unfortunately the op won’t have this option, but my local microcenter has been advertising an i7 12700k, z690 board and 16gb ram as a combo for a while. I’d guess they’ll have a similar deal on 13th gen parts. I’m still on am4 with a ryzen 5500 that’s doing what I need, but a deal like that on Intel 13th gen could be interesting.