UPGRADING - need help deciding

[terranox]

Current System:
MB: Asrock H67M-GE
CPU: i5 2500
RAM: 2x 4GB DDR3 Kingston HyperX Genesis 1600MHz CL9
GPU: GTX780
SSD: Kingston HyperX 3K 240GB SATA-III
HDD: Seagate 2TB 7200rpm
PSU: Segotep GP900G 800W, 80+ GOLD

what is your major usage of the pc?

It's probably more like 50% productivity and 50% gaming.

Try the ryzen 2600X with x370 mobo. Get 2x8GB of 3000 mhz rams.

I don't want to just try some components - I need something that I can upgrade if needed for the next 6 years. Can't afford to change the MB and CPU every year - maybe one upgrade a year. Your suggestion was good because it did made me look more at Ryzen genearation 2.

In the end I'm kinda undecided between i7 8700 and Ryzen 2700s - no overclocking, because I need stable PC an no time to ticker with it.
If you check http://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i7-8700-vs-AMD-Ryzen-7-2700/3940vs3957 it looks like i7 is the clear winner - but 8 core and 16 threads is sexier and for productivity is ahead mostly, even if not by much.
And CPUs are basicaly the same price.

Then is the MB - the most important component for my upgrade - that needs to have SLI(because I'm gone use only nVidia cards) and 2 slots of M.2 PCI 3.0 4x.
For intel I had to go with MSI Z370 SLI PLUS which has everything specified(theoretically it does, cause the specification aren't crystal clear when it comes to both M.2 slots).
The choices for AMD is AsRock X470 Master Sli, even though Asus Prime X470Pro is clearly better but expensive - and both have only 1 slot for M.2 PCI 3.0 4x.

Then is the memory where i7 seems to only need 2666MHz, while Ryzen needs 3000MHz which is more expensive.
The memories I'm looking at right now are:
G.Skill Aegis 8GB DDR4 3000MHZ CL16 1.35v - 16-18-18-38
HyperX Predator Black 8GB DDR4 2666MHz CL13 1.35v - 13-15-15-32 even though the last timing is not specified on the store page.
HyperX Predator Black 8GB DDR4 3000MHz - even though it's more expensive, the JEDEC timing seem to be the same as the preview model.

So I want to buy between:

CPU: i7 8700 vs Ryzen 2700x
MB:MSI Z370 SLI PLUS vs AsRock X470 Master SLI
RAM: 2xHyperX Predator Black 8GB DDR4 2666MHz CL13 1.35v or?
Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper T4 vs ARCTIC AC Freezer 33
The intel upgrade would cost me 705Euros and the AMD one 729Euros - and with Rzyen 2700 would cost 695Euros.

So what would you chose and why?
Do you have better suggestions?

 

[vapour]

What is your major usage and budget?
X299 is super hot and close to an end, if for productivity work, AMD X399 platform is new and better.

 

[terranox]

What is your major usage and budget?
X299 is super hot and close to an end, if for productivity work, AMD X399 platform is new and better.

my budget is around 600Euros or 750USD.

everything about X399 is way to expensive and the performance doesn't seem that impressive.

 

[vapour]

major usage? What PSU is it? ATX or mATX case?

 

[terranox]

major usage? What PSU is it? ATX or mATX case?

Segotep GP900G 800W, 80 PLUS
ATX Case

 

[vapour]

what is your major usage of the pc?

 

[Lucky_SLS]

Try the ryzen 2600X with x370 mobo. Get 2x8GB of 3000 mhz rams.

 

[Dragos Manea]

The question is, do you will ever need 10-12-18 cores? If yes then go for 2066 or threadripper, if not then 1151v2.

 

[terranox]

edited the main post

 

[Lucky_SLS]

The stock xfr boost is higher than thanks the all core oc in ryzen 2. So the 2600X/2700X is more than enough with a X370 mobo for 4.25ghz boost.


An suppose if you are not gonna overclock, u can go with the 8700 with a B360 mobo. The turbo boost of 8700 is higher-end than ryzen and will give you more fps.

If you want 144hz gaming, then I would strongly recommend the 8600k / z370 combo for achieving 120+fps. If you are OK instead with a monitor like the LG ump69 ultrawide 75hz, the 2600X or the 8700 would do.

Since it's a freesync panel, a Vega 56 with a 650w gold psu is what I would recommend and you wouldn't have to to change the gpu for 3 years min.

I known thats the Vega 56 is a bit costly than say an rx580, but that's were the lower priced 2600X and a gen old X370 board comes into play. They are more than enough for 75hz on that LG ump69

So the ryzen 2600X, Vega 56 and the LG 34um69 would last you 3-4 years before replacing the gpu mostly.

 

[terranox]

The stock xfr boost is higher than thanks the all core oc in ryzen 2. So the 2600X/2700X is more than enough with a X370 mobo for 4.25ghz boost.


An suppose if you are not gonna overclock, u can go with the 8700 with a B360 mobo. The turbo boost of 8700 is higher-end than ryzen and will give you more fps.

If you want 144hz gaming, then I would strongly recommend the 8600k / z370 combo for achieving 120+fps. If you are OK instead with a monitor like the LG ump69 ultrawide 75hz, the 2600X or the 8700 would do.

Since it's a freesync panel, a Vega 56 with a 650w gold psu is what I would recommend and you wouldn't have to to change the gpu for 3 years min.

I known thats the Vega 56 is a bit costly than say an rx580, but that's were the lower priced 2600X and a gen old X370 board comes into play. They are more than enough for 75hz on that LG ump69

So the ryzen 2600X, Vega 56 and the LG 34um69 would last you 3-4 years before replacing the gpu mostly.

The x370 boards that have everything that I've specified cost almost as much as x470 board, why wouldn't I just buy a x470 board?

Not going to buy a videocard atm and Vega56 is way more expensive then a gtx 1070. But I'm going to check out some reviews for Vega56.

I have 2 displays at 1080p@75Hz with 2ms respone time that I'm not going to replace any time soon(will have to see how fordable OLED is going to be before I change them).

Also, what do you think of the components I've specified?

 

[Lucky_SLS]

The 2700X is a good choice for 75hz. Will help a lot in productivity too.

The asrock X470 would do. Have a 1 nvme for ur os and productivity and a sata ssd for the games.

Or u even have to the store mi option with the X470 drives which can be really useful.

Regarding rams, u can overclock the hyper x to 3200 and above at cas 17. Go for the cas 13 2666 model and oc to 3200/3300 at cas 16/17

 

[terranox]

The 2700X is a good choice for 75hz. Will help a lot in productivity too.

The asrock X470 would do. Have a 1 nvme for ur os and productivity and a sata ssd for the games.

Or u even have to the store mi option with the X470 drives which can be really useful.

Regarding rams, u can overclock the hyper x to 3200 and above at cas 17. Go for the cas 13 2666 model and oc to 3200/3300 at cas 16/17

StoreMI - found something new to check every time from you.

For some reason I have some reservations on buying AMD... Really like both systems I've chosen, really wish I could test them before buying...
Do you think there will be any price drops for any of this products if I wait a month?

Thanks for your time.

 

[Lucky_SLS]

Regarding ur reservations about AMD, YouTube and other tech sites have a lot of benchmarks for various softwares. So check out the comparison for the softwares you use and decide.

In about a month, only the mainstream B450 boards from AMD would be releasing. B450 boards were shown in CES 2018. So you would be having cheaper mobo options. But I am not sure whether u will get the storeMI with the budget B450.

Maybe you can expect a 20 bucks price drop since the threadripper is announced, but the launch is at q3 of this year. So maybe 2 months.

Also, regarding M. 2 u have to see the mobo spec how these pcie lanes are shared. For gaming, it doesn't matter if the x16 is shared with a x4 nvme cuz the bandwidth is enough. But I am not so sure about your productivity tasks.

And iirc u don't need sli or the productivity software doesn't use the sli mode to utilize 2 NV cards. That's y u see ppl using 2 1060 even though sli is only supported for 1070 and above. Correct me if I am wrong here.

Right now you have a gtx 780 which is still good for 1080p 75hz gaming. I know that if the card is in sli, for gaming atleast, u still have 3gb vram but the Cuda resources of 2 cards. Check out out if that's the case with your software.

Also do a research about which gpu you require and weather you really need sli or dual card setup.