Upgrading old CPU.

[crazzyz]

Upgrading from q6600/old mobo to some cheap mobo/ cpu to handle 64 man servers on bf4 multiplayer on low/med, 60 fps. Q6600 is Oc'd 2.71 and i handle the 32 servers with allot of drops to 40-45 fps.

Among a gtx 650 1gb gddr5 and 4 gb ram.

Would i3 540 or 530 be a decent upgrade for this ? Or maybe amd II x4 740 is it ? Any of these viable as an upgrade for my low end system ?

 

[Chicano]

You have a Core 2 Duo on a Socket 775 motherboard... you can't upgrade it to just any CPU like a 1156 socket Intel or an AMD... For a Intel i3 540 or 530 CPU (1st gen i Core Intel) you would need a 1156 socket motherboard... for a AMD Athlon II X4 you need a AM3+ board, for a AMD X4 740 Quad Core you need a FM2+ board. And only with the i3 you would see a substantial improvement. BUT as long as you are upgrading better go all the way to a 4th generation Intel i3, Haswell upgrade.

 

[crazzyz]

You have a Core 2 Duo on a Socket 775 motherboard... you can't upgrade it to just any CPU like a 1156 socket Intel or an AMD... For a Intel i3 540 or 530 CPU (1st gen i Core Intel) you would need a 1156 socket motherboard... for a AMD Athlon II X4 you need a AM3+ board, for a AMD X4 740 Quad Core you need a FM2+ board. And only with the i3 you would see a substantial improvement. BUT as long as you are upgrading better go all the way to a 4th generation Intel i3, Haswell upgrade.

I kinda mentioned that i'm buying a new mobo. I definitely know what socket to search for for what CPU, thanks on your answer anyway, i'l be considering the i3.

 

[Chicano]

Yeah.. sorry I missed that part... but deffinitely go for a 4th generation i3. You won't get much of an improvement from a Core 2 Duo with a 1st gen Intel i Core. You can find very cheap 4th gen 1150 socket mobos, so there is no point in getting 1156 socket intel components.

 

[crazzyz]

Yeah.. sorry I missed that part... but deffinitely go for a 4th generation i3. You won't get much of an improvement from a Core 2 Duo with a 1st gen Intel i Core. You can find very cheap 4th gen 1150 socket mobos, so there is no point in getting 1156 socket intel components.

Ah my man i'm in Macedonia where the prices are by far different. than what u think. Eitherway i'm right now searching for socket 1150 motherboards and i also found a 3rd generation i3, the 3220 one i think ? Won't that be a decent upgrade for real ? And i know you didnt mistaken that last one CORE 2 QUAD bro i know u meant to say core 2 quad .

 

[Chicano]

Yes, a third generation Ivy Bridge i3 system can be asubstantial improvement.

Sorry but you lost me there on the Core 2 Quad bit.... quote the exact answer on the part where I said that. If you Meant that a Core 2 can't be 4 cores? that's wrong.... they can be.

Intel Core 2's were made in 1, 2 and 4 core models
Core 2 Solo, Core 2 Duo and Core 2 Quad.

 

[crazzyz]

Yes, a third generation Ivy Bridge i3 system can be asubstantial improvement.

Sorry but you lost me there on the Core 2 Quad bit.... quote the exact answer on the part where I said that. If you Meant that a Core 2 can't be 4 cores? that's wrong.... they can be.

Intel Core 2's were made in 1, 2 and 4 core models

I tought we'r talking about my core 2 quad q6600 as u said upgrading from a core 2 duo right here...

You won't get much of an improvement from a Core 2 Duo with a 1st gen Intel i Core

So you say 1st gen icores won't get me an improvement on the oc'd q6600, 3rd and 4th will do, but i still wonder about the amd x4 II 740 bro, i think its new tech. its got 0.5 more ghz per core. It must improve it allot. Also the cheapest NEW cpu ive found from a store here is an amd AMD A6-Series X4 6400K 3.90GHz. Here don't u think atleast the 3.9 ghz would be a decent upgrade ? Sorry im kinda a noob still, learning tho.

 

[Chicano]

Oh that... I just wasn't paying attention and typed Core 2 Duo.

Following are those CPUs you have mentioned... The last number is the benchmark result... as you can see your Q6600 is only surpassed by the AMD Athlon X4 740 Quad Core, and only by about 31% faster... and as your Q6600 is overclocked that difference goes down even further.

And the clock speed in ghz makes little difference when you compare new with old CPUs... more important are other specs like number of cores and number of die transistors which keep increasing as technology advances. For example you could compare a Athlon AM1 5350 which at 2.05Ghz would be faster than a Core i3 530 at 2.93Ghz... so the speed is just one of different factors to consider.

As you can see next, the FM2 Athlon x4 740 Quad Core would be the best pick so far. And though numbers only favor it by 31%, it would perform much better due to those other factors I mentioned.

AMD A6-6400K APU 2379
Intel Core i3 530 @ 2.93GHz 2590
Intel Core i3 540 @ 3.07GHz 2689
Intel Core2 Quad Q6600 @ 2.40GHz 2989
AMD Athlon X4 740 Quad Core 3921

AMD AM1 Athlon 5350 APU 2.05GHz 2614
Intel Core i3 530 @ 2.93GHz 2590

 

[crazzyz]

Oh that... I just wasn't paying attention and typed Core 2 Duo.

Following are those CPUs you have mentioned... The last number is the benchmark result... as you can see your Q6600 is only surpassed by the AMD Athlon X4 740 Quad Core, and only by about 31% faster... and as your Q6600 is overclocked that difference goes down even further.

And the clock speed in ghz makes little difference when you compare new with old CPUs... more important are other specs like number of cores and number of die transistors which keep increasing as technology advances. For example you could compare a Athlon AM1 5350 which at 2.05Ghz would be faster than a Core i3 530 at 2.93Ghz... so the speed is just one of different factors to consider.

As you can see next, the FM2 Athlon x4 740 Quad Core would be the best pick so far. And though numbers only favor it by 31%, it would perform much better due to those other factors I mentioned.

AMD A6-6400K APU 2379
Intel Core i3 530 @ 2.93GHz 2590
Intel Core i3 540 @ 3.07GHz 2689
Intel Core2 Quad Q6600 @ 2.40GHz 2989
AMD Athlon X4 740 Quad Core 3921

AMD AM1 Athlon 5350 APU 2.05GHz 2614
Intel Core i3 530 @ 2.93GHz 2590

Alright 31 % is decent as it is exactly 70 euros in my town this same cpu new from the cheapest store. Any new gen i3 would be that price used probably and this one will be fully new like that. Also i would not count my q6600 that stable, as sometimes in bf3 or bf4 it just stutters till it gets stabilized, thats like 1 min, after that it sits on 60 fps, weird but it does happen rarely tho. Yet that doesnt prove shit that cpu is still with the OC let's say at about 25 % better than mine ? Still enough i bet for the 64 man servers, atleast i hope. Also the i3 3220 is 100 euros new but if i may find it 70 euros used that would be good the price for a new 740. Also i hope il find some 30 euro cheap mobo for either of these, as they come to be the 2 choises. And i hope 25% gives me some decent performance upgrade man All in all, i want to spend 100 euros and keep both parts fresh and new If i go with the 740 i'd get both parts new. Else maybe mobo new but the i3 used, still worth right ?

 

[Chicano]

Well, that would depend on the type of use the previous owner subjected the i3 to... used is always a gamble. But as I said, the 740 is the best choice "so far"!... because a Intel Pentium G3258 @ 3.20GHz (4012 on the benchmark) $67.99 USC.. is even better if you can find it in your country. And you can get the corresponding socket 1150 motherboard at cheap prices.

Here are the specifications. 0
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819117374

1150 motherboards. Select the chipset you want... for overclocking select Z chipsets.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=100007627 600438202&IsNodeId=1&bop=And&Order=PRICE&PageSize=30

And if AMD CPUs are more available than Intel in your country, practically any from the FX-4000 series according to the passmark benchmarks, would measure up to the G3258

http://www.cpu-upgrade.com/CPUs/AMD/FX-Series/

AMD FX-670K Quad-Core 4639
AMD FX-4100 Quad-Core 4042
AMD FX-4130 Quad-Core 4190
AMD FX-4150 Quad-Core 4628
AMD FX-4170 Quad-Core 4802
AMD FX-4200 Quad-Core 4454
AMD FX-4300 Quad-Core 4702
AMD FX-4350 Quad-Core 5268

 

[crazzyz]

Well, that would depend on the type of use the previous owner subjected the i3 to... used is always a gamble. But as I said, the 740 is the best choice "so far"!... because a Intel Pentium G3258 @ 3.20GHz (4012 on the benchmark) $67.99 USC.. is even better if you can find it in your country. And you can get the corresponding socket 1150 motherboard at cheap prices.

Here are the specifications. 0
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819117374

1150 motherboards. Select the chipset you want... for overclocking select Z chipsets.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=100007627 600438202&IsNodeId=1&bop=And&Order=PRICE&PageSize=30

And if AMD CPUs are more available than Intel in your country, practically any from the FX-4000 series according to the passmark benchmarks, would measure up to the G3258

http://www.cpu-upgrade.com/CPUs/AMD/FX-Series/

AMD FX-670K Quad-Core 4639
AMD FX-4100 Quad-Core 4042
AMD FX-4130 Quad-Core 4190
AMD FX-4150 Quad-Core 4628
AMD FX-4170 Quad-Core 4802
AMD FX-4200 Quad-Core 4454
AMD FX-4300 Quad-Core 4702
AMD FX-4350 Quad-Core 5268

Can u link me to the passmark benchmarks ? Ty for the help but g3258 is not available in my country at all. Only the g3220. Still for it as a new cpu with a decent price the 740 is the most viable option it seems, plus the g3220 is around 65 bucks i'd say. From the fx series only the hexacore and 8 core one which as i told you are more expensive and im looking for a cheaper solution. Telling u prices not too right here, always like 20-30 euros more expensive. Also the g intels dont have 4 threads atleast only 2 by 2 cores they've got aren't we searching for a quadie for the 64 servers bro ? Cus thats what i wanna hit. A 60 fps nondroping 60 man server even on low. You know tho sofar 32 has been decently stable with drops to 40 fps on intense shit, i can say rarely but its a pain in the butt when it happens.
Also what if i just buy an amd card to replace my gtx 650 with and use mantle with ? I heard mantle could help allot on old cpu's so wouldnt mantle help me allot if i get lets say a r7 250,which would perform similar to my card since bf4 is amd optimized. Thanks on yo answers !

 

[Chicano]

This page has all the benchmarked CPUs and each line links you to detailed information on each CPU. Check among the FM2+ CPUs (Athlons X4) there are a couple of them with even better specs than the 740 (750k, 760k, 860k) and they had the same or a lower original price... If you can find any of them get it. You can also find Video Card benchmarks to help you compare cards and make a good election... for example the GTX 650 is way better compared to the R7 250... so, switching to that card would not be a good idea. Mantle would help but not with the R7 250.

http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu_list.php
http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=AMD+Athlon+X4+860K+Quad+Core&id=2362
The reason I suggested the G3258 is because of it's performance which may be even better than some AMD quads.

 

[crazzyz]

This page has all the benchmarked CPUs and each line links you to detailed information on each CPU. Check among the FM2+ CPUs (Athlons X4) there are a couple of them with even better specs than the 740 (750k, 760k, 860k) and they had the same or a lower original price... If you can find any of them get it. You can also find Video Card benchmarks to help you compare cards and make a good election... for example the GTX 650 is way better compared to the R7 250... so, switching to that card would not be a good idea. Mantle would help but not with the R7 250.

http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu_list.php
http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=AMD+Athlon+X4+860K+Quad+Core&id=2362
The reason I suggested the G3258 is because of it's performance which may be even better than some AMD quads.

Thanks allot on your help, currently i'm not gonna buy anything just to be able to play some bf4, not worth for me at all. Plus i've got bf3 working awesome, so it's enough. Thanks allot on your answers tho, appreciate it. Will get a new monitor tho