[SOLVED] Upgrading PC from Intel CPU to AMD Ryzen 9 5900X for 3D programs

[m.kolp]

Hello!
I want to upgrade my CPU with the sole purpose to enhance simulation/animation/viewport speed in 3ds Max.
Currently the job is done by this one: Intel Core i7-7700K 4,20GHz Boxed CPU
Want to replace it with AMD Ryzen 9 5900X . Just waiting for the price to drop a little more.
As far as i gathered info, it wont fit in my current socket: Asus Z170-A Mainboard Socket 1151 (ATX, Intel Z170, 4x DDR4-Memory, USB 3.1, M.2 )...

So my question is: Which MB would you recommend that fits with the rest of my specs? Also it should have room for another GPU, for rendering purposes. Not sure, if i can mix 2 different GPUs... in any case the MB should be compatible with RTX 3000 series.
My budget for it is between 100-200$...

Hope i could explain this clear enough and didnt talk to much nonsense. Not much experienced with PC Hardware so correct me if im wrong.
Thank you in advance and best regards!

My specs:
Corsair RMx (2018) 650 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply

Asus Z170-A Mainboard Socket 1151 (ATX, Intel Z170, 4x DDR4-Memory, USB 3.1, M.2 )

Intel Core i7-7700K 4,20GHz Boxed CPU

Noctua NH-D9L, Premium CPU Cooler mit NF-A9 92mm

Asus Turbo GeForce GTX1070-8G Gaming GPU (Nvidia, PCIe 3.0, 8GB DDR5x Memory, HDMI, DVI, DisplayPort)

Crucial Ballistix Sport LT BLS2K8G4D240FSB Desktop Gaming Memory Kit (2400 MHz, DDR4, DRAM, 16GB (8GB x4), CL16)

Samsung 960 EVO MZ-V6E250BW Intern Solid State Drive (250GB)

Samsung S22D300H 54,61 cm (22 Zoll) PC-Monitor (VGA, HDMI, 5ms, 1920 x 1080 Pixel)

 

[m.kolp]

Yes, X570 has 2 or more x16 slots. Typically 3. PCIe 4.0 8x/8x or PCIe 3.0 8x/8x, pretty sure if you install a 3.0 card in there, it drops both slots to 3.0, though I am not sure on that one. Third slot would also be PCIe 4.0, but through the chipset rather than the CPU.

Yes, if you added in the 2400Mhz memory you would have to run all the memory at 2400Mhz.

I see. But let me ask this way: Can i add 3 RTX 3090 cards onto this Mobo?

 

[USAFRet]

I see. But let me ask this way: Can i add 3 RTX 3090 cards onto this Mobo?

Why 3?
What software do you use, that can take advantage of them?

 

[Eximo]

Three is a bit much to power under normal circumstances, also they tend to be triple slot cards, so there would only be room in full ATX towers with 11 expansion slots.

It would not be ideal, no. That third slot is not intended for graphics cards.

If you were mining or something, not the right way to go about it.

 

[m.kolp]

Why 3?
What software do you use, that can take advantage of them?

3D program 3ds Max and the Arnold render engine, which GPU rendering is optimized for the RTX series. Adiditonally to render time reduction, i wonder if the GPU RAM would add up with 2x 3090 plugged on the MB. Or doesnt that work that way?

 

[m.kolp]

Three is a bit much to power under normal circumstances, also they tend to be triple slot cards, so there would only be room in full ATX towers with 11 expansion slots.

It would not be ideal, no. That third slot is not intended for graphics cards.

If you were mining or something, not the right way to go about it.

But 2x 3090 cards would be fine, right? Those 2 cards would be just an example, want to know where the limits are. Also whats "mining"?

 

[USAFRet]

3D program 3ds Max and the Arnold render engine, which GPU rendering is optimized for the RTX series. Adiditonally to render time reduction, i wonder if the GPU RAM would add up with 2x 3090 plugged on the MB. Or doesnt that work that way?

Unless your software specifically says more than 1 GPU works better, it does not.

Specifically, for 3DSMax
https://knowledge.autodesk.com/supp...nces-between-GPU-and-CPU-based-rendering.html

Yes, the GPU is absolutely better that CPU rendering.
But nothing about multiple GPUs.

And in the Certified GPU listing, again, nothing about multiples.
https://download.autodesk.com/us/support/3dsMax/HW_Cert/2021/3dsmax_2022_gfx_results_07_may_2021.pdf

 

[m.kolp]

Unless your software specifically says more than 1 GPU works better, it does not.

Specifically, for 3DSMax
https://knowledge.autodesk.com/supp...nces-between-GPU-and-CPU-based-rendering.html

Yes, the GPU is absolutely better that CPU rendering.
But nothing about multiple GPUs.

And in the Certified GPU listing, again, nothing about multiples.
https://download.autodesk.com/us/support/3dsMax/HW_Cert/2021/3dsmax_2022_gfx_results_07_may_2021.pdf

It doesnt linearly scale up render performance, but there are advantages. It behaves similar to V-Ray Benchmark.
What i couldnt find out at the Arnold forums is, if the GPU RAM will add up with multiples.

 

[USAFRet]

It doesnt linearly scale up render performance, but there are advantages. It behaves similar to V-Ray Benchmark.
What i couldnt find out at the Arnold forums is, if the GPU RAM will add up with multiples.

OK then.

I probably would stop at two.
Especially considering the motherboard and power requirements.

 

[m.kolp]

OK then.

I probably would stop at two.
Especially considering the motherboard and power requirements.

Alright

 

[m.kolp]

Bought the CPU and wanted to get the rest of your suggestions, but somehow cant have it delivered from Amazon USA to Germany.
You guys can help me find the compatible mainboard without features? Found these so far and cant tell the difference:
ASUS TUF Gaming X570-Plus
MSI Mpg X570 Gaming Edge
MSI MPG X570 GAMING PLUS
ASUS Prime X570-P Mainboard
X570 search filter

 

[egda23]

Bought the CPU and wanted to get the rest of your suggestions, but somehow cant have it delivered from Amazon USA to Germany.
You guys can help me find the compatible mainboard without features? Found these so far and cant tell the difference:
ASUS TUF Gaming X570-Plus
MSI Mpg X570 Gaming Edge
MSI MPG X570 GAMING PLUS
ASUS Prime X570-P Mainboard
X570 search filter

Have you looked on alternate.de ?

 

[m.kolp]

Have you looked on alternate.de ?

Yes, found this
https://www.alternate.de/AORUS/X570-AORUS-ELITE-Mainboard/html/product/1555224

Is that the same MB from the first page?
Gigabyte X570 AORUS ELITE WIFI ATX AM4 Motherboard

 

[egda23]

Yes, found this
https://www.alternate.de/AORUS/X570-AORUS-ELITE-Mainboard/html/product/1555224

Is that the same MB from the first page?
Gigabyte X570 AORUS ELITE WIFI ATX AM4 Motherboard

The difference between the2, is the integrated WiFi. For the rest, they are identical

 

[m.kolp]

How about the other MBs i posted from Amazon? Wondering about the price differences...
Can i get this one without any issues? Is it also the same?
MSI X570-A PRO AMD AM4 DDR4 m.2 USB 3.2 Gen 2 HDMI ATX Motherboard

Also comparing product details, i found this feature? missing in other articles:
Storage capacity: 1000 TB
from this MB again Gigabyte X570 AORUS ELITE WIFI ATX AM4 Motherboard
Is it important for better performance?

 

[Eximo]

I don't see anything wrong with the MSI board.

Not sure what 1000TB means, if there is such a limit on the board, no one has exceeded 8TB for consumer SSDs yet, and can't think of a reason an individual would need that much storage. (Well, one exception, but I don't think you are going to run around with ultra high speed cameras)

 

[m.kolp]

Must be then a typing error i guess.
Can you tell me why there are such differences in the pricing of MBs without features? Found the same one MSI X570-A PRO AMD AM4 DDR4 m.2 USB 3.2 Gen 2 HDMI ATX Motherboard from another producer, i think it was Gigabyte, which costs about 200$...

 

[helper800]

I don't see anything wrong with the MSI board.

The VRMs are not good, its a hard pass in my opinion.
Despite its lone 2 bad reviews on newegg I assure you that this motherboard is, for its cost, extremely good.

 

[Eximo]

8+2 is a little weak, yes. Quite a few models with that arrangement from MSI.

 

[Eximo]

Bill of materials is different from each board, part selection, PCB design work, configuring the part placement. Robust VRMs require more expensive chips, you can have fancier chokes. Smaller boards are more dense, or boards with more features are more dense and require many layers of circuitry. Each part you add to a board means traces and connections to other chips and added components. The more unique the component the greater the cost. Part placement machines actually drive a lot of motherboard design. If you can get away with one VRM and Choke type on a whole board, that is more cost effective than two or three cheaper parts, since the machine takes less time to place the parts on the board, and less down time to switch out parts rolls.

If you mean the feature list between various products being similar but the prices different, that would be up to them. Sometimes prices are lowered to compete, sometimes they are kept high for a smaller amount of sales. (Sometimes people see value in price, which is why independent reviews are important)

 

[m.kolp]

Im anything but familiar with PC hardware terms.
Grateful you describing this so detailed though! Thank you

But still not sure which board to buy... Let me put it this way: I want a MB, on which i can plug 2 (at least?) GPUs, which the CPU is compatible and wont cap performance even when overclocking, no features, enough SSD and HDD drives and costs under 200€. Dont care if its an X570 or B550 (What is even the difference?).

What do you suggest, i´ll buy it!

 

[helper800]

But still not sure which board to buy... Let me put it this way: I want a MB, on which i can plug 2 (at least?) GPUs, which the CPU is compatible and wont cap performance even when overclocking, no features, enough SSD and HDD drives and costs under 200€. Dont care if its an X570 or B550 (What is even the difference?).

So the difference between a B550 motherboard and an x570 motherboard is the motherboard chipset. This controls a number of features that the board comes with. Most of these features relate to a technical specification called the PCIe version. The higher the version number the higher the bandwidth or talking speed between a connected devise and a CPU. The TLDR is that the vast majority of people do not need or should be concerned with PCIe 4.0 vs PCIe 3.0 because the hardware devices, excluding storage devices, do not really benefit from the upgrade.

VRM stands for Voltage Regulation Module, PCB stands for Plastic Circuit Board, and "mining" refers to the process of using a piece of hardware (usually a graphics card) to solve an arbitrarily hard algorithm to get a crypto currency (bitcoin for example).

VRMs on the motherboard are important because they regulate the power that the CPU is asking for. "Better" VRMs typically run cooler and deliver more power at a higher efficiency to the CPU.
A PCB is that stereotypical green part (can be any color) of the motherboard that all the parts are attached to.
Mining is complicated, so I will just leave this link for more information.