Upgrading to 1440p from 1080p

[daninozz]

Hi all, 

So Ive been gaming for years and have always gamed at 1080p @ 60hz. My build is quite old 7 years old to be exact,  I have recently upgraded my GPU to a 1070.

My current rig is listed below. 

Mobo : Z68XP-UD3

CPU : i7 2600 non K

GPU : 1070 GTX G1 Gaming

Memory : Ripjaws G.Skill 16GB DDR3 @ 2133mhz

PSU : Corsair TX850

I'm looking to upgrade to a 1440p @ 144hz, now from the benchmarks Ive seen on YouTube I'm only seeing around 70-80 fps.

My question is at 1440p and only getting max of 70-80 fps is it a waste of money getting a monitor like that because I can't get 144fps? 

Also to note how would my CPU handle a bigger resolution would I need to upgrade to say something on the Ryzen line up? 


Cheers

 

[QwerkyPengwen]

Your cpu is definitely going to hold you back since it's non k. And also, I think the biggest question is to ask do you really need to run, view and play games at 144hz or anything higher than 60? Because if you don't need to then don't. Think of it this way, if your system will run games at 1440p with an average 80fps ( not knowing what quality settings we are associating these numbers with but assuming very high ) then maybe continuining to play at 60fps isn't so bad as it'll allow you to play with higher graphic settings. And then as for upgrading Ryzen is the best option for price to performance. Especially if you are going to be streaming and what not. Plus a 1440p 60hz monitor will cost you less money.

I recommend this monitor if that is something you decide to do.
It has nice specs and a proper quality IPS panel for a good price
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/D7hj4D/acer-monitor-umkg7aa002

 

[clonazepam]

It is worth it. You're still benefitting. You could hit the 144 fps in most titles by adjusting settings.

As you increase resolution, more of the load shifts onto your GPU. That's why in 4K benchmarks of games, you can still see i5-750s from 2009 still churning out very playable results.

I'd look for good sales. There's a Dell at 2560x1440, 144Hz with g-sync that regularly goes for $500, and then consider a future upgrade where you're replacing CPU, motherboard, and RAM, then perhaps the next cycle after that is GPU. 4K won't be big til 2019 or 2020, as of right now its still very <1%.

 

[Carlos Enrique]

Hi all, 

So Ive been gaming for years and have always gamed at 1080p @ 60hz. My build is quite old 7 years old to be exact,  I have recently upgraded my GPU to a 1070.

My current rig is listed below. 

Mobo : Z68XP-UD3

CPU : i7 2600 non K

GPU : 1070 GTX G1 Gaming

Memory : Ripjaws G.Skill 16GB DDR3 @ 2133mhz

PSU : Corsair TX850

I'm looking to upgrade to a 1440p @ 144hz, now from the benchmarks Ive seen on YouTube I'm only seeing around 70-80 fps.

My question is at 1440p and only getting max of 70-80 fps is it a waste of money getting a monitor like that because I can't get 144fps? 

Also to note how would my CPU handle a bigger resolution would I need to upgrade to say something on the Ryzen line up? 


Cheers

First: your cpu is a bottleneck for your 1070 gtx
Second: the fps you get will depend (also) on the game you are playing.
Third: new monitor can handle more fps, but they also give you nicer graphics, and, depending on your taste, that could be a good investment or an awful waste of money.
Fourth: if i was you, i would give more priority in getting a better cpu, then a new monitor, a finally, a btter gpu. 1070 gtx is nice, but my games and tastes for graphics demand more gpu power.

 

[clonazepam]

Hi all, 

So Ive been gaming for years and have always gamed at 1080p @ 60hz. My build is quite old 7 years old to be exact,  I have recently upgraded my GPU to a 1070.

My current rig is listed below. 

Mobo : Z68XP-UD3

CPU : i7 2600 non K

GPU : 1070 GTX G1 Gaming

Memory : Ripjaws G.Skill 16GB DDR3 @ 2133mhz

PSU : Corsair TX850

I'm looking to upgrade to a 1440p @ 144hz, now from the benchmarks Ive seen on YouTube I'm only seeing around 70-80 fps.

My question is at 1440p and only getting max of 70-80 fps is it a waste of money getting a monitor like that because I can't get 144fps? 

Also to note how would my CPU handle a bigger resolution would I need to upgrade to say something on the Ryzen line up? 


Cheers

First: your cpu is a bottleneck for your 1070 gtx
Second: the fps you get will depend (also) on the game you are playing.
Third: new monitor can handle more fps, but they also give you nicer graphics, and, depending on your taste, that could be a good investment or an awful waste of money.
Fourth: if i was you, i would give more priority in getting a better cpu, then a new monitor, a finally, a btter gpu. 1070 gtx is nice, but my games and tastes for graphics demand more gpu power.

That's the tricky part. He can't just get a new CPU. He has to invest in a new CPU, new motherboard, new RAM, that will be more than a single monitor purchase. If he upgrades the system, he is then with a system that's totally overpowered for 1080P. I say we're both right. He has to decide his path over the next couple upgrades probably. He'll still want a new monitor regardless, so good sales might make the diff.

Edit: I also am biased toward higher refresh / higher framerate. It's incredibly immersive to me.

 

[daninozz]

Thanks for all your replies lots to consider what's extremely frustrating is everyone says different things.

I guess the only thing Ive got left to ask is if I go the 144hz monitor and only getting average of 80 fps will I get ghosting or stuttering?

It's not such a big deal if I don't get 144fps as I can always upgrade GPU and CPU in the future.

I'm looking to upgrade my PC in the next 6 months.

CPU : Ryzen 1700

Mobo : Asus B350 Gaming 3

Case : Thermaltake view 31 RGB

RAM : Corsair Vengeance DDR4 16GB

 

[clonazepam]

What games do you typically play? There a specific type or developer that you gravitate toward most?

With the g-sync monitors, if your fps is 80, so is your refresh rate. The idea is you hit 144 fps from settings, or just grow into it with the next purchase down the line, but you have that flexibility to choose.

 

[daninozz]

Mainly fps like cod battlefield 1 etc

I'm just gonna buy a 144hz monitor and go from there I'm sure it would be fine, people have told me my 1070 will bottleneck then others say the opposite. So yeh just interesting to hear what people think

 

[daninozz]

So after all the research Ive done I'm going to be sticking with 1080p and just going to a higher refresh rate.

 

[_dawn_chorus_]

So after all the research Ive done I'm going to be sticking with 1080p and just going to a higher refresh rate.

I've been going through all the exact same hoops as you, and am looking for the same now. 1080p with higher refresh rate. I have a 1060 6gb so I'll even be a bit behind you; but from videos I've seen and what I've read you should be able to pull closer to a 100fps on some AAA titles with High settings.

Have you narrowed it down to any particular monitor? I have been having a hell of a time deciding myself.
Not a lot to offer in the 1080p 60+hz realm it seems.


UPDATE: I just overclocked my monitor to 74 fps and turned off v-sync. I am getting a steady 100 to 120 fps in Dying Light with all settings maxed out including view distance, 80-95 in the Witcher 3 high settings, and Dishonored 2 was about 70-80 but had significant screen tearing. Granted I am only seeing the 74fps with the monitor bottleneck I'd say this justifies me getting a 144hz monitor, and tells you your card should REALLY make good use of it.

 

[daninozz]

Yeh I have I'm going to purchase this one.

https://www.pccasegear.com/products/36324/benq-zowie-xl2730-27in-144hz-led-gaming-monitor

My mate told me you could always buy 1440 monitor and downscale it down to 1080p if your not getting enough FPS.

Mind you though Ive done heaps of research on the AAA titles GTA 5 Overwatch The Witcher Wild Hunt and I gotta say I'm still able to pull at least 60 FPS. On high detail.

Battlefield 1 results

97 FPS 1080p Ultra detail

83 FPS 1440p Ultra detail.

The witcher 3 wild hunt results are

79 fps on 1080p Ultra detail.

60 fps on 1440p Ultra detail.

GTA 5

Ultra detail at 1080p 78 FPS

Ultra detail at 1440p 70 FPS

Overwatch results

1080p at ultra detail 120 FPS

1440p at ultra detail 107 FPS

These are just some games Ive looked at benchmarks for.

Honestly if I we're you I would just buy the 1440p monitor and downscale to 1080p like I might have to do.

 

[clonazepam]

So after all the research Ive done I'm going to be sticking with 1080p and just going to a higher refresh rate.

I've been going through all the exact same hoops as you, and am looking for the same now. 1080p with higher refresh rate. I have a 1060 6gb so I'll even be a bit behind you; but from videos I've seen and what I've read you should be able to pull closer to a 100fps on some AAA titles with High settings.

Have you narrowed it down to any particular monitor? I have been having a hell of a time deciding myself.
Not a lot to offer in the 1080p 60+hz realm it seems.

If I were in the market for a 1080P monitor at 144Hz, I'd just pick up an Acer or Asus one for like $250-$300. It wouldn't have gsync or freesync, and it would connect with a DVI-D connector. For obvious reasons, once you factor in gsync or even just using a display port connector, the price essentially doubles. Then you're within a frog's hair of the price of the 2560x1440 ones, so those start looking more attractive.

 

[_dawn_chorus_]

Honestly if I we're you I would just buy the 1440p monitor and downscale to 1080p like I might have to do.

Does that work? I thought I read that for some reason it doesn't work well. Something to do with the scaling and shared pixels I think.

 

[_dawn_chorus_]

If I were in the market for a 1080P monitor at 144Hz, I'd just pick up an Acer or Asus one for like $250-$300. It wouldn't have gsync or freesync, and it would connect with a DVI-D connector. For obvious reasons, once you factor in gsync or even just using a display port connector, the price essentially doubles. Then you're within a frog's hair of the price of the 2560x1440 ones, so those start looking more attractive.

That's good advice, but from the screenshots I have seen my music production software's hundreds of buttons would just look way too tiny. I don't think there is a way to remedy that like with desktop icons.
Plus I would prefer higher fps over higher resolution, and with my GPU it's definitely one or the other as I understand it.

Is G-sync really necessary? (Nvidia card) It just locks the frames to a target correct? So does a more erratic frame rate look worse I'm guessing? Would you advise then to settle for a steady 60fps over a fluxuating 70-100?
I was curious why Dishonored 2 had so much tearing but the W3 and Dying Light seemed fine. Is that my GPUs shortcoming, or my monitors, or the games optimization? Or all?

 

[daninozz]

When I say downscale to 1080p on a 1440p monitor I'm saying that only for gaming, general desktop use I would switch to 1440p.

As for G-Sync being really necessary absolutely it is. The way it works is when you use V-Sync your locked at a frame rate generally being 60 FPS, but the problem with V-Sync is that if it drops for whatever reason below 60 FPS you get stuttering freezing etc.

The reason why G-Sync and FreeSync technology is popular among gamers is because they still do what V-Sync does but instead when the frame rate drops you don't get any stuttering or freezing.

At the end of the day when your gaming there is nothing worse than playing a game enjoying yourself and then bam freezing stuttering.

Hopefully you now understand why the technology is a must now for gaming