Question Upgrading

[P0tluck94]

Have a question and don't know how to find the actual answer so here I am, I currently have a
r5 3600, cpu
msi b550m pro vdh wifi motherboard
32 gigs 3200 CL 16 trident ram, (4x8 sticks)
Asus ko 3060ti gpu
seasonic 850 focus gold psu
1tb Gen 3 crucial nvme, 2 tb SanDisk ssd
coolermaster masterbox case that's to small my gpu only has about 1.5 inches from fans to psu Bay shroud.

I want to upgrade to a 5800x3d I have a new 1660 xc gpu that was in this pc when I bought it that is in the box after I upgraded to the 3060ti, i am disabled with not alot of money room to do a full out new build but with all the new bells and whistles, I do not like how this pc performs, I get maybe 120-125 fps on warzone, I do get 140-150 on mw2 in multiplayer on smaller maps, I want to do a build around the 3060ti, I was thinking to just take this 3060ti out of this rig put in the 1660xc so I'll have 2 pcs (the one with the 1660 xc will be the streaming pc if I choose to stream) and buy a case, faster ram, psu, x570 motherboard, 5800x3d, faster drives better cooling (noctua n14) but use the 3060ti as that's the most expensive thing to upgrade but I don't know if I'll gain any performance so that's why I'm asking, would upgrading to a better cpu like the 58000x3d be worth the investment or will I not see any big gains?

 

[Why_Me]

https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/amd-ryzen-7-5800x3d-review

 

[P0tluck94]

https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/amd-ryzen-7-5800x3d-review

I know the cpu is amazing I was just curious if I would gain any performance by still using the 3060ti or if it would it be a waste of money Cause I can't afford to upgrade the gpu

 

[Why_Me]

I know the cpu is amazing I was just curious if I would gain any performance by still using the 3060ti or if it would it be a waste of money Cause I can't afford to upgrade the gpu

You will gain for sure. Another solid cpu to look at is the AMD Ryzen 7 5700X.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kr5V1lgctYw

 

[P0tluck94]

You will gain for sure. Another solid cpu to look at is the AMD Ryzen 7 5700X.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kr5V1lgctYw

Why would the 5700x be comparable, sorry my stroke affected comprehension

 

[Why_Me]

Why would the 5700x be comparable, sorry my stroke affected comprehension

The 5800x3d is a boss cpu no doubt. I mentioned the 5700X in case you were looking to save money.

 

[P0tluck94]

The 5800x3d is a boss cpu no doubt. I mentioned the 5700X in case you were looking to save money.

Ahh okay much appreciated but if I'm gonna upgrade I might as well go big for am4 so if I can down the road upgrade the gpu so I wont have bottlenecks,,even though I don't know whata bottleneck is exactly

 

[P0tluck94]

The 5800x3d is a boss cpu no doubt. I mentioned the 5700X in case you were looking to save money.

Is there any like calculators to see how much of a performance boost I'll get

 

[Why_Me]

Is there any like calculators to see how much of a performance boost I'll get

Not that I know of.

 

[Lafong]

Is there any like calculators to see how much of a performance boost I'll get

Make of these what you will:

https://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=AMD+Ryzen+7+5700X&id=4814

https://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=AMD+Ryzen+7+5800X3D&id=4823

 

[GarrettL]

Overall, the 5800x3d is the best gaming cpu you can put into the now retired AM4 socket.

I built a new pc as the AM5 socket was released. With my budget I went with a 5800x3d for 1440p gaming. I have zero regrets.

Edit: NewEgg has them listed at $310 now. It may, hopefully, drop below $300 when the AM5 x3d chips are released.

 

[P0tluck94]

Overall, the 5800x3d is the best gaming cpu you can put into the now retired AM4 socket.

I built a new pc as the AM5 socket was released. With my budget I went with a 5800x3d for 1440p gaming. I have zero regrets.

Edit: NewEgg has them listed at $310 now. It may, hopefully, drop below $300 when the AM5 x3d chips are released.

I know the 5800x3d is a beast, I'm more concerned with will i see a significant performance increase cause i don't have a very good gpu and I can't afford to upgrade that. Like is the price per performance gain worth the $1000 I'll need to spend to fully upgrade (cpu,cooler,case, ram, psu,fans)so I can make 2pcs as I have a 1660xc to put back in this tower, I'll put the 3060ti in the new tower with the 5800x3d, or am I only going to get maybe 10-30fps gains

 

[Roland Of Gilead]

Hey there,

So, by adding a 5800x 3d you most certainly will get a bump in FPS, even with a 3060ti.

All the test you see, and articles read about the 5800x 3d typically use either a 3090/ti or 4090 to really clearly illustrate the difference in CPU horsepower. The difficulty is with lesser cards like the 3060ti, where reviewrs just don't normally test with those GPU's. What we do know is that with midrange cards the boost in performance is less than with more powerful cards.

So, as an example if the 5800x3d and a 3090/4090/4080 hit 300 fps in a game, and lets say a 20-30% boost in FPS, it would be much less than that with a 3060ti. Maybe up to 50% or so. But still you will get a good lift up in performance, that would make the difference between a playable 60+hz/FPS gaming at high resolutions or not.

 

[GarrettL]

I know the 5800x3d is a beast, I'm more concerned with will i see a significant performance increase cause i don't have a very good gpu and I can't afford to upgrade that. Like is the price per performance gain worth the $1000 I'll need to spend to fully upgrade (cpu,cooler,case, ram, psu,fans)so I can make 2pcs as I have a 1660xc to put back in this tower, I'll put the 3060ti in the new tower with the 5800x3d, or am I only going to get maybe 10-30fps gains

What monitor will you be using, size and refresh rate?

 

[GarrettL]

Hey there,

So, by adding a 5800x 3d you most certainly will get a bump in FPS, even with a 3060ti.

All the test you see, and articles read about the 5800x 3d typically use either a 3090/ti or 4090 to really clearly illustrate the difference in CPU horsepower. The difficulty is with lesser cards like the 3060ti, where reviewrs just don't normally test with those GPU's. What we do know is that with midrange cards the boost in performance is less than with more powerful cards.

So, as an example if the 5800x3d and a 3090/4090/4080 hit 300 fps in a game, and lets say a 20-30% boost in FPS, it would be much less than that with a 3060ti. Maybe up to 50% or so. But still you will get a good lift up in performance, that would make the difference between a playable 60+hz/FPS gaming at high resolutions or not.

Agreed.

Even a 5700x would be an improvement over the 3600x relative to the low FPS that can be perceived as stutter. In fast paced FPS shooter's every millisecond counts. The 5800x3d is a HUGE improvment in the low FPS over the 3600x. This results in a smoother visual experinece on your monitor.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=29X1bllznnU


Also, do not discount the importance of a good monitor, it does make a difference.

 

[P0tluck94]

What monitor will you be using, size and refresh rate?

I have a 27" asus

What monitor will you be using, size and refresh rate?

I have a vg27aq Asus 1440p, 144 hrtz with OSD 165 overclock options but I don't use that so I can prolong the lifespan of the monitor so I'm running it at 144

 

[GarrettL]

I have a 27" asus

I have a vg27aq Asus 1440p, 144 hrtz with OSD 165 overclock options but I don't use that so I can prolong the lifespan of the monitor so I'm running it at 144

Excellent. I do not overlcock mine either as they don't always behave well. I picked up an Asus PG279q 27" as an open box a few years ago. I thought people were nuts for buying expensive monitors and boy was I wrong.

You could do the experiment yourself and run the 3600 and the 5800x3d with the 3060 ti
I gurantee you would "feel" a difference and on some titles see the difference.

The 3060 TI would work at 1440p, just don't expect Ultra settings on every game title. Paired with a 5800x3d and that monitor should provide a nice fluid experince.

 

[P0tluck94]

Excellent. I do not overlcock mine either as they don't always behave well. I picked up an Asus PG279q 27" as an open box a few years ago. I thought people were nuts for buying expensive monitors and boy was I wrong.

You could do the experiment yourself and run the 3600 and the 5800x3d with the 3060 ti
I gurantee you would "feel" a difference and on some titles see the difference.

The 3060 TI would work at 1440p, just don't expect Ultra settings on every game title. Paired with a 5800x3d and that monitor should provide a nice fluid experince.

Yikes I'm up to $1400 without the case but I chose the combo with the Asus rog cross dark hero hair mobo combo which is $661, I could go cheaper on the mobo. also I don't want liquid cooling and i read you have to have a good 7 heat pipe air cooler to keep the cpu running cool so i chose the noctua d15 chromax dont know if it'll be enough., I need a good high flow case and I dont want allot of rgb so im Going with noctua fans throughout so my estimate if $1000 was quite a ways off lol

 

[GarrettL]

You don't need a high end motherboard or water cooling for the 5800x3d.

The 3800x build was on the x570 Tuff Wifi a few years ago. That was a great $200 x570 moard for the price at the time but not sure if they have released an updated X570s version.

On my recent 5800x3d build I went with an MSI MAG Tomahawk X570s that has Wifi 6 and better audio over the older Tuff. I like Asus as well but I've used MSI in the past and the current Tomahawk's have received very good ratings and reviews, and from my experience deservedly so.

Any lower end x570 motherboard will run just fine with the 5800x3d. But I would suggest looking for the updated x570s versions. They also don't use the chipset fan like the older x570 board do.

As far as cooling, in the US at least, you'll be hard pressed to find a better cpu cooler for the price. The Peerless Assassin 120 SE is ~$36. It is big and stands 150mm tall, actually on the shorter side compared to many.

I can attest to it's performance, when running CineBench23 all core load the temp peaks at87°C-88°C. If your cooling can prevent the thermal throttling limit in Cinebench then you'll never see a heat related throttling issue during gaming.

Spoiler: 5800x3d Build Picture

https://imgur.com/Fbvm1TO

View: https://imgur.com/Fbvm1TO

 

[P0tluck94]

You don't need a high end motherboard or water cooling for the 5800x3d.

The 3800x build was on the x570 Tuff Wifi a few years ago. That was a great $200 x570 moard for the price at the time but not sure if they have released an updated X570s version.

On my recent 5800x3d build I went with an MSI MAG Tomahawk X570s that has Wifi 6 and better audio over the older Tuff. I like Asus as well but I've used MSI in the past and the current Tomahawk's have received very good ratings and reviews, and from my experience deservedly so.

Any lower end x570 motherboard will run just fine with the 5800x3d. But I would suggest looking for the updated x570s versions. They also don't use the chipset fan like the older x570 board do.

As far as cooling, in the US at least, you'll be hard pressed to find a better cpu cooler for the price. The Peerless Assassin 120 SE is ~$36. It is big and stands 150mm tall, actually on the shorter side compared to many.

I can attest to it's performance, when running CineBench23 all core load the temp peaks at87°C-88°C. If your cooling can prevent the thermal throttling limit in Cinebench then you'll never see a heat related throttling issue during gaming.

Spoiler: 5800x3d Build Picture

https://imgur.com/Fbvm1TO

View: https://imgur.com/Fbvm1TO

Yeah I was looking at that cooler originally, I forgot how expensive pcs are lol,obviously there's a lot of room to bring the price down on this listing I just did I pretty quick, there's also a compatibility issue with the ram I don't understand. https://pcpartpicker.com/list/6RRCY9

 

[GarrettL]

One thing about the Peerless, you can't use tall RAM, as low profile as possible. The front fan on the cpu cooler will overhang the fist two memory slots, A1 and B1. The D15 may have the same issue with RAM but the D15-S I beleive doesn't have RAM clearance issues. Not 100% sure on that.

GSkill is great memory and clocks well. It will work with your motherboard. I used the cheaper Corsair LPX, it clocks ok but the latency is higher than the GSkill kits.

Do you live near a Micro Center store?

 

[P0tluck94]

One thing about the Peerless, you can't use tall RAM, as low profile as possible. The front fan on the cpu cooler will overhang the fist two memory slots, A1 and B1. The D15 may have the same issue with RAM but the D15-S I beleive doesn't have RAM clearance issues. Not 100% sure on that.

GSkill is great memory and clocks well. It will work with your motherboard. I used the cheaper Corsair LPX, it clocks ok but the latency is higher than the GSkill kits.

Do you live near a Micro Center store?

No I don't unfortunately I don't overclock or anything like that. I was looking for a motherboard with just 2 ram slots but those are costly. The ram issue was something about voltages. But $1600 without a gpu is yikes

 

[GarrettL]

Ryzen's and memory are quite different than past cpu's.

The default memory speed for the Ryzen's is something like 2344MHz, you'll see it when you first boot the system. You have to set the memory to 3200-3600MHZ. That's what is meant by overclocking the RAM. Ryzens run best at 3200-3600.

Yeah on the price. I was shocked too on my recent build. That was when the AM5's just released and my budget was not even close to that platform. It's gotten a bit better since then but the AM5 motherboards are pretty darn pricey especially when compared to the x570 boards.

Do you have a Micro Center near you?

 

[P0tluck94]

Ryzen's and memory are quite different than past cpu's.

The default memory speed for the Ryzen's is something like 2344MHz, you'll see it when you first boot the system. You have to set the memory to 3200-3600MHZ. That's what is meant by overclocking the RAM. Ryzens run best at 3200-3600.

Yeah on the price. I was shocked too on my recent build. That was when the AM5's just released and my budget was not even close to that platform. It's gotten a bit better since then but the AM5 motherboards are pretty darn pricey especially when compared to the x570 boards.

Do you have a Micro Center near you?

I don't have a microcenter by me.

I did pick a pretty expensive psu in seasonic 3.0 which is the new model, idk why the standard 2tb ssd was $170 the case can be cheaper also like I can get it down quite a but but the most important thing in the pc is the psu, this Don't include fan's either as in want to run all noctua 140's lol

 

[logainofhades]

Yeah I was looking at that cooler originally, I forgot how expensive pcs are lol,obviously there's a lot of room to bring the price down on this listing I just did I pretty quick, there's also a compatibility issue with the ram I don't understand. https://pcpartpicker.com/list/6RRCY9

You are spending way too much, to buy a last gen platform.


PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 9 7900X 4.7 GHz 12-Core Processor ($433.99 @ Newegg)
CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D15 chromax.black 82.52 CFM CPU Cooler ($109.95 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: Gigabyte B650 AORUS ELITE AX ATX AM5 Motherboard ($199.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Trident Z5 Neo RGB 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-6000 CL30 Memory ($169.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Crucial P5 Plus 1 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive ($89.99 @ B&H)
Storage: Crucial P3 Plus 2 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive ($112.99 @ B&H)
Case: Fractal Design Torrent Compact ATX Mid Tower Case ($169.99 @ B&H)
Power Supply: Corsair RM850x (2021) 850 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply ($149.99 @ Amazon)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 10 Home OEM - DVD 64-bit ($119.98 @ Newegg)
Custom: Corsair 600W PCIe 5.0 12VHPWR Type-4 PSU Power Cable ($19.99)
Total: $1576.85
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2023-02-27 07:36 EST-0500


If you want to stick with a 5800x3d, you have a lot you can take off, price wise.

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 5800X3D 3.4 GHz 8-Core Processor ($308.99 @ Newegg)
CPU Cooler: Thermalright Peerless Assassin 120 SE ARGB 66.17 CFM CPU Cooler ($40.90 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: Gigabyte B550 AORUS ELITE AX V2 ATX AM4 Motherboard ($169.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: TEAMGROUP T-Create Expert 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory ($64.98 @ Amazon)
Storage: Crucial P5 Plus 1 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive ($89.99 @ B&H)
Storage: Crucial P3 Plus 2 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive ($112.99 @ B&H)
Case: Fractal Design Torrent Compact ATX Mid Tower Case ($169.99 @ B&H)
Power Supply: Corsair RM850x (2021) 850 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply ($149.99 @ Amazon)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 10 Home OEM - DVD 64-bit ($119.98 @ Newegg)
Custom: Corsair 600W PCIe 5.0 12VHPWR Type-4 PSU Power Cable ($19.99)
Total: $1247.79
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2023-02-27 07:41 EST-0500