Question Upgrading

[P0tluck94]

Question as I'm going to be upgrading my gpu soon , My System specs are a follows

Ryzen 5800X3D
Asus rog strix b550 motherboard
32 gigs 3600 cl 16 ram
Thermaltake gf3 850 watt gold psu
Current gpu is Asus ko 3060ti
Case h7 flow
Cpu cooler arctic freezer 2 360 aio
Display is 1440

I'm looking at the 4070ti super as it's not super expensive (should be cheaper) and also I wouldn't have to swap out my psu to accommodate but it's not that much faster than the basic 4070ti (non super) is approx 5% faster frim what Ive read , so im stuck on deciding aacill also have to upgrade my monitor to a higher refresh also which will be another $350-$500 later on down the road , I knew I'll get amd recommendations but I'm starting with nvidia as they are a better all around cars due multiple applications use.

 

[Eximo]

4070 Ti Super has 16GB of VRAM, worth the $50 over the 4070Ti, particularly if you are planning on going past 1440.

4070 Super is a decent deal, and still quite a bit faster than the 3060Ti, closer to a 3080Ti/3080 12GB in performance, as is the 7800XT which also has 16GB.

 

[P0tluck94]

4070 Ti Super has 16GB of VRAM, worth the $50 over the 4070Ti, particularly if you are planning on going past 1440.

4070 Super is a decent deal, and still quite a bit faster than the 3060Ti, closer to a 3080Ti/3080 12GB in performance, as is the 7800XT which also has 16GB.

Is the 4070 super better than the ti? Or just a better price er performance?

 

[Eximo]

The 4070 Super gains more performance than any other Super card for the money, but is still slower than the rest.
4070Ti Super has a harsh power limit, but is really a very stripped down 4080, thus the 16GB.

The performance order is like this:
4060 8GB
4060 Ti 8GB/ 4060 Ti 16GB
4070 12GB
4070 Super 12GB
4070 Ti 12GB
4070 Ti Super 16GB
4080 16GB
4080 Super 16GB
4090 24GB

Just saying you don't have to spend $800 on a GPU to get a big improvement over a 3060Ti, which is pretty close to a 4060Ti in performance in a lot of titles.

 

[P0tluck94]

The 4070 Super gains more performance than any other Super card for the money, but is still slower than the rest.
4070Ti Super has a harsh power limit, but is really a very stripped down 4080, thus the 16GB.

The performance order is like this:
4060 8GB
4060 Ti 8GB/ 4060 Ti 16GB
4070 12GB
4070 Super 12GB
4070 Ti 12GB
4070 Ti Super 16GB
4080 16GB
4080 Super 16GB
4090 24GB

Just saying you don't have to spend $800 on a GPU to get a big improvement over a 3060Ti, which is pretty close to a 4060Ti in performance in a lot of titles.

Right I just didn't know what you meant saying 4070 super, it's just better for price but not better performance wise than the ti super right?

Yeah the prices for these cards are crazy alot more than they used to be for sure, when i got my 3060ti I got a combo on Newegg for the gpu and a 27" Asus 1440p 165 hrtz monitor for less than a gpu costs now, I'm going to have to get the gpu on financing like i did the pc unfortunately, the pc runs good but I just don't get the frames I want and a tune will not help either as a 3060ti is not great for 1440

 

[Eximo]

Of course, there is $200 price difference. Nvidia has just named all their cards rather poorly. I believe this is the first ever use of Ti and Super together.

7900 XT is another option if you aren't intending to use DLSS or Ray Tracing. A little cheaper than the 4070 Ti Super and about the same price as a 4070 Ti.

Drop down a tier and it is a fight between the 4070 Super and the 7800XT, with the 7800XT and 4070 (non super) being roughly priced the same and performing similarly.

Really comes down to the individual games.

Nothing wrong with 1440p 165hz. About where mid-tier cards like you are looking at perform well.

 

[P0tluck94]

Of course, there is $200 price difference. Nvidia has just named all their cards rather poorly. I believe this is the first ever use of Ti and Super together.

7900 XT is another option if you aren't intending to use DLSS or Ray Tracing. A little cheaper than the 4070 Ti Super and about the same price as a 4070 Ti.

Drop down a tier and it is a fight between the 4070 Super and the 7800XT, with the 7800XT and 4070 (non super) being roughly priced the same and performing similarly.

Really comes down to the individual games.

Nothing wrong with 1440p 165hz. About where mid-tier cards like you are looking at perform well.

Yeah I'm not trying to hit 300 frames or play star citizen at 4k or any game at 4k , I just want more then 120 and i cant get that with a 3060ti at 1440, I just dint think I worked have to spend $800 bucks to do it lol

 

[P0tluck94]

Yeah I'm not trying to hit 300 frames or play star citizen at 4k or any game at 4k , I just want more then 120 and i cant get that with a 3060ti at 1440, I just dint think I worked have to spend $800 bucks to do it lol

is there a manufacturer that you would lean towards more than the other? and is $880 too much for the 4070 ti super? i have an asus rog strix mobo so i was going to go with asus gpu, but they are on back order and i have read that they are the most common for rma's

gigabyte has 2 models a 4070ti super and a 4070ti super oc edition which is more , base 4070ti super is $800, oc edition ti super is $880

 

[P0tluck94]

Of course, there is $200 price difference. Nvidia has just named all their cards rather poorly. I believe this is the first ever use of Ti and Super together.

7900 XT is another option if you aren't intending to use DLSS or Ray Tracing. A little cheaper than the 4070 Ti Super and about the same price as a 4070 Ti.

Drop down a tier and it is a fight between the 4070 Super and the 7800XT, with the 7800XT and 4070 (non super) being roughly priced the same and performing similarly.

Really comes down to the individual games.

Nothing wrong with 1440p 165hz. About where mid-tier cards like you are looking at perform well.

cant get the card till i upgrade the case , the 4070ti super is a 4 slot card my case is the h7 flow so there wil be no room between psu shroud and the gpu fans, and im disabled and know nothing about building pcs so im just stuck🙁

 

[P0tluck94]

what 3 slot 4070ti super graphics cards do you recommend , was going asus but its 4 slot and wont fit in my case , im assuming if i have a bios update ill need to do that as well

 

[thestryker]

MSI Slim are the only ones I can think of without looking up models that will fit.

 

[P0tluck94]

MSI Slim are the only ones I can think of without looking up models that will fit.

watched a video of them building in this case with a 3 slot 4090 and it fit i just know what models to steer clear from or there used to be models you stayed away from like windforce, eagle etc

 

[P0tluck94]

MSI Slim are the only ones I can think of without looking up models that will fit.

this video , if this fit a 3 slot 4090, it should fit a 4070ti super too right? i know the 4 slot wont

View: https://youtu.be/C6aiemyEaag?si=wteLyD_JE5B2G2EM

 

[P0tluck94]

Considering your powerful system specs, upgrading to the NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4070 Ti Super seems reasonable for enhanced performance. While the non-Super variant offers a slight trade-off, the Super model's affordability and compatibility with your existing PSU make it a sensible choice. Plan for a future monitor upgrade for a complete high-refresh experience.

condsidering i have no idea what im looking for to make sure the card will even fit in this case im not buying anything until i know , im looking at the height for all the cards and they are all close to each other even though one says 3 slot one says 4 the slime is 2.25 , in the video they use a 4090 gaming x trio the demensions for that are

gaming x trio - full height quad slot
Video Card Length
13.27 in. (337.00 mm)
Width
3.7 Slot; 3.03 in. (77.00 mm)
Height
5.51 in. (139.95 mm)
__________________________________________________________________________________________
asus tuf - full height quad slot
Video Card Length
12.00 in. (304.80 mm)
Width
3.25 Slot; 2.56 in. (65.00 mm)
Height
5.43 in. (137.92 mm) CUSTOMER SUPORT SAID THIS WILL NOT FIT IN MY CASE. but its smaller thajn the gaming x trio 4090
_____________________________________________________________________________________________

they are all pretty much the same size or smaller than the 4090 trio they used in the video but micro center said they wont fit.​

 

[Eximo]

Not clear to me why they would say that.

Fairly standard mid-tower.

Is your radiator front mounted? Because then you would want to focus on the shorter cards. But expansion slot wise, you have 7, and the GPUs max out at 4, through really between 3 and 4. Push comes to shove and you can always move the radiator to the top of the case and free up the maximum GPU length well beyond the length of the longest cards.

Unless you already have several expansion cards I can't see this not working.

Dozens of people have done this:

https://pcpartpicker.com/builds/#g=566,542,567,539&e=3469,3743

 

[P0tluck94]

Not clear to me why they would say that.

Fairly standard mid-tower.

Is your radiator front mounted? Because then you would want to focus on the shorter cards. But expansion slot wise, you have 7, and the GPUs max out at 4, through really between 3 and 4. Push comes to shove and you can always move the radiator to the top of the case and free up the maximum GPU length well beyond the length of the longest cards.

Unless you already have several expansion cards I can't see this not working.

Dozens of people have done this:

https://pcpartpicker.com/builds/#g=566,542,567,539&e=3469,3743

My radiator is top mounted , its an arctic freezer 2 360

https://imgur.com/a/HCOGtaU

View: https://imgur.com/gallery/HCOGtaU

 

[P0tluck94]

Not clear to me why they would say that.

Fairly standard mid-tower.

Is your radiator front mounted? Because then you would want to focus on the shorter cards. But expansion slot wise, you have 7, and the GPUs max out at 4, through really between 3 and 4. Push comes to shove and you can always move the radiator to the top of the case and free up the maximum GPU length well beyond the length of the longest cards.

Unless you already have several expansion cards I can't see this not working.

Dozens of people have done this:

https://pcpartpicker.com/builds/#g=566,542,567,539&e=3469,3743

So I did get the ventus 3 4070ti oc which I found out has performance issues and i have to update the vbios.

I'm disabled so getting out to go get one is hard and with the new cards most aren't shipping as they are high in demand so it's first come first serve, kinda stressing out, I did what literally everyone told me "they're all the same just pick one" but now that I bought it (will be here Wednesday) I'm realizing they aren't.

Do I need to do anything special like updating mobo bios?

Removing old drivers with ddu?

The gpu comes with a splitter that goes from 2-8 pins to 1 -12 v high power plug.

my psu has a 12v high power cable , should I run that one cable instead of using the 2-8 pin splitter? (psu is thermaltake gf3 850 watt).

With updating the vbios another user said that voids the warranty, but it's not flashing the vbios its updating which shouldn't void the warranty right , also how do I update the vbios ?

I read the articles on here but I dont see where to go to do it or is it included in the Nvidia driver?

And finally is this just plug and play , can I just replace the 3060ti with the 4070ti super abd be good to go besides driver updates?

 

[thestryker]

The gpu comes with a splitter that goes from 2-8 pins to 1 -12 v high power plug.

my psu has a 12v high power cable , should I run that one cable instead of using the 2-8 pin splitter? (psu is thermaltake gf3 850 watt).

Personally speaking unless the card is right up next to the side of your case to where you need to sharply bend the cable I'd use the 12VHPWR cable from your PSU.

And finally is this just plug and play , can I just replace the 3060ti with the 4070ti super abd be good to go besides driver updates?

yes

Removing old drivers with ddu?

You don't technically have to, but most people do and it's not a bad idea.

This addresses the BIOS situation (it will certainly not void any warranty) and has links: https://www.msi.com/news/detail/MSI...s-Graphics-Cards-BIOS-Update-Statement-143146

 

[P0tluck94]

Personally speaking unless the card is right up next to the side of your case to where you need to sharply bend the cable I'd use the 12VHPWR cable from your PSU.

yes

You don't technically have to, but most people do and it's not a bad idea.

This addresses the BIOS situation (it will certainly not void any warranty) and has links: https://www.msi.com/news/detail/MSI...s-Graphics-Cards-BIOS-Update-Statement-143146

i dont have the card yet so i dont know if the cable will be close , the power cable for this 3060ti does touch though.

thanks for the read i will look into it .

i dont think ill have to make a huge bend in the cable and the 12v cable from the psu is quite flexible also whats nutty is the 4070 ti super not only requires less wattage psu than this 3060ti its actually almost an inch shorter which will give me more room between he cable and the glass , 3060ti is 5.31" , the 4070ti super is 4.72"

if i do have to make a hard bend you recommend me using the splitter? and what do you consider a hard bend

 

[thestryker]

if i do have to make a hard bend you recommend me using the splitter? and what do you consider a hard bend

Technically the general suggestion is up to 35mm worth of space, but the way I look at it is as long as you're not bending at the connector you're good. It sounds like you should be okay with what you've got if the cooler is smaller and the cable flexible.

The adapter could potentially have less stress on the cable in tight cases, but it's something you can't really tell until you have the card in your case.