USB problems after dual booting from xp into 12r2

[Guest]

MSI z97, i7-4790 running windows XP Pro, with Vista Starter, and Server 2012 r2 Storage in dual dual boot.

On my main os XP, my usb 2.0 dvd player shows up and works fine in windows explorer and device manager. I reboot to Vista where it shows up and works fine. Back to XP, still there still working. Boot to 12r2 where it works fine. Back to XP and it is gone. My dvd player does not show up, does not work. Back to Vista, it works fine. Back to 12r2 it works fine. Back to XP, still gone. Reboot, gone. Back to not XP to reimage XP, then back to XP and there it is again working fine. Back to 12r2, works fine. Back to XP, gone, gone, gone for good. Reboot, gone. Reboot, gone. Going to Vista never kills it. Nothing changes it. Back to either other though, there it is and working fine.

Is 12r2 killing my XP usb 2.0 dvd player simply by booting to it? All other usb functions work fine. Ideas? Questions?

 

[Alec Mowat]

Why are you using XP?
... why are you even using Vista for that matter?

It doesn't look like Z97 boards even support XP, which is most likely part of your issue. 2012R2 also boots from the EUFI level, and the rest do not.

That board supports Windows 7 and Windows 8. There are no drivers for any of those operating systems. This is probably a driver issue.

I'm not sure why you are on an unsupported OS, the worst OS Microsoft ever made, and an unsupported Server OS on your computer.

If anything, just load 2012, and put XP and Vista in Hyper V installs.

 

[Guest]

Wow, Alec. That was not at all an answer to my question, but thank you for sharing your hatred for the second most popular desktop OS on the planet, as well as the most compatible desktop OS ever produced. Had you stepped back for a moment you might also consider what a feat it is to run XP on a z97, and use that admiration to stfu. Incidentally 3,150 my passmark score without 4gb+, dx10+ or 64bits. Fastest, most compatible GOG system ever... i think so.

To answer one concern you raised clearly, this system functions flawlessly until I boot into 12r2, after which it dumps only my usb dvd drive. Anyone not brimming with bigotry against XP, and obviously rather stuffed with knowledge, I'd appreciate an answer that doesn't involve ranting blindly for Microsoft's more modern fail forward designs.

 

[Alec Mowat]

Wow, Alec. That was not at all an answer to my question, but thank you for sharing your hatred for the second most popular desktop OS on the planet, as well as the most compatible desktop OS ever produced. Had you stepped back for a moment you might also consider what a feat it is to run XP on a z97, and use that admiration to stfu. Incidentally 3,150 my passmark score without 4gb+, dx10+ or 64bits. Fastest, most compatible GOG system ever... i think so.

To answer one concern you raised clearly, this system functions flawlessly until I boot into 12r2, after which it dumps only my usb dvd drive. Anyone not brimming with bigotry against XP, and obviously rather stuffed with knowledge, I'd appreciate an answer that doesn't involve ranting blindly for Microsoft's more modern fail forward designs.

You missed my point.
Your motherboard doesn't support any of those operating systems officially, the drivers aren't working correctly.

You also missed my second point. 2012 R2 boots differently than the other 2, depending on how you boot, 2012 could very well be using those systems.

It doesn't function flawless, obvious. Because neither of those operating systems are supported. Not to rail on XP, but I would absolutely get off Vista and move to 7/8.1 for the Direct X 11.2 updates alone.

Did you install the operating systems in the right order? You should have installed 2012 last
http://www.7tutorials.com/how-dual-boot-windows-8-windows-7-windows-vista-or-windows-xp

 

[Guest]

Yes it was tough to find your points...

Triple booting teaches you much about codependent OSs. I can delete 12r2 from XP, just as I can delete XP from 12r2 indicating to my level of understanding that they are not dependent or as you say using each other. My install order was XP alone, then 12r2, then vista, then boot modified with visual bcd as neither has a system reserve. If I do not boot into 12r2, XP operates flawlessly for months on end. Through blue screens and reboots, through system freezes and 101 day uptimes my dvd player does not move, until the instant I boot to 12r2, and only ever then.

OS support is irrelevant to both my desire, capability, and system performance save this single quirk. Nor does "official support" indicate any level of commitment by the company as my other Intel machine slips from "built for windows XP" to Vista and beyond, to now 7 and 8 only. Guarantees mean nothing in the face of Microsoft pressure to shun old OSs that prevent future sales. Oh and I ran a generic lan driver and z87 chip set along with generic ME drivers to counter MSI's anti-XP philosophy on the XP/12r2 system.

I've tried win7 in both 32 and 64 and both leak ram worse than 98 did. And though 8.1 is better, 12r2 is simply a faster OS. I'll return to both in search of a cure for this problem, as dual boot only of course because neither is worthy of walking in anything but XPs shadow, because not a single OS built since XP can compare to its useability. Beyond XP Microsoft lost touch and became bizarre. We all know it. Vista and beyond are operating systems designed by idiots for idiots in a slow painful attempt to kill desktop computing. And a GOG system has no need for DX10+ 1971 to 2011 my little XP plays every game ever made without complaint and at greater speed than imaginable.

Microsoft actively kills third party support of XP because it was until two years ago the most popular desktop OS on the planet. So 12r2 is killing my DVD. Accidental or intentional their motivation is as clear to me as it is that this problem has a solution.

I'll await solutions, questions, answers, and check back in hopes someones skills are beyond mine on this matter.

GOG Forever = XP Forever

 

[Alec Mowat]

You are completely confused in what you are talking about.

You are dreaming a bit, sorry. None of that is at all true.

Everything on GOG will run on Windows 8 with a little work.

XP is being killed because it has massive security flaws Microsoft doesn't want to patch and supporting an OS people don't pay for is pointless. It's not profitable.

98? 98 doesn't support more than 256 MB of RAM, and only 1 core. Neither of those OS's leak RAM, that's just BS.

2012 is only "faster" because it has less services running. The differences are minimal.

You are dreaming a bit too much. You are pretending to understand something, but you are very far from base.

I assure you I run Diablo I and Black and White, among countless other old games (not from GOG, original release) on Windows 8.1 with very little issues.

The only reason you would need an old OS (see my signature), is for 16 bit games that cannot launch in a 64 bit environment. DOS Box will run anything pre-Windows 95 easily. I also like to run Glide games in Glide, for the sake of using a Voodoo AGP card.


You are taking the most complicated solution to the simplest problem. Install Windows 8, stop pretending you know what you are talking about, and get a second, older system for running older games.

Otherwise you'll end up with Driver problems and poor overall stability. Hence, your post. You are using leaded gas from the 70's in a car built in 2012, and wondering why you have issues.

No one will provide the answer you are looking before, because "you aren't doing it right". If you try to be creative with your software, you get problems.

And again, the issue is with the EUFI BIOS and 2012 R2. You may have Secure Boot enabled. 2012 should have been installed last so it can manage the boot loader.

 

[Guest]

1) Windows 7 will run 85% of old games, windows 8 will run 60% of old games. neither is largely improved through """"compatibility"""" mode.
2) Doesn't want? The people paid for XP at one point. Making Bill Gates's one time net worth $127 billion dollars as well as Microsoft's current value as the second richest publicly traded company. To be abandoned, and willfully opposed a decade later? I can't imagine finding such ignorance on a 2003 Honda Accord forum.
3) Doesn't leak ram??? Create 200,000 unique .ini files whose size in whole is 2GB and copy from A to B, as I do a dozen times a day in my professional endeavors. Vista will double its ram usage to copy, windows 7 will place 2gb of usage in ram and hold it there indefinitely. windows 8.1 and 12r2 will both pick up a gig of usage and hold it there for over an hour. XP will show no change in usage. Buying more ram is not an acceptable workaround.
4) Glad you agree 12r2 is faster.
5) Slander is not a valid argument.
6) DOS Box will not run "anything", especially the years between DOS and Windows 95 group, and Windows XP will run most old games natively without creating all day compatibility issues to solve.
7) I am in fact taking the least complicated solution to the most complex problems and have 15,000 operational games as a result.
8) This z97 system running XP pro sp3 has achieved 101 day uptime, with no stability issues, save the one, which you have done nothing to offer the slightest correction to. Just admit it Alec, you do not know the answer except to fling your hatred at me. So please stop burying me under your avalanche of not helping.

But thanks for highjacking my post yet again, to serve your own purposeless XP-bashing, Zealotry, Alec. If only you knew what you were talking about. But clearly you don't have any experience on these issues so please confine your response to calling me names, then do not respond to any question I ever ask again. I am here to ASK THE COMMUNITY, not be harassed by one time-wasting, Upgrade-Thumper.

FYI:

Passmark Best Score - SYS - PROC 2DG 3DG RAM DISK ...psst no SSD
i7-4790 - 14-06-24.1 - 3161 - 08889 0773 2424 2025 1342 - s08r2-ahci - GTX560
i7-4790 - 14-07-01.1 - 3439 - 10617 1026 2496 2099 1248 - win7x64-ahci - GTX560
i7-4790 - 14-09-16.2 - 2363 - 07625 0747 4225 1678 0644 - vistax86-ahci - GTX 760
i7-4790 - 14-09-16.3 - 3583 - 10545 1065 5488 2136 1147 - 8cNx64-ahci - GTX 760
i7-4790 - 14-10-15.2 - 2990 - 07867 0753 5489 1494 1247 - win7x86s-ide - GTX 760
i7-4790 - 14-10-15.8 - 3796 - 10556 1128 5476 2160 1294 - s12r2s-ide - GTX 760
i7-4790 - 14-11-24.1 - 3181 - 07683 1104 2294 1792 1280 - winXP-ide - GTX 760 Rebuild nV344.75 PhysX 9.14.0702

XP is clearly just one of the boys performance wise... Imagine if it had realistic usage of over 2gb, or even DX10+

 

[Alec Mowat]

Passmark benchmarks don't mean anything...

1.) Name a game it won't run that XP can.

2.) Did you expect lifetime support when it came out? Who on earth plans to use the same operating system for their entire life? Unless they release the source code as open source, there's no reason to stick with XP on a modern system except nostalgia.

3.) Vista is garbage. Those aren't RAM leaks, that's standby. It's intentional. They are designed for systems that use more RAM.

4.) 12r2 and 8.1 are the exact same operating system. You can strip 8.1 down if required, or install all the missing features into R2 in order to use it.

5.) This isn't an argument.

6.) What won't DOSBox run? F-Fend reloaded works very well.
http://dfendreloaded.sourceforge.net/
Windows XP won't run any native DOS applications, it's NT based. As is Vista +. There's no advantage to Windows XP vs. any other version of NT for gaming.

7.) What game can't I run in 8.1 that you can run in XP? I'll give it a try.

8.) "Stable", except for the obvious issue you brought up, which again is related to the EUFI BIOS and the load order being incorrect. You need to use 12r2's boot sector.

I have no idea what you are trying to show performance wise. XP doesn't support DX11, and DX11 provides significant better multithreaded performance than DX10 or 9.

What version of Passmark are you using? One that was built for XP?

Any game that does not use DX11 will probably run just fine on your rig anyway. The difference would be minimal.

Again. You are pretending to know about something, but you don't know what you are talking about.

I am only responding so that other people don't make the same mistakes you did.

 

[Guest]

Shouldn't you be out on a ledge somewhere, Alec?

Off the top of my head: Bully, any GFWL game in particular Batman 1 - Arkham Asylum. In addition to BioShock - 1, Call of Duty - World at War, Doom 3 - BFG, Duke Nukem - Forever, Fallout 3, Far Cry 1, Gears Of War 1, Grand Theft Auto - Liberty City, Grand Theft Auto - Vice City, HAWX , L.A. Noire, Lost Planet - Colonies, Sniper - Ghost Warrior and Zombie Driver - Summer of Slaughter all presented particularly impossible to solve compatibility issues among many other games that simply did not install. Seriously are you new? The most common refrain among gamers is... "Does this run on windows 8??" Because so many games DO NOT RUN on windows 8. You'd honestly have to be in the employee of Microsoft to say some of the outright stupid things you are saying. To the early games GTA 1, THE Need For Speed, Starcraft with broodwar, Age of empires, Test drive offroad, Close combat - the Russian front, Commanche 3, Syndacite plus, Silent hunter, Doom 2, Nascar racing 2, Warcraft II, Flight unlimited, Indy racing 2, this list goes on, and on, and on. All of which ran on XP, none of which run on 8.

Passmark 8 is their latest version. It is accurate.

And please stop saying Vista is garbage as though that were news to anyone ....ever. Or even relevant. They are all garbage, post XP. One stillborn design beget the next.

12r2 kills my XP dvd player. My point stands, you've said nothing even remotely accurate or slightly helpful, Alec. Your boot order diatribe is only meant to make XP unbootable. All you do is spew your Microsoft dogma, upgrade propaganda as though joining the chase, from one horrible OS to the next ever solved anything. You'd have to be brain dead to not realize how biased what you say is. You have an agenda, Alec of Microsoft, I will not subscribe to. FOCUS or stop talking!!!

12r2 kills my XP DVD player. [UNANSWERED[

Suggestions, solutions, queries?

 

[COLGeek]

Enough arguing folks. No need to get rude with each other. Please remain civil or move along.

Thanks.

 

[Alec Mowat]

Shouldn't you be out on a ledge somewhere, Alec?

Off the top of my head: Bully, any GFWL game in particular Batman 1 - Arkham Asylum. In addition to BioShock - 1, Call of Duty - World at War, Doom 3 - BFG, Duke Nukem - Forever, Fallout 3, Far Cry 1, Gears Of War 1, Grand Theft Auto - Liberty City, Grand Theft Auto - Vice City, HAWX , L.A. Noire, Lost Planet - Colonies, Sniper - Ghost Warrior and Zombie Driver - Summer of Slaughter all presented particularly impossible to solve compatibility issues among many other games that simply did not install. Seriously are you new? The most common refrain among gamers is... "Does this run on windows 8??" Because so many games DO NOT RUN on windows 8. You'd honestly have to be in the employee of Microsoft to say some of the outright stupid things you are saying. To the early games GTA 1, THE Need For Speed, Starcraft with broodwar, Age of empires, Test drive offroad, Close combat - the Russian front, Commanche 3, Syndacite plus, Silent hunter, Doom 2, Nascar racing 2, Warcraft II, Flight unlimited, Indy racing 2, this list goes on, and on, and on. All of which ran on XP, none of which run on 8.

Passmark 8 is their latest version. It is accurate.

And please stop saying Vista is garbage as though that were news to anyone ....ever. Or even relevant. They are all garbage, post XP. One stillborn design beget the next.

12r2 kills my XP dvd player. My point stands, you've said nothing even remotely accurate or slightly helpful, Alec. Your boot order diatribe is only meant to make XP unbootable. All you do is spew your Microsoft dogma, upgrade propaganda as though joining the chase, from one horrible OS to the next ever solved anything. You'd have to be brain dead to not realize how biased what you say is. You have an agenda, Alec of Microsoft, I will not subscribe to. FOCUS or stop talking!!!

12r2 kills my XP DVD player. [UNANSWERED[

Suggestions, solutions, queries?

Uninstall the Games for Windows Marketplace from Windows 8 and install games for Windows Live from their website:
http://www.xbox.com/en-CA/Live/PC

Everything GFWL will work, I played and finished B:AA 1 on Windows 8.1 with no issues.

The games in that list I own, I purchased after I switched to Windows 8 and I have no had any issues. Far Cry 1 and Crysis are more or less the same, and Crysis ran fine. No stability issues, no crashing. Fallout 3 is fine, GTA is fine, Doom III is fine, Call of Duty I've played, it's fine.

I've got GTA 1 to run pretty quickly, run the GTA fix tool and launched in XP sp3 mode. The graphics were buggy in 640x480, but when I switched to 800x600 it was fine. I didn't need the CPU tool either, game ran smooth. (http://www.neoseeker.com/forums/3246/t1782271-how-to-correctly-run-gta-1-on-windows-7/)

Starcraft, Warcraft II: Battlenet Edition I've installed and ran. I actually installed Warcraft II in App-V and ran it virtually for fun. They've all been patched to run on NT 6.X recently.

I just installed Flight Unlimited in DOSBox 7.4 with 0 issues, ran smooth as well.

Installed AOE off the CD, no issues. I was impressed lol


Yes, 12r2 does not have access to the boot loader. Reinstall the operating systems in the proper order (XP, Vista than 2012) should solve the issue. If not, try disabling Secure Boot in the BIOS.
These operating systems do not use the same type of boot loaders, and that makes a difference when it's pulling driver access. XP uses a boot sector

http://thestarman.narod.ru/asm/mbr/VistaMBR.htm

http://technet.microsoft.com/en-ca/library/hh824898.aspx


Also, see if there is a Legacy BIOS compatibility mode and that might work.

Again; your motherboard no longer supports old operating systems. The new ones come with UEFI support. I don't think Vista even has proper UEFI support. There's no difference between me getting an old game running on a Modern OS vs. you getting an old OS running on modern hardware; you just solving a software compatibility issue and creating a hardware compatibility issue.

Get a second, used computer of Pentium 4 era, grab the best AGP videocard you can find for it. Install XP and maybe duel boot 98SE. Vista is bad because, well, it's bad. You should at least be running Windows 7 64 on that system.

I don't work for MS, but I am MCSA (if that means anything to you).