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USB2 HDTV capable receiver, neat.

http://www.digitimes.com/news/a20050315PR205.html

by 2025 8-VSB will have products like this. If and when they may
actually advertise them also.

The rest of the world gets neat DTV products we get a MANDATE that force
feeds us junk.

Bob Miller
 
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Bob Miller wrote:
> USB2 HDTV capable receiver, neat.
>
> http://www.digitimes.com/news/a20050315PR205.html
>
> by 2025 8-VSB will have products like this. If and when they may
> actually advertise them also.
>
> The rest of the world gets neat DTV products we get a MANDATE that
force
> feeds us junk.

This IS junk. The vast majority of HD viewers want to experience the
viewing on a large scale, not on their 15 or 17" monitors.
 
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Bob Miller wrote:
> USB2 HDTV capable receiver, neat.
>
> http://www.digitimes.com/news/a20050315PR205.html
>
> by 2025 8-VSB will have products like this. If and when they may
> actually advertise them also.
>
> The rest of the world gets neat DTV products we get a MANDATE that
force
> feeds us junk.

In addition, IT'S NOT HD!!!

You stick with your 50 year old NTSC tuners bob.
 
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Bob Miller wrote:
> Larry Bud wrote:
> > Bob Miller wrote:
> >
> >>USB2 HDTV capable receiver, neat.
> >>
> >>http://www.digitimes.com/news/a20050315PR205.html
> >>
> >>by 2025 8-VSB will have products like this. If and when they may
> >>actually advertise them also.
> >>
> >>The rest of the world gets neat DTV products we get a MANDATE that
> >
> > force
> >
> >>feeds us junk.
> >
> >
> > In addition, IT'S NOT HD!!!
> >
> > You stick with your 50 year old NTSC tuners bob.
> >
> But it is HD, read the article,
>
> "The three products require a CPU with a minimum frequency of 600MHz
for
> regular TV viewing, 866MHz for MPEG-2 recording and 2.4GHz for HDTV.
All
> of the new TV tuners also need at least 128MB of RAM and currently
run
> on the Windows XP operating system, the company said."

It says it's an NTSC tuner. Explain how you get HD over NTSC.
 
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> > It says it's an NTSC tuner. Explain how you get HD over NTSC.
>
> Again read the article. "It" is three different receivers.
>
> "The first one, currently named VideoMate DVB-T Stick, is a digital
TV
> (DVB-T) receiver."
>
> and it needs a computer with at least "2.4GHz for HDTV"

So what, DVB-T doesn't necessarily mean HD. It doesn't say it does
ATSC, however it specifically states it supports NTSC. If it does
support ATSC, where are the specs? 720p, or 1080i?? And if it does
support ATSC, what the hell is your beef?

Anyway, it still doesn't solve the issue of a small screen size.
 
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On Wed, 23 Mar 2005, Bob Miller wrote:
> "The first one, currently named VideoMate DVB-T Stick, is a digital TV
> (DVB-T) receiver."

Yawn. DVB-T != HDTV

> and it needs a computer with at least "2.4GHz for HDTV"

That doesn't say that it can *display* HDTV. It just says that the
computer has to be at least 2.4GHz to process an HDTV signal (even if it
only displays SD).

Psycho Bob Miller frequently makes selective and highly misleading
presentations. Among other things, he claims that vaporware press
releases constitute currently-available products, and implies that these
products do more than the press releases actually claim.

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Bob Miller wrote:
> USB2 HDTV capable receiver, neat.
>
> http://www.digitimes.com/news/a20050315PR205.html
>
> by 2025 8-VSB will have products like this. If and when they may
> actually advertise them also.
>
> The rest of the world gets neat DTV products we get a MANDATE that force
> feeds us junk.
>
> Bob Miller


But you're an idiot. So....

There are tons of HDTV PC cards available now with 8-VSB. This device
you pointed out is basically just an external tuner card. What's the
big deal?
 
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Bob Miller wrote:
> USB2 HDTV capable receiver, neat.
>
> http://www.digitimes.com/news/a20050315PR205.html
>
> by 2025 8-VSB will have products like this. If and when they may
> actually advertise them also.
>
> The rest of the world gets neat DTV products we get a MANDATE that
force
> feeds us junk.
>
> Bob Miller

Is THIS what your 8VSB vs COFDM argument has come down to? Man
BOOBSTER, you appear to be more and more desperate every day. This
looks like you've scraped the bottom of the barrel. Pathetic.
 
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Bob Miller wrote:
> Few manufacturers support
> or make 8-VSB products. This one doesn't. Most don't. It is almost
> impossible to get a manufacturer to make 8-VSB receivers.

Golly BOOBSTER,its been about 24 hours since you last said something
like this. I guess you just 'forgot' that there are a TON of 8VSB
receivers, all incorporated into satellite receivers from every service
and every manufacturer. Poor BOOBSTER, add senility to his growing list
of ailments.
 
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cjdaytonjrnos...@cox.net wrote:
>> Are you going to ignore my post Bob?
> Chip

Of course he will Chip!!! BOB MILLER ignores ALL posts that are factual
and prove the fallacy of his lying statements. I've had a Sony HD100,
HD200, RCA DTC100, HD Tivo etc., all of which have beautifully
functioning 8VSB receivers. But lying BOB will simply ignore your post,
my post and the myriad of posts that say the same thing or relate the
excellent experiences with 8VSB reception. This "man" is a lying SOB of
the worst kind. He has no shame, no pride and serves as the
spokesperson for COFDM. Nuff said!
 
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Larry Bud wrote:
> Bob Miller wrote:
>
>>USB2 HDTV capable receiver, neat.
>>
>>http://www.digitimes.com/news/a20050315PR205.html
>>
>>by 2025 8-VSB will have products like this. If and when they may
>>actually advertise them also.
>>
>>The rest of the world gets neat DTV products we get a MANDATE that
>
> force
>
>>feeds us junk.
>
>
> In addition, IT'S NOT HD!!!
>
> You stick with your 50 year old NTSC tuners bob.
>
But it is HD, read the article,

"The three products require a CPU with a minimum frequency of 600MHz for
regular TV viewing, 866MHz for MPEG-2 recording and 2.4GHz for HDTV. All
of the new TV tuners also need at least 128MB of RAM and currently run
on the Windows XP operating system, the company said."

Bob Miller
 
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Larry Bud wrote:
> Bob Miller wrote:
>
>>Larry Bud wrote:
>>
>
>
> It says it's an NTSC tuner. Explain how you get HD over NTSC.
>

Again read the article. "It" is three different receivers.

"The first one, currently named VideoMate DVB-T Stick, is a digital TV
(DVB-T) receiver."

and it needs a computer with at least "2.4GHz for HDTV"

Bob Miller
 
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On Thu, 24 Mar 2005, Stephen Neal wrote:
>> Yawn. DVB-T != HDTV
> It does in Australia...

No it doesn't. *Some* DVB-T in Australia is HDTV. Some is not.

> I'm not a Bob supporter - but DVB-T doesn't equal Standard Def, any more
> than ATSC 8VSB equals High Def. Both are deployed and both can and do carry
> standard and high def services.

Hence the inequality.

This device might be interesting if it is capable of producing a data
stream from incoming DVB-T broadcast television, and that data stream can
be rendered on a computer monitor in high definition.

If so, then it looks like the DVB-T world finally has a product that does
what ATSC tuner cards in the US have done for a few years.

It would be interesting to see what kind of antenna is required for use
with this card. Bob would have us believe that you just plug the dongle
into your laptop and voila! you have a portable HDTV that will work in
your car as you're driving through a tunnel.

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Larry Bud wrote:

>
> So what, DVB-T doesn't necessarily mean HD. It doesn't say it does
> ATSC, however it specifically states it supports NTSC. If it does
> support ATSC, where are the specs? 720p, or 1080i?? And if it does
> support ATSC, what the hell is your beef?
>
> Anyway, it still doesn't solve the issue of a small screen size.
>
This receiver is a DVB-T receiver and it can receive HDTV signals. That
means HDTV.

It does not support ATSC, that is the point. Few manufacturers support
or make 8-VSB products. This one doesn't. Most don't. It is almost
impossible to get a manufacturer to make 8-VSB receivers. I know I am
trying to find one.

Many manufacturers make DVB-T receivers of all kinds. In the UK this
list has 91 different models and there are many more not listed.

http://www.radioandtelly.co.uk/freeviewreceivers.html

This is after only two years of broadcasting in the UK. We have been
doing 8-VSB in the US for seven years, where are the products? Where are
ones that work?

Bob Miller
 
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>> But it is HD, read the article,
>>
>> "The three products require a CPU with a minimum frequency of 600MHz
>for
>> regular TV viewing, 866MHz for MPEG-2 recording and 2.4GHz for HDTV.
>All
>> of the new TV tuners also need at least 128MB of RAM and currently
>run
>> on the Windows XP operating system, the company said."
>
>It says it's an NTSC tuner. Explain how you get HD over NTSC.

Two of the three have NTSC and PAL/SECAM. The other one does DVB-T
(digital TV). It doesn't directly SAY that includes the HDTV formats
other than the later reference to 2.4GHz for HDTV.

Is there any product out there that does analog and digital TV in
one box, with seamless switching between them (e.g. you get both
analog and digital channels by repeatedly pushing the "channel up"
button on the remote)? In the US, this would be a NTSC/ATSC combo
receiver, but I'm not limiting the question to the US. Of course,
the usefulness of such a product goes down as the analog turn-off
date approaches.

Gordon L. Burditt
 
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>> "The first one, currently named VideoMate DVB-T Stick, is a digital TV
>> (DVB-T) receiver."
>
>Yawn. DVB-T != HDTV
>
>> and it needs a computer with at least "2.4GHz for HDTV"
>
>That doesn't say that it can *display* HDTV. It just says that the
>computer has to be at least 2.4GHz to process an HDTV signal (even if it
>only displays SD).

I didn't see anything in there about a display *AT ALL*, and the
term "receiver" to me doesn't imply one. But it's still an interesting
product for use in a do-it-yourself DVR project.

Aren't there already existing products that fit in a computer, and
allow the computer to generate a signal you can feed to any HDTV
monitor and get HDTV resolutions? (outputting what? HDMI, DVI,
or component video?) In other words, a "HDTV video card" which can
generate 720p or 1080i pictures. Or am I mistaken about this?


>Psycho Bob Miller frequently makes selective and highly misleading
>presentations. Among other things, he claims that vaporware press
>releases constitute currently-available products, and implies that these
>products do more than the press releases actually claim.

Gordon L. Burditt
 
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Bob Miller <robmx@earthlink.net> wrote:

> This is after only two years of broadcasting in the UK. We have been
> doing 8-VSB in the US for seven years, where are the products? Where are
> ones that work?
>
> Bob Miller

I have two of them in my house, a Sony HDD-200
and an LG-3200a. Both work great, Bob.
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Gordon Burditt wrote:
>>>But it is HD, read the article,
>>>
>>>"The three products require a CPU with a minimum frequency of 600MHz
>>
>>for
>>
>>>regular TV viewing, 866MHz for MPEG-2 recording and 2.4GHz for HDTV.
>>
>>All
>>
>>>of the new TV tuners also need at least 128MB of RAM and currently
>>
>>run
>>
>>>on the Windows XP operating system, the company said."
>>
>>It says it's an NTSC tuner. Explain how you get HD over NTSC.
>
>
> Two of the three have NTSC and PAL/SECAM. The other one does DVB-T
> (digital TV). It doesn't directly SAY that includes the HDTV formats
> other than the later reference to 2.4GHz for HDTV.
>
> Is there any product out there that does analog and digital TV in
> one box, with seamless switching between them (e.g. you get both
> analog and digital channels by repeatedly pushing the "channel up"
> button on the remote)? In the US, this would be a NTSC/ATSC combo
> receiver, but I'm not limiting the question to the US. Of course,
> the usefulness of such a product goes down as the analog turn-off
> date approaches.
>
> Gordon L. Burditt

I have an ATSC receiver that scans for all stations analog and digital
and you simply click though them all. I can't tell you what the name is
at the moment though.

Bob Miller
 

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"Gordon Burditt" <gordonb.rjjn5@burditt.org> wrote in message
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>>> "The first one, currently named VideoMate DVB-T Stick, is a digital TV
>>> (DVB-T) receiver."
>>
>>Yawn. DVB-T != HDTV
>>
>>> and it needs a computer with at least "2.4GHz for HDTV"
>>
>>That doesn't say that it can *display* HDTV. It just says that the
>>computer has to be at least 2.4GHz to process an HDTV signal (even if it
>>only displays SD).
>
> I didn't see anything in there about a display *AT ALL*, and the
> term "receiver" to me doesn't imply one. But it's still an interesting
> product for use in a do-it-yourself DVR project.
>
> Aren't there already existing products that fit in a computer, and
> allow the computer to generate a signal you can feed to any HDTV
> monitor and get HDTV resolutions? (outputting what? HDMI, DVI,
> or component video?) In other words, a "HDTV video card" which can
> generate 720p or 1080i pictures. Or am I mistaken about this?

Yup, I've been using the Myhd card now for awhile. Before that I had the
Accessdtv card for about three years, but had to change it out for windows
XP.
They work well, we've always had solid OTA recordings [NYC area] of many
different HD shows. I'm up to 3 IDE harddrives [1 terabyte total] and 3 USB2
drives [650 gigs total] now, and I still need more for satellite recordings.
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cjdaytonjrnospam@cox.net wrote:
> Bob Miller <robmx@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> > This is after only two years of broadcasting in the UK. We have been
> > doing 8-VSB in the US for seven years, where are the products? Where
> > are ones that work?
> >
> > Bob Miller
>
> I have two of them in my house, a Sony HDD-200
> and an LG-3200a. Both work great, Bob.
> Chip

Are you going to ignore my post Bob?
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"Larry Bud" <larrybud2002@yahoo.com> wrote in
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>
> Bob Miller wrote:
>> USB2 HDTV capable receiver, neat.
>>
>> http://www.digitimes.com/news/a20050315PR205.html
>>
>> by 2025 8-VSB will have products like this. If and when they may
>> actually advertise them also.
>>
>> The rest of the world gets neat DTV products we get a MANDATE that
> force
>> feeds us junk.
>
> This IS junk. The vast majority of HD viewers want to experience the
> viewing on a large scale, not on their 15 or 17" monitors.

We-ellll, the thing is, if this device would capture an HDTV signal into
my computer, my video card is quite capable of spitting out a 1080i
signal to my big monitor across from my easy chair! :)

And popping audio across to the stereo is no big deal either. It will
even take all six Dolby 5.1 signals on one of its inputs! And the sound
interface in the computer will deliver it. Plus one would hope that the
programming could be snaffled to hard drive for posterity.


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But what is the quality of that videocard conversion circuitry and
components...
I'd bet not as good as most high end Plasma/DLP/LCD displays or DVD players
and especially the iSCAN HD+.

It just wouldn't fit my needs at all, but that's just me.

Dave Oldridge wrote:

>
>We-ellll, the thing is, if this device would capture an HDTV signal into
>my computer, my video card is quite capable of spitting out a 1080i
>signal to my big monitor across from my easy chair! :)
>
>And popping audio across to the stereo is no big deal either. It will
>even take all six Dolby 5.1 signals on one of its inputs! And the sound
>interface in the computer will deliver it. Plus one would hope that the
>programming could be snaffled to hard drive for posterity.
>
>
>
>

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We have had USB2 HD tuner in US for over a year. It is Sasem OnAir USB
HDTV. Besides receiving 8VSB it also does clear QAM from cable and has
full support for DVHS. It was discontinued couple weeks ago. New model
is coming out in 2 weeks.
They also are building a new website. http://www.usbhdtv.com/


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RicSeyler wrote:
> But what is the quality of that videocard conversion circuitry and
> components...
Extremely good. Nvidia and ATI have invested large amounts of money into
hardware-level HDTV support in their video chipsets.
> I'd bet not as good as most high end Plasma/DLP/LCD displays or DVD players
> and especially the iSCAN HD+.
You're mixing apples and oranges here.
>
> It just wouldn't fit my needs at all, but that's just me.
Exactly...right tool for the job.
>
> Dave Oldridge wrote:
>
>>
>> We-ellll, the thing is, if this device would capture an HDTV signal
>> into my computer, my video card is quite capable of spitting out a
>> 1080i signal to my big monitor across from my easy chair! :)
>>
>> And popping audio across to the stereo is no big deal either. It will
>> even take all six Dolby 5.1 signals on one of its inputs! And the
>> sound interface in the computer will deliver it. Plus one would hope
>> that the programming could be snaffled to hard drive for posterity.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
 

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"Bob Miller" <robmx@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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> Many manufacturers make DVB-T receivers of all kinds. In the UK this list
> has 91 different models and there are many more not listed.
>
> http://www.radioandtelly.co.uk/freeviewreceivers.html
>
> This is after only two years of broadcasting in the UK. We have been doing
> 8-VSB in the US for seven years, where are the products? Where are ones
> that work?
>
> Bob Miller

The BBC started broadcasting DVB-T services in the UK in mid-1998, not far
off 7 years ago.... even so we still don't have any HD OTA receivers out of
that list of 91 products, in fact often they barely manage acceptable SD.
 
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