Just a head's up. There's a benchmarking tool avaliable for the UT2K4 demo.

Here's the link;

<A HREF="http://www.hardwareoc.hu/index.php/p/news/y/4611.html" target="_new">http://www.hardwareoc.hu/index.php/p/news/y/4611.html</A>

I'm going to try it after a few rounds later.

'Night all!


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Ok, played a little, then decide to bench before turning in (for the morning).

I found that the Flyby doesn't work, and just sits motionless during demo, (which is says in the readme [missed that]);
<i><font color=purple>Flybys don't work, why?
- Because there's no flyby path for that map in the Demo version of UT2004
- The Botmatch test is VERY CPU dependant!!! The Flyby will be the REAL.</i></font color=purple>

I will mention the night's sporting event to give it my typical benching feel. While pondering what Schumacher's win in Melbourne means for F1 this season I ran the following benchmark.... :cool:

So keeping that in mind, and you guys know my system specs, so here's the results of my first run;

<i><font color=blue>
Resolution: 1024x768
High Quality option, Direct3D renderer

BotMatch - Bridge Of Faith (GameType: Capture the Flag)
Score = 46.313198 FPS

BotMatch - Colossus (Gametype: Bombing Run)
Score = 38.161331 FPS

BotMatch - Convoy (Gametype: Assault)
Score = 21.174124 FPS

BotMatch - Rankin (Gametype: Death match)
Score = 36.012829 FPS

BotMatch - Torlan (Gametype: Onslaught)
Score = 35.454025 FPS

Flyby - Bridge Of Faith (Gametype: Capture the Flag)
Score = 134.951508 FPS

Flyby - Colossus (Gametype: Bombing Run)
Score = 149.706497 FPS

Flyby - Convoy (Gametype: Assault)
Score = 53.573601 FPS

Flyby - Rankin (Gametype: Death match)
Score = 58.216328 FPS

Flyby - Torlan (Gametype: Onslaught)
Score = 74.045807 FPS
</i></font color=blue>

I also like this line in the benchmark tool where it says <i>"We don't found demos"</i> in the Custom Demo section. :wink:


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I don’t want to sound like a wet blanket but this is still the UT2003 engine with some minor engine enhancements addition game modes and weapons. Benchmarking this demo theoretically shows nothing other than... don’t know doesn’t show anything more than what UT2003 showed you.

I was once a die hard Unreal player myself and what they have done to the series is actually quite annoying. What does a tank have to do with a DM session?

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didn't they use the Unreal 2 engine?

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I was once a die hard Unreal player myself and what they have done to the series is actually quite annoying. What does a tank have to do with a DM session?
Funny, I didnt see a tank in deathmatch on the demo.
Benchmarking this demo theoretically shows nothing other than... don’t know doesn’t show anything more than what UT2003 showed you.
If you want to be so negative, then get the hell out of here. Yes the code is primarily the same, but pixel shader 1.1 <b>and</b> 1.4 have been used more extensively in thing's like flames and terrain.



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Oh so now I am being negative or am I being more objective? Tough call I suppose. Either or the game is basically the same they just touched things up a bit and added modes that should have been in UT2003 to begin with.

Also the pixel shading isn’t that great of a deal with considerations they don’t use all that much and the engine isn’t even a 100% build around DX8-9 standards. It’s just a static mesh rendering, high triangle throughput, high rez supporting, Karma physics based DX7 game.

It’s nothing fantastic or overwhelming different. If you take that as being negative and want to tell me to get the hell out of your "zone" then so be it. I’m simply stating the game is more hype than anything, something you don’t need to have sleepless nights over that’s for sure.

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It’s just a static mesh rendering, high triangle throughput, high rez supporting, Karma physics based DX7 game.
Thanks for clearing that up for us, and to think here all along I was mistaking it for a fun to play video game.
Asshat.

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Well, i mean i was looking forward to the new game modes and the adding of like ten million levels. I guess that doesn't mean more fun for me.
Although the 3d graphics don't seem any better i noticed the weapon fire seems a lot smoother and nicer. The terrain as well does look a bit better.
Unreal 2 engine will work great for other games in genre's like MMORPGS. The great thing about unreal is usually you don't need a god system to run it smoothly thanks to it's static meshes and usage of 2d intersections. That's definately good for MMORPG's since most of those kids don't care about computers, they only care about their online wife. :) (don't flame)

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A Thanks for clearing that up for us, and to think here all along I was mistaking it for a fun to play video game.Asshat.
Wow I'm glad we could clear your maturity level up. I would have also accepted Ass monger, ass grubber, ass chomper, and ass face. Just for future insult reference :wink: .

Well, i mean i was looking forward to the new game modes and the adding of like ten million levels.
Honestly now you play all those maps? I’m sorry but as far as UT goes the original did it for me. The game feels franchised.

Also I never criticized the graphics so much as the game play. It doesn’t feel as fast as intense the DM feel is lost to the shiny effect. It saddens me that they approached the game in this manner. But I can respect them at the same time since they are in the business to make money and making titles like EA does it every year is a way to go about it.

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I don’t want to sound like a wet blanket
Sure you do, that's what you're here for. You haven't contributed much positive sofar, so I'd say your specifically here ot be a buzz-kill.

It doesn't matter what the engine is, there are alot of games out there based on the Q3 engine that chugg ALOT slower than Q3 because of the added features.

But then again if you can show me how Q3 and the likes of COD are exactly the same and offer nothing in the way of stress-testing, well then have at it!.

Otherwise post something other than negative BS!

Oh so now I am being negative or am I being more objective?

No, your simply being negative, and ignorant to boot, JackA$$!

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OIC dont like anyone that doesnt see it your way.
Nope, actually I don't like people whose sole contributionis to criticise. You haven't offered jack-squat.

However to clear it up, I don't care if someone as ignorant as you doesn't like it, that wasn't the point of the post.

But I guess that didn't occur to you, not surprising considering your response to Camrack being on TV was basically backtracking by trying to call into question his appearance due to your limeted expeience.

If I wanted your advice I'd ask for it, and believe me that isn't about to happen any time soon.

Within 24 hrts, show me an established well know benchmark like this that hasn't already been posted here, otherwise STFU you Prig!

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I'll have to try your benchmark because back when the demo came out, GW posted a method to benchmark UT2004. I found that I got nearly identical results at any resolution. Very odd results.

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Yeah I remember that thread.


The nice thing about this version is that as long as it can find UT2K4 on your system, then it will do everything automatically (including starting UT2K4).

If you read the ReadMe file it mentions that the Botmatches are VERY CPU-dependant. Flyby is supposed to be the VPU-centric test, but it doesn't work with the demo (you can run it, but really, nothing happens in that segment).


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Nope, actually I don't like people whose sole contributionis to criticise. You haven't offered jack-squat.
Oh what am I supposed to offer, do you want me to wear a UT2004 t-shirt. Run around with a wet shirt and yell UT2004 will own all? Really I can’t say no I don’t think UT2004 is up to par. All I am allowed to say is fan boy talk?

However to clear it up, I don't care if someone as ignorant as you doesn't like it, that wasn't the point of the post.
Ignorant how am I ignorant I don’t like what they have done with the UT series now I ignorant and stupid. Wow the one that comes across as ignorant would be you good buddy. This is a forum where we are supposed to share ideas, thoughts and the lot. Not the; TheGreatGrapeApe forum shut your face if you don’t like what I like forum.

But I guess that didn't occur to you, not surprising considering your response to Camrack being on TV was basically backtracking by trying to call into question his appearance due to your limeted expeience.
LoL now I have no experience because I missed out on a press shoot with Carmack oh golly gosh I better get to the tube and get all this massive earth shattering experience I have been missing out on.

Within 24 hrts, show me an established well know benchmark like this that hasn't already been posted here, otherwise STFU you Prig!
Didn’t I mention UT2003 and UT2004 being the same? Maybe you need to reread my posts since I am pretty sure I did. Also wtf is a prig lol trying to hurt my little ole feewings aw so cute *pinches grapes cheek*.

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Oh what am I supposed to offer,
<b>Nothing!</b>

STFU and move on! Do you <b>HAVE</b> to add your ignorance to everything you read?

Really I can’t say no I don’t think UT2004 is up to par. All I am allowed to say is fan boy talk?
If you bothered to notice this isn't the GAMEs forum DumbA$$! Go post your BS opinion there.

Ignorant how am I ignorant
Two quick examples. A) Your posting your opinion about the GAME here when it's a post about the Benchmark, Duh! Second your comment about it having the same results as UT2K3 is a good second example (especially if it is based on the Unreal][ engine, cause that would mean you're talking out your ass, now wouldn't it? Not surprising though really).

This is a forum where we are supposed to share ideas, thoughts and the lot.
Yeah about graphics cards, and benchmarks that test/stress those. If you can't figure that out, have someone read the title above the forums. BTW, you haven't shared a worhty idea yet IMO, but then again that's MY THOUGHTS on the matter.

now I have no experience because I missed out on a press shoot with Carmack
No if you make statements, then be willing to back them up, not just say, well I don't have a TV, please forgive my <b>IGNORANCE</b>, instead you pawn it off, like it's not your error it's someone else's. Seriously back-peddal some more, it's simply proves my point. You could retract your original statement and say you were wrong, but I guess that never occured to you. Must be something we learned on TV.

Didn’t I mention UT2003 and UT2004 being the same
Yes, and that was a mistake, so your point would be?

BTW, UT2K3 has a bunch of benchies and they show different results between them, so you think a whole rebuild of an exisiting engine would give you the exact same results? Man your more ignorant than I thought.

Also wtf is a prig
Well at least I know the time away from TV wasn't spent eedjumikatin' yourself.

Seriously, give your right hand a rest, and pick up a book!
And don't try to pinch me with those things unless they've been atuoclaved first!


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Oh now you got me wanting to ride this train...
Nothing!

STFU and move on! Do you HAVE to add your ignorance to everything you read?
You sound like you had a bad day dude so temperamental here some co-co.

If you bothered to notice this isn't the GAMEs forum DumbA$$! Go post your BS opinion there.
But you were talking about a game hence I piped up and spoke my opinion. Last I checked the internet and forums for that matter have a hard time sticking to topic. Maybe if you weren’t over reacting you would see that I wanted to say hey this is what I think. It would have been done with I would have assumed but then you started to flame me for no reason other than you feel the need to start flaming. Because as a adult you and I both know we shouldn’t even be bickering like this to begin with just obviously making you agitated and me confused.

Your posting your opinion about the GAME here when it's a post about the Benchmark
K you don’t like that fine dandy do I can deal with that least finally you were clear on the reasoning of why your bitter about it to begin with.

Second your comment about it having the same results as UT2K3 is a good second example
No cant say I said that I can say I said the engines were one in the same that’s for sure. Best way to compare logically would be to wait till 2004 hits the shelves and run the same maps on 2003 and 2004 respectively. But since we can’t do that just yet my speculation that the performance would be near identical still stands since there is no evidence on the contrary to contradicts what I think is the case.

well I don't have a TV, please forgive my IGNORANCE
Unusual I never said that, in-fact I seem to recall I was leaning towards your view on the statement since I don’t have anything to compare to since I have no wish in firing up the TV to see Carmack talking.

BTW, UT2K3 has a bunch of benchies and they show different results between them, so you think a whole rebuild of an exisiting engine would give you the exact same results? Man your more ignorant than I thought.
As I said before we can’t exactly compare the engine builds for apples to apples can we. Since from my "understanding" the maps available for 2004 aren’t available for 2003, last I checked that is.

And don't try to pinch me with those things unless they've been atuoclaved first!
Ahh muffin you are soo cute when your mad *pinches grapes cheek*

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Sure I could do that but Grape seems very upset with me, and from my experience its best to vent this frustration. If he wants to fight all night so that in the morning he feels better I got no problem with that.

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Well I'll go with Makaveli on this one.

I'll simply leave it at, who cares what you think?

You obviously don't know the difference between a benchmark of a game and the actual game itself, nor the use. So any more time spent on you would be a waste.

Now you can go back to pinching yourself, or whatever it is you do to entertain yourself in lieu of TV and reading.


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