[SOLVED] Vega 7 vs GTX 750 Ti

[PhilipMHF]

Hi guys, my current PC is: Intel i3 4170 H81M-C Motherboard GTX 750 Ti 2GB 8 Gb DDR3@1600MHz
I want to get a new system and I have 2 options ahead of me:
1) Intel i5 10400f; H410 Motherboard; GTX 750 Ti, 16 GB DDR4@3200 or 3600MHz. 2) Ryzen 5 Pro 4650G; B450 or B550 Motherboard; 16 GB DDR4@3600MHz; No dedicated GPU.
I know that Ryzen 5000 series APUs are out but they're not available in my country and neither is R7 Pro 4750G. So R5 Pro 4650 is the highest available option.
My dilemma is I don't which one would give me better performance. I play at 1440×900 and my only games are Apex Legends and maybe some Warzone.
And at the moment I cannot afford a second-hand GPU either. I may be able to get a GPU sometime in the future but at the moment I must go with either GTX 750 Ti or the Vega 7. These are literally my only options. Which one do you recommend?
(On a quick note: All available Ryzen CPUs are overpriced in my country. For instance, R5 3600 is 50% more expensive that i5 10400f. R5 4650G is the only rationally-priced Ryzen CPU here. So these are basically my only options. Either sell all of it and get the R5 4650G or get an i5 10400f and keep my GTX 750 Ti)

 

[Koekieezz]

Hi guys, my current PC is: Intel i3 4170 H81M-C Motherboard GTX 750 Ti 2GB 8 Gb DDR3@1600MHz
I want to get a new system and I have 2 options ahead of me:
1) Intel i5 10400f; H410 Motherboard; GTX 750 Ti, 16 GB DDR4@3200 or 3600MHz. 2) Ryzen 5 Pro 4650G; B450 or B550 Motherboard; 16 GB DDR4@3600MHz; No dedicated GPU.
I know that Ryzen 5000 series APUs are out but they're not available in my country and neither is R7 Pro 4750G. So R5 Pro 4650 is the highest available option.
My dilemma is I don't which one would give me better performance. I play at 1440×900 and my only games are Apex Legends and maybe some Warzone.
And at the moment I cannot afford a second-hand GPU either. I may be able to get a GPU sometime in the future but at the moment I must go with either GTX 750 Ti or the Vega 7. These are literally my only options. Which one do you recommend?
(On a quick note: All available Ryzen CPUs are overpriced in my country. For instance, R5 3600 is 50% more expensive that i5 10400f. R5 4650G is the only rationally-priced Ryzen CPU here. So these are basically my only options. Either sell all of it and get the R5 4650G or get an i5 10400f and keep my GTX 750 Ti)

for the buck? i still prefer i3 10100F + B560M Pro4 or Steel Legend and that 750ti.

 

[geofelt]

Best I can tell, GTX750ti still beats vega7
https://www.videocardbenchmark.net/gpu.php?gpu=Radeon+Ryzen+5+PRO+4650G&id=4353
GTX750ti:
http://ftp.videocardbenchmark.net/gpu.php?gpu=GeForce+GTX+750+Ti&id=2815
If your budget permits, see if you can't manage a i5-11400.
Here is a review:

Intel Core i5-11400F Review: The New Value Champ

The Core i5-11400F coupled with a B560 motherboard make for an interesting build configuration, as it's significantly cheaper than the Core i5-11600K/Z590 and less than the cost...

www.techspot.com

 

[PhilipMHF]

for the buck? i still prefer i3 10100F + B560M Pro4 or Steel Legend and that 750ti.

You know, I don't think 4 core is gonna cut it in 2021, and the price difference between 10400f and 10100f is so small that I'd rather pay extra and get the i5 model.

And on the topic of GPU, should I take it that my 2Gb 750 Ti will be better than the Vega 7 on 4650G?

 

[Koekieezz]

You know, I don't think 4 core is gonna cut it in 2021, and the price difference between 10400f and 10100f is so small that I'd rather pay extra and get the i5 model.

And on the topic of GPU, should I take it that my 2Gb 750 Ti will be better than the Vega 7 on 4650G?

far more better, you dont get 2gb ram taken for igpu, you still could overclock the 750ti, you're getting a better cpu for the price without worrying the ram speed, etc.

4650G is not a good player, since how zen 2 works and the cache getting cut down into half or quarter compared to their zen 2 cpu only counterpart, best APU is the 5000 series ones, well they still couldn't catchup the performance of a dedicated gpu when it came to stock performance and overclock performance

TL;DR Go grab that 10400f + a good b560 (b560m pro4 or steel legend or torpedo is fine). your 750ti isn't a total garbage

 

[--SID--]

Problem with the 750 Ti is the 2GB VRAM. For some games it's not enough. Vega 7 can go up to 32GB (if there's that much RAM installed).

 

[InvalidError]

far more better, you dont get 2gb ram taken for igpu

It isn't too much of a big deal when you have 16+GB of RAM. I don't know how well AMD handles it on the desktop but Intel's IGP doesn't use much if any system memory until you either connect a monitor or make applications use it. On my i5-11400, I only have 238MB of hardware-reserved RAM out of 32GB with the IGP enabled and another 1.4GB in-use by FireFox. I'm forcing most applications to use the IGP to conserve VRAM on my GTX1050 for games so I don't run into out-of-VRAM crashes and weirdness.

Problem with the 750 Ti is the 2GB VRAM. For some games it's not enough.

If a game's details cannot be lowered enough to squeeze into 2GB of VRAM, then I doubt it'll be remotely playable on it and the lack of compatibility becomes largely moot.

 

[Koekieezz]

It isn't too much of a big deal when you have 16+GB of RAM

well yeah, as a comparission with 750ti.

Problem with the 750 Ti is the 2GB VRAM. For some games it's not enough. Vega 7 can go up to 32GB (if there's that much RAM installed).

we don't even know what does he play.

 

[PhilipMHF]

we don't even know what does he play.

It is mostly Apex Legends. I wanted to try some warzone but I've got to be careful with my expectations. Warzone is too heavy to be playable on either 750 Ti or Vega 7.
Apex is fine though. I play at 900p and it is kind of playable on my current setup but my 0,1% lows ruin the experience which I assume is due to my i3 4170 which has only 2 cores.

TL;DR Go grab that 10400f + a good b560 (b560m pro4 or steel legend or torpedo is fine). your 750ti isn't a total garbage

On the topic of motherboards, none of the models you mentioned are available in my country and B560 MBs that are available are even more expensive than the i5 10400f.
i5 10400f is around 150 USD and I'll write the names of all the motherboards that are available here.

Asus Prime H510M-K ~ 100 USD
Asus Prime H510M-E ~ 120 USD
Asus Prime H510M-A ~ 125 USD
Asus Prime H510M-D ~ 125 USD
Asus Prime B560M-K ~ 130 USD
Gigabyte B560M DS3H ~ 155 USD
Asus Prime B560-Plus ~ 170 USD
Asus Prime H570-Plus ~ 192 USD
Asus TUF Gaming B560M-E ~ 192 USD
Gigabyte B560 Aorus Elite ~ 196 USD
Gigabyte B560 HD3 ~ 205 USD
Asus TUF Gaming H570-Pro WIFI ~ 210 USD
Asus ROG STRIX B560-F Gaming WIFI ~ 214 USD
Asus ROG STRIX B560-A Gaming WIFI ~ 225 USD
Asus ROG STRIX B560-G Gaming WIFI ~ 232 USD
Asus ROG STRIX B560-E Gaming WIFI ~ 238 USD

I was thinking maybe I should go with the cheapest H510 I can find since i5 10400f can't be overclocked, Intel's 11th Gen CPUs aren't that much better so I won't be upgrading to any 11th Gen CPUs and 1200 socket won't support Intel's 12th Gen CPUs.
There are some other B560 and H510 MBs available but here's the general price range:
H510 boards are between 100 and 130 USD.
B560 boards are between 130 and 230 USD.
H570 boards are between 190 and 250 USD.

I'll be using the i5 10400f (either with stock cooler or I'll get a Cooler Master Hyper 212), my own GTX 750 Ti (It's a Zotac single-fan version), a 250 Gb NVMe SSD, a 1 Tb HDD, 2x8Gb@3200Mhz ram.

It seems like it would be a waste of money to pay extra for something that I'll never use.
There are B460 and H410 MBs available but they are pretty much the same price and they don't support 3200 MHz ram so I should just stick 500 series MBs. What would you recommend?

 

[Koekieezz]

Gigabyte B560M DS3H ~ 155 USD

I would go for this one if you want to cheap the prices, otherwise go for B560 Plus for the ok cheap b560 board

 

[PhilipMHF]

I would go for this one if you want to cheap the prices, otherwise go for B560 Plus for the ok cheap b560 board

May I ask why I should pay the extra for a B560 when I can just get all I want with a H510 board?
As I said, I won't upgrade to 11th gen. The 12th gen is gonna use a different socket. I'll only use 2 ram slots and the CPU can't be overclocked. Is there any reason at all to get a B560 instead of just the cheapest H510?
I must mention that I don't live in the US, I just mentioned the prices in US currency so you'd know about the difference. I live in a country with very poor economy and horrible wages and that 55 dollar difference is really huge for me. I just wanna know if I'm gonna spend that much more, I'll get something for my money.

 

[Koekieezz]

May I ask why I should pay the extra for a B560 when I can just get all I want with a H510 board?
As I said, I won't upgrade to 11th gen. The 12th gen is gonna use a different socket. I'll only use 2 ram slots and the CPU can't be overclocked. Is there any reason at all to get a B560 instead of just the cheapest H510?
I must mention that I don't live in the US, I just mentioned the prices in US currency so you'd know about the difference. I live in a country with very poor economy and horrible wages and that 55 dollar difference is really huge for me. I just wanna know if I'm gonna spend that much more, I'll get something for my money.

They will give you enough feature aside from the ram slots, they're better regulated from intel, you're able to run ram at xmp speeds or even overclock it. 12th gen are going to be expensive at launch anyway, so why bother?