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jimmysmitty

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A few years ago we had Sandy Bridge i5/i7s that hit 4.5GHz on air easily and 5GHz+ under water cooling. Not sure why this is being made a major deal when the TDP of these chips is 2x that of the upcoming i7 4970X and 3x that of a i7/i5 Haswell CPU.

Still to each their own. I guess AMD has to find a way to be somewhat competitive until Steamroller comes out.
 

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AMD learned how to do MARKETING. instead of actually making an innovative product, they've learned to take a seemingly boring product, and make it sound interesting while secretly spending more time to develop the better products.

it's how Intel and Nvidia have beating AMD/ATI all these years. not every project under development will be useful, and if you don't market useless products and make money off of it, then your R&D costs go through the roof and your profits plummet. Just look at Desktop versions of Ivy bridge and Haswell, Intel took something that was optimized for Mobil, made a few tweaks, and then marketed it like hell. now they're making profits from BOTH mobil and Desktop markets for a product that was designed only for one of the two
 

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well, according to the reviews, this thing performs between a 4770k and 3930k stock. to be honest, i'd spend that $885 pn either a 8350 or 3930k. i'm pretty sure that at 5ghz, it doesnt have much oc potential
 

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Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
AMD has Hyper Transport. They kinda had it since 2003.
Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
This was never meant to be an integrated GPU chip, AMDs APU offers a much better GPU on chip.

Still these things are a monster, a monster at gobbling up power. /nom
I don't think anyone really cares about the power these things draw since these are just power hungry versions of their other offerings. This is just a stop-gap until AMD starts offering its Steamroller chips which are in the realm of competitiveness with Intel.
 

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Everyone's always shitting on AMD but they do a good job with what they have. AMD has a tiny budget compared to Intel and they really do make the most out of it.
 

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you kids seem not to understand that while Intel functions on an economical cloned quad-core running 8 threads on 4 cores really slows things down, not only does the 1600MHz memory controller create a bottleneck but this also limits every pc user forcing them to upgrade their whole rig every time they decide to release a new chip. AMD's AM3+ sockest all support 1866MHz memory controllers and actual 1 core per thread for raw computing plus their chips never take a huge bite from the wallet
 

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Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh... he was talking about Hyper THREADING, not TRANSPORT.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HyperTransport
 

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This has to be satire. It just has to be. Right?
 

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is is threaded. they call it 8 cores, but its realistically 4, they just have more of a core than intels thread solution



intel's implementation isn't that good and does have a bottleneck, is also more or less seems like intel required a new motherboard every cpu, while amd its usually just a bios update for a long time.

the amd thread solution, if it went off without a hitch, would have easily beat the crap out of intel, but it wasn't properly integrated from the start, and many programs are still single core. when a program is made with amd in mind, you see that it can match and in some cases beat out i7's. with amd in every console, more specifically the two next gen ones, you will see a shift to support amd over intel or nvidia there, which may follow in other segments. and you also have a revamp of the bulldozer coming... remember the pentium 4, and how intel buried the threading till they fixed it? amd wasn't able to do that, they don't have the money to bury it and only bring it back out when done.
 

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You should look at the pictures of the amd chips and restate this.

 

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The FlexFPU architecture does actually behave like hyper-threading; the logic is that it can handle either one 256-bit instruction at one time, or up to two 128-bit instructions. Therefore, spare capacity is now being exploited when necessary. At least, that's the theory. In practice, even a four-module Piledriver cannot hope to keep up with a desktop i5, despite theoretically offering the same 256-bit AVX performance and double the 128-bit AVX throughput.

Cache is a wonderful thing and something that AMD have generally done differently to Intel. Having lots of cache is one thing (certainly helps with hit rate), but it still has to be fast as well, something which has blighted AMD as of late. In addition, the L1 cache sizes are horribly small with the current FX series. Having Phenom-sized L1 caches may have made a decent difference... who knows?
 

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Intel should be really worried, AMD have secured all the next gen consoles, with their hardware, tablets, laptops, mobile devices, moving into APU, which are brilliant combos of AMD cpu's and Radeon, they know the PC market is dying, clever move.

But there will always be us small band of PC gamers. Glad my PC will soon be AMD Radeon optimized for the next gen games.

Dump your Intel shares and buy AMD.
 

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Every time Intel released a new chipset or socket, the change has been justified.

1366 moved a few things on the CPU.
1156 introduced GPU on chip and was a better priced alternative to 1366.
1155 moved the PCIe controller on the CPU and a few new things.
1150 moved the VRM on the CPU.

AMD did introduce FM1 and FM2 for their APU. If their mainstream line had new things every generation like Intel, then the AM3+ would have to be changed.

EDIT: And current AMD 8 core CPUs are clusters of 2 cores with resources for a single one. It does not have the raw power like a real 8 core or even an Intel 6 core.
 

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First lets discuss memory controllers and their usefulness. Right now, for mainstream such as LGA1155/1150, there is nothing useful in gaming or most mainstream applications about anything above DDR3 1600MHz. Intel knows this, and AMD knows this. At 1600MHz, most higher end Intels push 21GB/s (40-50GB/s on LGA2011) and AMD pushes 18.64GB/s. Games do not know how to use anything that fast. This kind of speed is more useful in servers and workstations but not normal DT. Also, IB-E supports DDR3 1866 and makes sense, as does the FX9K series since both are targeted at either the stupidly rich or workstation users.

Secondly, you don't think paying $900 for a CPU is taking a huge bite from the wallet? You can buy the FX-9590 on Newegg right now (in combo only) and it costs $900 bucks. With no OC headroom, a massive TDP and $900 bucks I think getting a 3930K is a better bet since you can take that extra cash and put towards a better SSD or GPU.



Intel isn't worried. They actually have phones and tablets with CPUs in them and have longer than AMD. They also have the resources to push harder there.

As for "Radeon Optimized", I love my HD7970 Vapor-X but in all honesty until their next GPU (Volcanic Islands) hits, they have nothing competitive and still have work to do on their drivers for CFX. I hope they can at least compete with NVidia but it depends on how the current CEO sees competing.

And no the desktop PC market will never die. I have a Samsung Galaxy S4 and while its a nice phone, it cannot do nearly the same functions as even a entry level PC. There will always be desktop PCs.
 

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ok, from my understanding, hyperthreading is what intel calls there 2 threads on 1 core, its not a real standard, its a marketing word.

intel decided to handle 2 threads more in logic than in cores, amd decided to handle 2 threads with more cores than logic. in theory, amds hyperthreading (i'll use this opposed to threading like i did before) solution beats out intel hands down, but they didn't have the time to shelve it till its ready like intel did.
 

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Actually, Intel's approach requires a very small additional die space for Hyper-Threading. While AMD requires a physical core, and is still less capable than an i7.
 

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im aware, look at the pentium 4 era where hyperthreading was introduced, it was a miserable failure, so they took it out of the cpus till they fixed the problem.

amd is having that same problem with the solution massively underperforming (though in some cases a 300$ cpu comes close to 500$ cpu in performance) but the thing is, amd is handling this threading in a more core than logic way, once they get a handle on things, it should massively outperform intels threading solution.
 

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you are looking at this wrong. remember amd was once beating intel and intel needed to flex a monopoly muscle to keep amd down.

like i said, they match the intel high end in the right conditions. all they have left is to get single core working right and they should be back. and if i remember correctly they got the designer behind the fx (original) back... it may just be 1 or 2 architecture generations away, and with intel dicking around with 5% gains per iteration... amd wont have to much to catch up to.
 
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