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[Rob423]

Why are the FPS scores MOSTLY better for the AMD system's?





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[Col_Kiwi]

1) What test are you talking about?

2) Depending on your answer to #1, fairly likely the answer is "they're not".

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[Rob423]

on the opening page when i go to Tomshardware.com.. it says

VGA CHARTS - Part 1 - HIGH END SYSTEMS

or you can find that in the Graphics GUIDE

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[Rob423]

For ALMOST every Test... the Athlon System' is ahead of the P4 rig

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[Col_Kiwi]

Ah, you meant the VGA Charts.

Yes, the AMD system wins by a few fps on most every test. The reason is that they used an nForce2 mobo with it, and it's staggered dual DDR and very aggressive timings give the AXP the extra boost it needs to win. The P4 on the other hand gets the not-so-impressive 845PE.

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[Rob423]

Ohhh Ok thanks..



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[eden]

Not-so-impressive, wow man you really must not have been with the times...
The i845PE is the best Intel chipset yet, combining value and aggressive performance far beyond what the 845 could do before.
This is one of the best chipsets out there, and is like a KT266 with the A.
It's what the 845 was meant to perform like.
In many real world applications for office or productivity, the 845PE can dust the PC1066 systems.

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[hartski]

He's is prolly comparing Nforce2 and the 845PE. As I believe 845PE doesn't have dual channel DDR and Nforce2 does. But yah compared to 845E the 845PE is a great chipset.

 

[Col_Kiwi]

He's is prolly comparing Nforce2 and the 845PE. As I believe 845PE doesn't have dual channel DDR and Nforce2 does. But yah compared to 845E the 845PE is a great chipset.

Quite true.
845PE is better then any other 845, but that doesn't say much now does it? It's a great chipset, but it's no nForce2! Before a P4 system can keep up with an AXP + nF2 in highly memory intensive apps at similarily scaled CPU clock, we need either SiS655 or Springdale (I <b>think</b> thats the name of the next intel DCDDR chipset.. right?).

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[Spitfire_x86]

The reason is that they used an nForce2 mobo with it, and it's staggered dual DDR and very aggressive timings give the AXP the extra boost it needs to win

Both system used 2-2-2-5 setting. So not only the Athlon system used very agressive timings.

And i845PE is the best performing P4 chipset after i850E.

This article showed DDR P4 users that P4 3.06 GHz + DDR falls behind of more than half cheaper AXP 2700+

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[eden]

Yes I agree on that one. I think if nVidia had done an nForce2 on Pentium 4s, we'd be seeing some unbelievable ceilings of performance.
If only Intel would stop this stupid license tag and let nVidia in the boat for less.

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[Col_Kiwi]

Exactly. I know a fellow who used to work as a programer at nVidia, he was quite frustrated whenever the subject came up that Intel wouldn't give nVidia a license. Apparantly his best guess at the reason AMD will and Intel won't is that AMD loses money on their crappy chipsets, and therefore wants to pawn off that business, whereas Intel's chipsets are popular and bring them plenty of profit, so they don't want any more third party manufactuers making chipsets.

Makes sense to me.

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[Col_Kiwi]

The latency timings of 2-2-2-5 may be the same but they're not the only thing that makes a difference. The nForce2 uses it's dual DDR channels in a staggered access mode, allowing for lower latency access times.

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[Rob423]

AMD seeks out another Victory!!

lol.. YAHH AMD!

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[Col_Kiwi]

It's nVidia's victory that the nForce2 is a great chipset, not AMD's!

The nForce2 could just as easily have been a P4 chipset and not AXP, or better yet both...

It's nVidia's engineering that creates the nForce2's excellence, not AMD's CPU.


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[Rob423]

hey man i was only foolin...

yeah your right.. YEA! nVIDIA!! for leading the amd RIG to Victory!!

i knew that little comment would spark up some kind of a P4 Vs AMD argument.. i just wanted to see all the excuses the p4' users can come up with

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[Col_Kiwi]

Yea for nVidia indeed!


As for the bit about excuses... there aren't any needed, among those knowledgeable on the subject it's common knowledge that the northwood is a superior performer and that the nForce2 is a better chipset.

As always in the hardware industry, it's not black and white, there's a lot of in-between...

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[Rob423]

indeed it is a better chipset!

im glade to see nVidia getting more involved

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