Viewsonic 930b or Samsung 970P?

[VSD]

Any experience. I am looking for a fast monitor with excellent black depth.

Regards.

 

[colinm1]

There is no comparison, go for the 970P much superior although much more expensive.

 

[cjmart1]

Ihave just bought a 970P and I just can say nothing but good things. Good balance between color quality and reasonable speed (6 ms GTG)

Superb.

 

[ddekany]

Yes, 970P looks good as far as I can say (I'm using it for a week). However, a note for those who are looking for 8 bit (aka 24 bit) monitors: Despite that it's S-PVA and officially said to be 16.7M colors, it's a 6 bit monitor that uses dithering. I have wrote an article about it... it's not translated to english yet, but for those who are somewhat experienced in the topic, the images will be enough anyway: article about 970P dithering (if this is down: mirror)

 

[cjmart1]

That document seems to say what you point out. Anyway here we have to choose who do we believe. I personally believe the manufacturer, because of test colour that can be found here:
http://www.behardware.com/articles/602-10/19-lcd-survey-2-3-4-6-8-ms-and-above.html
These results are before calibration and the PVA panel that 970p has, is one of the best three in test, along with LaCie and Eizo (reputable quality brands)
It's hard for me to believe dithering techniques would have score that high. If so, I would have to admit Samsung has any sort of dithering engineering magician, enough to put almost any colour below delta 3, just only like LaCie and Eizo (the only monitor including a colorimeter, above $300)
In the other hand, it is not very logical to mount a 18 bit PVA panel 6 ms and apply dithering, while you could have mounted a TN+film panel, 18 bit 3 ms and apply dithering as well. Where is the sense?
Commercial war takes any type of movements and we consumers are victims. But this forum helps A LOT!!!!!
Thank you all.

 

[ddekany]

You believe to the manufacturer... well, independently of this concrete issue, the last enitiy I believe to is a corporation. They regularly lie. Anyway, dithering is something that is concretelly visible. So, I will believe to my eyes. Yes, of course you haven't seen it... but maybe the photos are a proof.

Regarding your question about why they don't use TN then. PVA looks better since it has wider viewing angles and maybe darker black, and these properties has nothing to do with the number of bits. And as far as I understand, PVA is about how the liquid crystals are aligned and twisted. So technically it hardly determines how many bits the source drivers and like use per subpixel.

 

[VSD]

Samsung 970P: I can get it to work only in analog mode. Are you using it in digital mode?. If so, please, what cable are you using?. I have failed with a DVI-D cable.

Regards

 

[colinm1]

VSD

Iam using DVI-I cable which is supplied with monitor, works fine, cannot understand why yours doesn't unless theres a problem with your graphics card? or the cable could be faulty?

 

[xr1140]

Yes, 970P looks good as far as I can say (I'm using it for a week). ...

since you are using an 970P i want to ask you something about this LCD, can it run games (let`s say) in a smaller resolution than native one without streching the picture to fill the screen. sorry for expressing myself so chubby but i don`t know the exact name of that feature

 

[ddekany]

It did streching, so circles become ovals.

 

[Dannyd]

Ah, sorry to dig up an old thread but it seemed relevant seeing as thouhg I'm currently trying to decide between the Viewsonic 930b and the Samsung 971P

Is it ok to assume that the 971P is an upgrade of the 970P? If so, seeing as though the 970P seems to be the overwhelming favourite in this thread, does this mean the 971P wins hands down?

Pardon my ignorance, I'm not en expert on these matter but understand the 'technical attributes' don't always equate to great performance and if I'm going to buy, I don't want to be disappointed.

 

[Hose]

Ah, sorry to dig up an old thread but it seemed relevant seeing as thouhg I'm currently trying to decide between the Viewsonic 930b and the Samsung 971P

Is it ok to assume that the 971P is an upgrade of the 970P? If so, seeing as though the 970P seems to be the overwhelming favourite in this thread, does this mean the 971P wins hands down?

Pardon my ignorance, I'm not en expert on these matter but understand the 'technical attributes' don't always equate to great performance and if I'm going to buy, I don't want to be disappointed.

You can check Samsung's website and see the 970P is listed as having "PVA panel", while the 971P is listed as "SPVA".

There is some issue about the 970P using "6-bit + FRC" color, while the 971P's SPVA is supposed to be "True 8-bit". If we can believe them, the 971P should be an upgrade. Many users wouldn't notice the difference in color quality, even if told to look for it.... especially if there were no standard reference for comparison. And of course, almost none of us would have that.

 

[Hose]

Yes, 970P looks good as far as I can say (I'm using it for a week). ...

since you are using an 970P i want to ask you something about this LCD, can it run games (let`s say) in a smaller resolution than native one without streching the picture to fill the screen. sorry for expressing myself so chubby but i don`t know the exact name of that feature

You want to run in native resolution if at all possible. It's good to try your monitor at different resolutions so that you know which look decent when you can't use native. At some settings, the display might be unreadable.