lumper

Distinguished
Feb 8, 2002
191
0
18,680
hi fellas,
i am helping a friend out at the moment and he is having some performance issues with his 9600.
he is using a giga-byte ga-7nnxp board.
i was wondering if anyone could tell me the "safe" limits on the agp voltage, i am wondering if setting it a little higher will help him.
we have already from a clean install done all updates, loaded the motherboard drivers, etc.. latest cats.
checked the settings , but we are scoring about half normal scores in most benches, most noteably 3dmark 2001se bld 330.
ane help would be great. thanks

specs,


asus p4p800 deluxe 800 fsb bios 1007
p4 2.6c ht supported 800 fsb
ati 9700 pro stock 3.2 cats
western digital raptor sata 10k hard drive
corsair twinmx pc3200 dual channlel llpt
5.1 live
500 watt antec psu
liteon 52x24x52 cd/rw
etc....

3dmark 2003 5700
http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k3=918308


3dmark 2k1 se 18780
http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=6638847
 
Don't fudge with the AGP voltage too much, it makes it unstable quick and can fry your card.

I'll check and post back later if I find the max from Rage3D. (If I have time)

BTW, your specs and your question do not match, please review.


- You need a licence to buy a gun, but they'll sell anyone a stamp <i>(or internet account)</i> ! - <font color=green>RED </font color=green> <font color=red> GREEN</font color=red> GA to SK :evil:
 

agcheavin

Distinguished
Jan 20, 2004
255
0
18,780
What are the specs for your Mates board ? you say he has a 9600 and yet your specs say:

asus p4p800 deluxe 800 fsb bios 1007
p4 2.6c ht supported 800 fsb
ati 9700 pro stock 3.2 cats
western digital raptor sata 10k hard drive
corsair twinmx pc3200 dual channlel llpt
5.1 live
500 watt antec psu
liteon 52x24x52 cd/rw
etc....

Also, what are the scores for 3Dmark 2001 that he's getting, that would be a help as well, is his card a 9600, 9600 pro, 9600 XT, chip details, chipset details and RAM..all this would be a great help.

Gary


....................
<font color=red>AMD 2700 XP<font color=red>
<font color=red>PC 9600XT<font color=red>
<font color=blue>ASUS A7N8X deluxe<font color=blue>
<font color=blue>1024 meg DC DDR 3200<font color=blue>
....................
 

lumper

Distinguished
Feb 8, 2002
191
0
18,680
yeah sorry i should have been more clear, the specs were mine.
his system is the
giga-byte ga-7nnxp motherboard,
xp 2700 @ 2800
mushkin black 2x256 pc3200
excalibur 9600se agp
antec 480 blue
maxtor's etc..
ever changing, lol
anyway he replaced a ti4200 with an excaliber 9600 ati se card and his score on 3dmark went from 13k to 6k.
now i havent even looked it up and ive not owned any 9600's or se cards, so i told him to do a compare on the site where he benched it and make sure others are scoring that high and they were in the range of 13 to 15k.
so he is tryign to deduce where his slowdown is, as i said we have been through all the basics, ( collectively the two of us have put together no less than a dozen systems this year probably more and are pretty good at setting them up.)
so anyway his score with that rig now is 6k, down from 13k with a slower cpu and the ti4200.
any ideas?
maybe the "se" just isnt a performer as compared to other 9600's? or perhaps his card is bad?
thanks again for reding and any help.
 

agcheavin

Distinguished
Jan 20, 2004
255
0
18,780
Coming from an Nvidia card to an ATI card means that you MUST uninstall ALL nvidia Graphics card drivers on your system. The basic "uninstall" function doesn't remove them all, and you need a program like Driver Cleaner 2.6 to ensure that this is done correctly.

Also ensure that Vsync is disabled in the driver settings, I know it's pretty obvious but it's easily missed sometimes.

Also The 9600se card is an entry level 9600, ie: slower. I have the 9600 XT with the same chip he has and I only get around 12500 which i am told is about average. I also run 512 meg of dual channel Ram and an Nforce2 based MoBo which is the fastest chipset for AMD chips.

Not being all that sure what chipset you use, i would recomend updating your chipset drivers either the VIA Hypernions or if you have the Nforce 2 based board then nVidias chipset drivers.

I hope this helps, best guess though is that there are still nvidia driver remnants in your system.

Gary

....................
<font color=red>AMD 2700 XP<font color=red>
<font color=red>PC 9600XT<font color=red>
<font color=blue>ASUS A7N8X deluxe<font color=blue>
<font color=blue>1024 meg DC DDR 3200<font color=blue>
....................
 
The 'SE' is a 'DOG' R9600.

IT has half the bandwidth per clock rate as a regular R9600/Pro because it has 64 bit wide memory, while the others have 128 bit memory. This significantly hampers the power of the R9600 series, as it is very reliant on memory (shows the biggest return in overclocking throughout all lines [and that's taking into account effective memory speeds]).

Moving from a GF4ti to an R9600<b>SE</b> is a step DOWN actually.

And while the 3Dmk01 scores still seem a little low (it is 2001 after all and heavily system dependant) it would not surprise me that the R9600 would rob it of enough power to bring it down pretty low. And likely like others have said, there may be niggling remnants of the nV drivers on that system which simply exacerbate the problem.

Basically, if he can, he should return the R9600SE, and either sitck with the GF4ti (which will carry him through to the next generation), or get a better card R900PRO would be my minimum upgrade suggestion or an FX5700 or FX5900XT/SE/LE/etc.



- You need a licence to buy a gun, but they'll sell anyone a stamp <i>(or internet account)</i> ! - <font color=green>RED </font color=green> <font color=red> GREEN</font color=red> GA to SK :evil: