Question Wait for 15th Gen?

[Dibbley247]

So.

I need to completely update my whole PC as I'm running i7 8700k with 1080ti.
It's served me very well over the years, but I'm now doing SIM racing with triple 1440 and obviously, I'm needing to dial some settings down!

I'm about 3 weeks away from having g the cash for a 4090 & PSU.

I know il have a bottle neck, but at least I have the GPU to crank my settings up, and it's ready for the new board & CPU when I have that saved up.

Question is, does anyone know any info about the newer 15th gen chips to either wait until then, and I have an upgrade path later.
Or historically, am I not going to miss out too much but going with 14700 or similar CPU?

Thanks

 

[hotaru.hino]

If you can wait, then wait.

If you need something now, get it now.

 

[Eximo]

Remains to be seen. AMD is the logical choice if you are building today.

LGA1700 is plenty good for now. Not like it will stop performing all of a sudden. A 14700k will easily keep you until Intel's NEXT socket.

Also if you have some decent highspeed DDR4, you could keep it with an Intel chip right now. Otherwise jumping into DDR5 early means you might have a slower speed than will be commonly available a few years from now.

Just like DDR3 or DDR4 starting out lower and then the common enthusiast speed becoming the normal speed OEMs sell. DDR3 1600, DDR4 3200.

 

[COLGeek]

The one benefit from always waiting for the next generation is that you spend less money (as in none).

I assume you are buying the 4090 and PSU regardless of when you upgrade the CPU/motherboard/memory. If so, those won't pair well with your older tech. Your current gear will hold the 4090 back significantly.

 

[Dibbley247]

If you can wait, then wait.

If you need something now, get it now.

I could wait.
But I know there's a few people who know alot more info than the average Joe here. And if their expertise recommend waiting for the next one, I'll wait.
Or if it's not going to be worth it for the 1st year of this next CPU type, I'll go with 14th.

 

[Dibbley247]

The one benefit from always waiting for the next generation is that you spend less money (as in none).

I assume you are buying the 4090 and PSU regardless of when you upgrade the CPU/motherboard/memory. If so, those won't pair well with your older tech. Your current gear will hold the 4090 back significantly.

Yes, I get ill have a bottle neck, but I'll also see a big jump in performance still, and I've got the card already for the upgrade.

It was suggested to get an interim card like a 4070. But I don't like the idea of forking out for that, then save up longer for the full PC build, and having to sell the 4070 at a small loss.

It's only a couple of months with a bottlenecked 4090, which I can live with, as the performance increase from what I have now will outweigh it I feel for now.


I don't know historically, the performance gains from each gen CPU.
My main concern with getting 14th gen, is that's the last socket type, so there's no further upgrade paths. So all I could upgrade to is an i9 if I'm bottlenecking a future 50/60 series card.

Or worst case, I buy into Arrowlake, and find it's plagued with issues as it's supposed to be a complete overhaul??? (No idea what this entails) And I should have gone 14th.
I've never followed hardware that close to know it that well.
I just research at the time I need new gear 😂


Long term, the SIM rig will go from triple 1440 to triple 4k.

 

[Lafong]

I could wait.
But I know there's a few people who know alot more info than the average Joe here. And if their expertise recommend waiting for the next one, I'll wait.
Or if it's not going to be worth it for the 1st year of this next CPU type, I'll go with 14th.

"Worth it" involves speculation about how much better 15th gen will be and what the asking price will be.

Release date is unknown, believed to be fall 2024 or later.

You can pound Google for insight into anticipated performance, but it is all guesswork.

For your use case, the advantage could be 4 percent or 14 percent or?? Whether that would be "worth it" would be entirely up to you.

You don't have much choice but to wait for better info. If you cannot wait that long (probably several months), go with 14th now.

 

[Dibbley247]

Remains to be seen. AMD is the logical choice if you are building today.

LGA1700 is plenty good for now. Not like it will stop performing all of a sudden. A 14700k will easily keep you until Intel's NEXT socket.

Also if you have some decent highspeed DDR4, you could keep it with an Intel chip right now. Otherwise jumping into DDR5 early means you might have a slower speed than will be commonly available a few years from now.

Just like DDR3 or DDR4 starting out lower and then the common enthusiast speed becoming the normal speed OEMs sell. DDR3 1600, DDR4 3200.

I really did look at AMD this time around, as I was impressed with what they have & for the price. And all the benchmarks pointed to AMD.
But, the only thing swaying me to Intel, was down to all the video & photo editing I'm also doing. Don't think it makes too much difference, but I would also be streaming/capturing alot too once setup.

 

[Dibbley247]

"Worth it" involves speculation about how much better 15th gen will be and what the asking price will be.

Release date is unknown, believed to be fall 2024 or later.

You can pound Google for insight into anticipated performance, but it is all guesswork.

For your use case, the advantage could be 4 percent or 14 percent or?? Whether that would be "worth it" would be entirely up to you.

You don't have much choice but to wait for better info. If you cannot wait that long (probably several months), go with 14th now.

I did look around this week, with not alot of difference apart from speculation from about 4 months ago, which we know is complete click bait/speculation.

Maybe I should look I to it more when I've got the funds to purchase the rest of the PC, and see what more reliable info is out then before pulling the trigger.
I overthink everything I do too much! Sometimes a little bit of info can be too much 😂

 

[Lafong]

Maybe I should look I to it more when I've got the funds to purchase the rest of the PC, and see what more reliable info is out then before pulling the trigger.

Good idea. I certainly would try to buy parts all at once when the money is in hand, rather than spread out over months. You could end up with DOA motherboard or RAM sitting on the shelf, undiagnosed.

 

[35below0]

So.

I'm about 3 weeks away from having g the cash for a 4090 & PSU.

You ask about waiting on intel's 15th gen. What about nvidia's 50XX series? Due to come out in Q1 2025 and expected to bring a huge performance upgrade.

So you could get more performance for the money you're about to spend on a 4090. In theory.

On the one hand you're buying a top-end GPU. You will be fine for years and few of the 50XX series will even be a match for your 4090.
On the other, you could get a 5090 for similar money. But you'd have to wait almost a year.

As others have said, a 13th/14th gen LGA1700 build pays off immediately and is going to last many years. DDR5 isn't exactly slow. I'd rather have a DDR5 board. Even with higher latency (CL28,CL30) it's still more than a match for DDR4, and the DDR5 kits are only going to get better. Even medium tier motherboards support speeds up to ~8000Mhz, though with a lot of asterisks****


I wonder if it would be a better idea to spend around $500 for a RX 7800XT? You can sell it later to get some money back, and invest in another long term build? You will have better choices in 10-12 months than today.