Wait till Haswell?

[camohanna]

I am soon to be building my first gaming computer and it is based on the i5 3570k. I am wondering if i should wait till haswell is released? The processors will be released like the i5 and i7's, doing 1st, then 2nd and 3rd gens? This is why i am considering just going with my Ivy Bridge.. I dont want to wait 4 months for my rig if i am only going to bet getting a little boost to my gaming performance. Its not like its a new GPU...

 

[drew13]

Go ahead and get a 3570k, from what I hear it's going to be a little little boost from Ivy Bridge.

 

[camohanna]

Thanks for the reply. Thats what i thought too. If they are (somehow) a major leap up, i can always overclock my i5 to match it. I heard that Intel wont make the leap unless AMD brings out some uber-cpu that is better than its one's.

 

[drew13]

NP, GL with your build.
BTW, Microcenter has 3570k's at 169 dollars. I'm going to get mine today in 3 hours when it opens. If you have a Microcenter near you I would go ahead and pick one up from there.

 

[EzioAs]

If you really REALLY need an upgrade right now, stop waiting. Unless it's within 2-1 month of the product release, it's quite a waste of time to wait more.

 

[camohanna]

Thanks for reply! Does anyone know the performance markup of haswell compared to ivy bridge?

 

[Grass Peer]

If you need to upgrade now, upgrade, if you can wait then why not?
I'm waiting until summer to build my haswell pc.

 

[EzioAs]

Anandtech did an analysis on the architecture http://www.anandtech.com/show/6355/intels-haswell-architecture/5

 

[Grass Peer]

Thanks for reply! Does anyone know the performance markup of haswell compared to ivy bridge?

It may be the usual 10-15% but there's more to it than that, there's a lot of new functionality built in with the new microarchitecture.

http://www.realworldtech.com/haswell-cpu/
"Intel’s Haswell CPU is the first core optimized for 22nm and includes a huge number of innovations for developers and users. New instructions for transactional memory, bit-manipulation, full 256-bit integer SIMD and floating point multiply-accumulate are combined in a microarchitecture that essentially doubles computational throughput and cache bandwidth."

 

[camohanna]

Will it increase my gaming performance by a significant amount? And when it comes out, it will be really expensive, so will the extra money be worth the performance?

 

[EzioAs]

The i5 and i7 gaming performance increase is probably a little. However, as you increase the resolution to 1080p or higher, it's probably non existent because you'll be limited by you video card first by then.

Perhaps we might see better gaming improvements for the dual core i3s and pentiums though word around the net is Intel is phasing out dual cores in the future

 

[camohanna]

Aw, my poor Pentium 4. You run like a beast!

 

[Grass Peer]

Will it increase my gaming performance by a significant amount? And when it comes out, it will be really expensive, so will the extra money be worth the performance?

Well, If we're talking strictly video gaming and overclocking and performance potential then:

It should be a good performance boost right from the start but considering it's also the first truly optimized core for 22nm it may have better overclocking potential as well.

 

[camohanna]

I am mainly talking about will it make my games's run faster. I dont believe it will make that much of a difference, its the GPU that makes the difference

 

[Grass Peer]

I am mainly talking about will it make my games's run faster. I dont believe it will make that much of a difference, its the GPU that makes the difference

Graphics cards should be upgraded every few years though if you want to play at consistently high settings and it's affordable too. But upgrading the processor/motherboard/ram is not cheap.

 

[camohanna]

Graphics cards should be upgraded every few years though if you want to play at consistently high settings and it's affordable too. But upgrading the processor/motherboard/ram is not cheap.

Heh, that's my 5yr old computer, can still run like 10 chrome tabs at once, runs like a beast. I am building a new computer with a i5 3570K and thats the whole reason behind this topic..

 

[Grass Peer]

If you're still running a pentium 4 and would need to upgrade before summer or may, go with ivy bridge.

I have an Amd Athlon x64 and naturally, my processor should outlast a pentium 4. So maybe it's meant to be that way. 😛

I highly recommend reading this though and making your own opinion.
http://www.realworldtech.com/haswell-cpu/
"Haswell is the first family of SoCs that have been tailored to take advantage of Intel’s 22nm FinFET process technology. While Ivy Bridge is also 22nm, Intel’s circuit design team sacrificed power and performance in favor of a swift migration to a process with a radically new transistor architecture. "

I've read that Intel themselves are surprised by realworldtech's details sometimes.

 

[manofchalk]

From what I have gathered about Haswell it will be more of a power efficiency boost rather than performance. Might be worth waiting for if your after a laptop or mobile device, but wouldn't bother on a desktop.
My plan is to stick with my 3570k until Skylake, the architecture after Haswell. By then I figure it will actually need to be upgraded.

Just remember that the Phenom II x4's are 3yrs old now and are still enough for gaming.

 

[trumpeter1994]

My Core 2 quad which as of last week I've owned for 4 YEARS still rips through anything I throw at it, I will say though that I think I'm done building around it now. I plan on migrating parts such as my 670 to a new build based on haswell this summer, I'll throw my old 460 in with the C2Q keep it as a secondary rig.

 

[Grass Peer]

From what I have gathered about Haswell it will be more of a power efficiency boost rather than performance. Might be worth waiting for if your after a laptop or mobile device, but wouldn't bother on a desktop.
My plan is to stick with my 3570k until Skylake, the architecture after Haswell. By then I figure it will actually need to be upgraded.

Just remember that the Phenom II x4's are 3yrs old now and are still enough for gaming.

You're absolutely right about the power efficiency, but it's just a bonus. Performance and overclocking potential are improved right with it.

"Intel’s circuit design team sacrificed power and performance in favor of a swift migration to a process with a radically new transistor architecture."

In my opinion, just like ivy bridge was called a "tick+", Haswell with a mature 22nm FinFET process technology and the new microarchitecture should be called a tock+.

My Core 2 quad which as of last week I've owned for 4 YEARS still rips through anything I throw at it, I will say though that I think I'm done building around it now. I plan on migrating parts such as my 670 to a new build based on haswell this summer, I'll throw my old 460 in with the C2Q keep it as a secondary rig.

I'm planning on doing pretty much the same thing.

 

[trumpeter1994]

Also at the same clock rates Haswell is reported to perform 5-15% better, and assuming the stock clock rates on cpus continue to climb this should provide a larger than just 5-15% increase in performance prior to overclocking..... Really want to know how haswell is going to overclock as that will probably play a HUGE part of the decision as to whether i build around it or ivy bridge this summer.

 

[camohanna]

From what I have gathered about Haswell it will be more of a power efficiency boost rather than performance. Might be worth waiting for if your after a laptop or mobile device, but wouldn't bother on a desktop.
My plan is to stick with my 3570k until Skylake, the architecture after Haswell. By then I figure it will actually need to be upgraded.

Just remember that the Phenom II x4's are 3yrs old now and are still enough for gaming.

Yeah, its a bit like the generations of i5 cores, many people only upgraded for the 2500K/3570K

 

[trumpeter1994]

You're absolutely right about the power efficiency, but it's just a bonus. Performance and overclocking potential are improved right with it.

"Intel’s circuit design team sacrificed power and performance in favor of a swift migration to a process with a radically new transistor architecture."


I'm planning on doing pretty much the same thing.

Yeah rather than having to buy a ton of new parts I put together a list and with a 3770k on there right now the total is only coming to like 1.1k since I'll be migrating some non-outdated parts. 😀
And thats with a water loop(it'll be my first time putting one together, and i'm pretty excited about it).

 

[Grass Peer]

Also at the same clock rates Haswell is reported to perform 5-15% better, and assuming the stock clock rates on cpus continue to climb this should provide a larger than just 5-15% increase in performance prior to overclocking..... Really want to know how haswell is going to overclock as that will probably play a HUGE part of the decision as to whether i build around it or ivy bridge this summer.

I've read that Broadwell will be even more of an overclocking monster though, I'm unsure if Intel can really do 14nm that reliably though. So probably the safest bet is to... wait for Skylake! 😀
Just kidding though, I'm not going to wait for anything but Haswell.

 

[camohanna]

Well we will all see. I do doubt whether many people with sandy/ivy cores will upgrade to haswell as soon as it is released. Its probably safer to wait until they have refined it anyway..