Waste of money, R7-360 vs 750 ti vs GTX 960?

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Not for gaming just general desktop machine, 3x monitors, video transcoding most intense workload, all ready failed on junk HIS r7 260x, and a evga gtx 570 that works great until you installed the nvidia drivers then it all bsod's all the time (nvlddmkm.sys PAGE_FAULT_IN_NONPAGED_AREA)

I'm thinking the gtx 960 is way overkill and would leave me cpu bound and cost 2x for the privilege. I'm leaning towards the Zotac 750ti, (still have the 260x in a drawer so not amd fanboy currently) and based on my Zotac 550ti card that that despite MASSIVE abuse, and being pulled from the junk drawer to many times to recall, it solders on..

Sapphire Radeon R7 360 2GB GDDR5 $75
ZOTAC NVIDIA GeForce GTX 750 Ti 1GB GDDR5 $85
EVGA GeForce GTX 960 2GB SSC GAMING ACX 2.0+ $165
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Sidebar buy HIS if you NEVER want a bios fix..
My prob, black screening fixed by bios update by by non-sucky vendors..
HIS bios v015.039 (no updates EVER)
vs
XFX bios v015.048 (9 updates, well 9+ version #'s at least)
 
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This is why I always recommend Sapphire, ASUS and XFX for GPU's, they tend to have the best support and quality.

If you are asking opinions between the 360x, 750ti and 960...The 360x is faster, but the 750ti uses less power and isn't far behind. The 960 is a decent card, but it is handily beat at that price by the R9 380.

Have you considered the GTX 950 or R9 380? They are the best cards at their price ranges.
 
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The R9 380 a little pricey, the 950 is in the game though with EVGA GeForce GTX 950 2GB ACX 2.0 GAMING, Silent Cooling Graphic Card 02G-P4-1955-KR, it looks like my EVGA 600w Bronze (100-B1-0600-KR) should be enough for this card?
 
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1) You may have an issue not related to the graphics card, though it's not certain.

2) If for non-gaming, no need to spend too much money. Get whatever card has support for all of your monitors.

3) Newer cards do have H.265 support, but I wouldn't spend much yet, and you may not even care about that, or even use video acceleration when converting (I don't).

4) Video transcoding (converting/compressing) uses the CPU, and sometimes the video decoders or encoders, but it does NOT benefit from GPU processing power. Some video EDITING programs benefit from CUDA etc but that is NOT the same thing. V

Summary:
Get a more recent card, that supports all your monitors, and don't pay any more than necessary.

(Note that not all connections are usable, so be certain you support all three monitors)
 
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Should be, the 950 is not power hungry, it's similar to the 750ti in that respect. EVGA is a good company for quality as well. The PSU is not the best quality, but should be Ok with that card.
 
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*You need to specify the VIDEO CONNECTIONS required (many monitors have multiple).

Such as:
DP + DP + DP, or
DVI + DVI + DP, or
VGA + DVI + DP

THIS one for example should support three monitors (haven't verified), and MAY support:
http://pcpartpicker.com/product/NNJwrH/evga-video-card-01gp32731kr

VGA + DVI + HDMI, or
DVI + DVI + HDMI

Even though both DVI's are DVI-I (can support VGA with adapter) it's not always clear what COMBO you get. Do you get 2xVGA or not?

Anyway, just an example. You can use pcpartpicker as a guide.

You can also use two, cheaper cards unless you need a single, virtual monitor not three, separate monitors.
 
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My monitors are Dvi 2x, hdmi x1 and taste like strawberries & dust mmm...

 
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Yeah, well I'll sell you my "high quality" Silverstone psu, as long as you take 2 fried mobo's and a possibly(?) fried i5-2500k with it..

Fail..
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Tom's put that PSU as mid-range, not great but not bad.
http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/id-2547993/psu-tier-list.html
Read the "tier 3" description. Like I said, should be fine...
 
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"Tom's put that PSU as mid-range, not great but not bad.
http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/id-2547993/psu-tier-l...
Read the "tier 3" description. Like I said, should be fine..."

One quality I always look for in a psu is not frying my gear randomly, I'm looking for that tier.. But hey live, learn, burn..
 
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"4) Video transcoding (converting/compressing) uses the CPU, and sometimes the video decoders or encoders, but it does NOT benefit from GPU processing power. Some video EDITING programs benefit from CUDA etc but that is NOT the same thing."

Most people poo.. poo. cu. cuda but I've found it works given the right conditions


FFmpeg cpu only 44fps
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Cuda partial offload 65fps
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So if I understand you correctly, over the past little while you've had catastrophic failures on...

1x Silverstone PSU
2xGraphics cards (260x and 570)
2xMotherboards (unnamed)
and "possibly" one 2500K CPU.

Is that what you're saying?

That's either really bad luck, or you've got something going on there. For sure worth spending a bit of time looking into how/why all those things died before you just add more new hardware to the machine and hope that will stop the rot.
 
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The SS psu was part of my failed intel flirtation, it seems to have fried an Asus Z87-PRO and the cheapest replacement I could find a BIOSTAR TZ77A which had the i5-2500k in both, not sure if the cpu fried cause I was sick of throwing money on the fire for another mobo, someday I'll get back to it our sell the pile on ebay.

So I ended up going back to my amd setup, I had sold my 4 yr old fx-8120 for $105 on ebay, but got amazon to match microcenter on 8320e for $89 bucks, lol ebay suck.. I mean bidders, are great.

Hade bought a hsi 260x for the 2500k rig, chosen main because it was cheap ($60) new but as is, turns out it's bios is garbage (black screen/no video) and HSI could give a cwap and has/will not bother to fix it, so drawer for now. Bought a gtx 570, again cheap, $60 but with RETURN, works great if you like win vga driver, if you like nvidia drivers then it bsod aka nvlddmkm.sys PAGE_FAULT_IN_NONPAGED_AREA which I beat on with no success until the return date, so back it went..

So I'm narrowed down 2
EVGA GeForce GTX 950 2GB ACX 2.0 GAMING, Silent Cooling Graphic Card 02G-P4-1955-KR for $135
VS
Nvidia Geforce Gtx 760 2gb PCI Express Graphics Card for $125



 
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OK, fair enough.

If gaming isn't an issue for you, this 250X will do the job for $86: http://www.superbiiz.com/detail.php?name=XFX-R725X2&c=CJ

This GT 740 will do it too for $82 and give you some CUDA cores, but you'd need a mini HDMI to HDMI cable: http://www.superbiiz.com/detail.php?name=EV-74S2D3S&c=CJ

RE your CUDA screenshots, the output size and compression ratio is significantly different, suggesting a quality difference on the encode, so you can't really compare. Having said that, if you've found your preferred sweet spot for size, quality and time using CUDA, I can understand why you would prefer to stick with it.
 
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As far as the cuda, the only change was cuda vs ffmpeg as the encoder not sure why the diff.
And as far as the cards, that was where I started out thinking, but like everyone else we all get caught up in wanting more.. better.. faster.. even when enough, is more than enough..

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Case closed

Winner is?? And in a surprise!!

Nvidia Geforce Gtx 760 2gb PCI Express $125 tax/ship all in..

Deciding factors??

Well I'm sick of fing around, aannnd...

Cheap, fast, amazon prime free 2 day ship & no hassle 30 day return = clincher
 
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Sounds like a good deal.

It sounds like I'm wrong on the CUDA issue, though you should experiment carefully and find the optimal QUALITY vs CONVERSION time method for you.

In the past I always found the CPU alone gave the best quality (no GPU decode/encode) though I'll revisit and see if CUDA quality is good enough.

My default program is HANDBRAKE and I've been very happy thus far. I find that roughly 3GB per hour for BluRay compression looks nearly identical to the original BluRay. Not sure what Kbps that works out too.

Also test for compatibility. For example if I use "NORMAL" and H.264, AAC it's usually very compatible. If I use High Profile it's not nearly as compatible with other devices. HEVC and H.265 also have extremely limited support on media devices.

*When I experimented I just used a five-minute section of a BluRay movie (use any high quality video you want though) then tested various methods and compared results.

Again in Handbrake you can choose a time preset under "optimize video" however the quality doesn't usually improve much below "Medium". Having said that, if you are using a low video bitrate to reduce size then the SLOWER settings may produce noticeably better quality.

Anyway, good luck.
 
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It got here today, (shows why amz will rule the world, usps out on sunday wow!)

Nice card, perfect condition, box, accessories, I'd say box was opened but the card was never installed. Haven't done 2 much yet, passmark says about +35% over the 260x.

My transcodes are mostly for compatibility, my dish hopper v3 has a decent dlna player built in but is pretty picky about encoding, I just one quick tc to get an idea, and wow almost 1400 fps, me happy boy 🙂

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