Water Cooling? Mineral Oil is KING for NO NOISE and great Temperatures

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polymesh

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so whats up with that...

ok you dont loose warranty with water cooling and its very stationary..

but still... no noise? it like an iphone, but with waaay more power...
gaming pc which is 100% quiet? not even consoles manage that..

its like a dream come true for me.. over 20 years in this industry, it was never possible... now it is!
and it makes me want to screw my warranty (im very annoyed by the sound of my pc ;) )

also with aquarium like cases we would have a great amount of customization, way more than any case could provide..
besides fishes and real life plants we basicly can use everything..

so i wonder why is there no market for it?

it looks great, is very durable and makes no sound, no matter how hard its working..
i mean cmon.. this is big market im talkin about here..

whats your reason not to have a mineral oil cooled pc ?!??

i mean its not like fish aquarium which needs work, this just sits and works for you..
man i have to build a company around that...
 

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My reason for not having a mineral oil PC is because of the oil. You have to submerge everything in it and that's messy if you eventually decide to do any work or upgrades on the PC. It would also be very heavy and, therefore, difficult to move around. How would you clean off the components if you decided to remove and replace something. Mineral oil doesn't evaporate like water or alcohol do.
 
There is already a company that provides mineral oil kits, Puget systems
I wouldn't consider it because its messy, Pita to swap gear out, and you can't easily clean it off old gfx cards to sell them on,
And mostly because the thermal properties of oil compared to water are pathetic, its very hard to get the heat out of oil
Where is the heat going? You need some way to cool the oil or you are just going to cook your system, quite literally
Moto
 
Rather then mineral oil which btw doesn't dissipate/spread heat very well just get a WC loop and shove the rad in an icebox, then refill with ice as necessary.

Or you could go with the other alternative, get quieter fans / sound dampening things for the inside of your pc.
 

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yes puget is selling expensive kits, i saw them
but yeah they have experience since 2007 in that sektor..
back then ssd werent as cheap as today so you always had the problem with hdd sound.. also i heard of it back then when someone used olive oil which is gross..

im currently looking to upgrade my pc, would buy new mobo, cpu and ddr3 and case.. so i found this mineral oil thing which is even cheaper than a nice case..
sure its maybe not a good idea to submerge it untill warranty runs out...

but believe me, once its in there you wont need to get it out again, ever!
its like conserved in there.. im sure purge will write in 10 years that they v2 system is still running.. it just works..

i guess its the same like with cars and gas, there is a lot of other things which noone has to buy anymore if you wouldnt need to fix/upgrade stuff cuz of gas usage, so the big companys dont support it...

imagen i create motherboards, have very good connection to cpu creators or maybe even create them myself.. i dont do mobo in usual "today known" design, i dont know, put them in a small can and fill it with oil.. you get the idea..
maybe already very far reached but still..

so what i buy good items, i dont expect to use the warranty anyway in time.
but yeah there are always bad sheep that need rma, or just have a good stability test befor submerging...

maybe as company i make a deal with another company and provide warranty on sold "aquarium" pc's


ill defnetly submerge my old single core 2 ghz pc
its the perfect bedroom pc...

any kind of fans will make noise, oiled pc's dont..
icebox is silly, too expensive and too much work

you spread heat with a simple flow created by cpu and gpu fans
another bubble/flow generator from real aqariums would help from time to time..
fast rigs may need a radiator,
but i guess you dont have to let the fans run the whole time.

upgrading is no problem, take a towel, some gloves
and depending on your setup just pull it out and install what you need.
sure its not ideal,
but hey, its soundproove the whole time, you can do this once a year

but also i think, you just dont upgrade the system anymore, buy a new one...

but you wont need to since it will hold forever...
its like fish in oil in a can, in 20 years still fresh...
air makes things corrosive and old..
install oil filter and you wont ever have to worry about this rig again, im sure!

and i dont know much about watercooling,
but what i saw always had alot of loud fans..

so pro:

mineal oil setup is cheap
100% noiseless
very good looking
doesnt need cleaning (only outside)

neg:

stationary and hard to move once set (only currently, there is alot of room for inovations)
upgrading kinda messy (same as above)
loose warranty (maybe fixable)

ill look throu the collected topics now thanks...
 
**sure its maybe not a good idea to submerge it untill warranty runs out...**
Totally sensible approach there :)
its fine to do as a project with older gear for fun, but I wouldn't risk new hardware on it,
*Edit to reflect Ryans current set up**
4Ryan6 has a set up involving ice and it performs very well, and recently he was inspired to go for an external radbox as well, and improved performance even further,
Both he and I have large loops, and I know mine is almost silent, I would say his is more than capable of it as well

Rubix is one of the most informed and capable W/c guys here and his initial statement may have seemed dismissive, but thats only because we get a lot of mineral oil threads and we tire of repeating ourselves,
We support and work on a lot of cooling ideas including sub-ambient water (with and without ice)
fire extinguisher reservoirs and even ssd watercooling on one current build, but oil just is not a viable solution for long-term use on any reasonable hardware,
with a good couple of hundred watts from a good Gpu and Cpu, you need to get rid of that heat, not just let it build up in the tank,
post back after you've read through the links but I personally cannot recommend oil-submerged Pc's as anything other than a fun experiment on old gear
Moto
 

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do you guys know the tv show "tanked"
its great and gives alot of inspiration.

this is like a fish tank, i believe even less work.

first i saw was this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eub39NaC4rc&feature=related

and also how he assembled everything, clever idea with the 2nd container..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DDW3RYVjko

ive then watched these guys:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJdUhtD1zns&feature=related
very informative..

took a look at this setup:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e4jaY8LT5wA&feature=related

and became convinced after watching/reading this guys setup
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UuNkB_8fJeY&feature=related

then i scooped over to http://www.pugetsystems.com/submerged.php
and read their story..

after that i wrote here..


i think, its enough testing.. its prooved working very good.
even more than a fun project...

build a serious container with proper backplate for power supply and mobo
add 4 wheels to the container and you can even move it around without problem.

people dont want a diy, they want the finished product they wont have to care about... pugetsystems dont provide that.. nobody does...i see dollar signs lol

hm, maybe all i need is a great "mineal oil case" lineup ...
so still diy, need to do a pricecheck...

i see you are concerned about heat, but its prooven to work,
check purgesystems v4 system..

im sure its not too hard to cool the oil down..
also from the review it took 12h at full power to reach a high temp
still they say, its running up to day...
and with their radiator it was contantly at around 50 with low fans..
you could make it temp contolled or something..

but yes i see the point, nobody can risk something goes wrong
and loose the brand new $600 gaming pc, submerged and fried in oil :D

but lets talk htpc, touchscreen hosts, door/window opener or whatever..

what a perfect way to recycle old computer.....
 
The key to oil submerged pcs is choosing parts that don't get hot and either using no gpu or something like a 5450 at most.

So for an HTPC it would probably be fine with say a 65w pentium G

It takes substantially more effort to push around heat in baby oil then air or water.
 


Moto, I'm still using the ice with the CPU cooling, the radbox is cooling the GPUs.

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@polymesh

Most wouldn't go the oil route simply because;

It's too messy.

Oil eventually will go rank.

A leak can be a furniture or flooring killer.

It's too messy.

Lost Warranties.

You cannot submerge everything.

It's too messy.

If the oil doesn't flow it's cooling is minimal.

It's just not practical, and mostly done for show.

If it was at least the Queen of cooling solutions maybe more would try it, it definitely is not the King of cooling solutions, maybe the Jack of cooling or possibly the Joker.

You never seem to see anyone posting, I'm going for my 2nd oil cooling setup?

Wonder Why?

Did I forget to mention, It's too messy.


 

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but is it really too messy?

more messy than lets say a fishtank..
people do have fishtanks in their home..


like i said, gloves, a towel and a proper case (not a modified fishtank)

i think its more messy and by messy i mean work
to operate WC , to install, maintaince and contant checkups
not to mention what happens if water leaks.

so the oil route is not really more messy, you install it once and forget about it..

it is by no means a perfekt solution right now..
but thats what im saying, thats were the market is..


like you could put wheels on it
and that the mobo/power comes out of the oil per engine on rails
it will always hover above the tank while upgrading or whatever you need it outside for..
it wouldnt create any mess, just dripp back into the tank.
stationnary fixxed, messy fixxed.. warranty fixxed if you take 3 year old gear.

untill now noone had a really good reason that it wouldnt be king if propper used.

there is like a million things you can create a flow with in the tank
and also alot of ways to cool the oil (if even needed) than only a radiator..
but radiator works, on timer, temp controlled and/or manual fan controled
also price is only 1/3 of WC and 1/10 or WC work

now cmon, any real reasons ? :D

 
Youll still have to change out the oil from time to time, seriously unless its old gear, its a dumb idea. Computer enthusiasts always look for the best and most efficient way to cool their gear so they can push it to its limits. Do you think maybe all the reasons listed are reasons that oil cooling isnt more prevelant? Its gimmicky. Thats all it is.
 
I just can't think of any real way to cool the oil effectively, you would need atleast 3 times the power of a normal WC pump to get the same amount of flow, not to mention you would need to put some delta fans in there so it directs coolant flow towards the pump (I'm thinking have an external radiator to an ice chest)

But then again you could just do that with normal water cooling aswell :/

And your portable idea is pretty moot aswell, since the components would be bumping each other (psu bumping mobo, ssd, etc) not to mention you would most likely want to disconnect any drives that are laying ontop before moving it. I feel safer when I know things are bolted down.

Also you might not be able to use a high end graphics card because there is no support screws holding it to a case, it would torque the mobo.
 

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ryan do you have pics or vids of the ice setup? i may youtube or check out your profile..


vrumor, im not talkin about enthusiasts, every one of these can build it themself..
im aiming at all the people with no knowlege about whatsoever..
only turn pc on and off and know how to browse..

this is the perfect system, it doesnt need maintance, like i said, u install and forget about it.. and its NOISELESS (like that wouldnt matter, in fact its a major deal)

you dont need to change the oil if you install "oil filter" simple, effective


if you carefully read my posts, i smashed all the reasons..

again, read at purgesystems what they did at pax

use imagination and really think about it..
 

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@mouse24, i allready mentiond proper case, where everything has a place, and a engine to get it out of the oil...
 


That... tells me nothing... Cooling liquid such as this requires more then hurr durr push fluids around, eventually they will reach a max temp and everything will heat up, depending on the components this could be fatal.

Its equivalent to putting fans in a case with no intake or exhaust holes.
 

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@mouse, ok power of radiator is too much, nice one.. ill look into that
but also, on a 8h a day usage you dont need a radiator..

@vrumor, is it true?
i think once people see it, they want it,
but currently cant have.. there is currently no proper solution..

the design, noiseless and possible customizations are big seller..
 


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Well you certainly have changed my mind about this, indeed it appears I will need to go on a long spiritual journey to rethink many aspects of my life. Regardless once I come back, I swear to you.

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