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"Stephen White" <fake_email_address@fake_domain.com> wrote in message
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> robert elcome wrote:
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>>>robert elcome wrote:
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>>>>I need some advice on killing. I cant seem to find something suitable.
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>>>> [snip previous info, Dwarven Weaponsmith using Big Punch]
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>> Currently on D:32, level 26. Had a Vault + Tension room message so i
>> zapped a wand of monster detection. Room full of Diamond Golems, Tension
>> room of lesser undead and a Lesser Vault of Stone/Iron Golems with an
>> Eternium one thrown in for fun.
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>> Cleared out the Diamond Golem room, pain in the rear end. I switched
>> between my Blessed Amulet of Rapid Healing and my Blessed Amulet of
>> Protection from Constructs quite frequently. With a very unscientific
>> analysis, the Diamond Golems seemed to hit me for around half of their
>> normal damage. It looked as though they didnt get in critical hits much,
>> if at all whereas without it, they quite often punched through my armour.
>> Kill list shows 56 Diamond Golems so I had some fun swinging Big Punch.
>> Wheres my Wicked/Murderous Eternium Flail of
>> Devastation/Mayhem/Penetration?
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>> I have the Water and Fire Orbs. Uncorrupted currently but I dont feel too
>> happy as Im now out of anything that can cure me. Im kind of wondering
>> what to do next. Im level 26 and I dont really think I can just dive
>> straight down, slaying as I go but Im scared of corruption. I have no
>> slaying ammo at the moment but working on it.
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> The casino should provide some slaying ammo. You are right to be wary
> of corruption though, unholy aura or something could really rain on
> your parade. I presume Khelly died, what about the other sources? Did
> you deliver the orb guardian corpses to the druid? Speak to the mystic?
> Get the one from the little sealed room in the HMV? Do the library?
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>> The major problem I face at the moment is anything with a confusion
>> attack. Ive been able to melee anything Ive faced thus far without much
>> problems. Im using a Blessed Ring of Damage and a Ring of Slaying so I
>> dont fancy switching to rings of clear mind but Lich stat draining and
>> the possibility of Great Wyrms is not making me feel comfortable.
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>> Any suggestions/advice? Its been a good few years since Ive had a
>> character get past ToEF and Ive lost my touch.
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> Glad its going well so far, nice work on the diamond golems
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> Level 26 is pretty low I guess for having got the water and fire orbs
> already, but this often seems to be the case in recent versions. The
> big uniques lower down seem to be worth all the experience.
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> For stuff with a confusion attack, just switch out one of the rings for
> a confusion resistance type one. IME, blessed rings of the clear mind
> seem to work best. Replace your ring of damage with one if you are going
> to face something that might confuse you. I say the ring of damage, since
> AFAIK this only adds to melee damage, not missiles too, and if the thing
> that might confuse you is a stat draining lich, you don't want to melee.
>
> If you have climbing and stealth at 100, you might try the library next.
> I'm guessing you won't have stealth 100 though, unless you learned it
> from the master theif early on. It's not really worth going there if you
> don't have it, since you wont get the reward from the ghost librarian,
> and the other stuff you will find there probably isn't much good for a
> weaponsmith.
>
> As for great wyrms, they are very rare outside vaults of dragons, and
> they tend to only hold one unless it's a greater vault. Ancient dragons
> are stronger in more recent versions and facing those can give you a
> good idea of if you are prepared to face a wyrm. If they can't hurt you
> much or often, you should be able to take a wyrm in melee. Just make
> sure to keep a decent health buffer, I'd say at least 300 hp, ideally
> 400+ in case of criticals. Since you already took on a horde of diamond
> golems and one eternium one in melee, it seems you are pretty strong.
>
> Apart from the library, I'm not sure where else to recommend, since you
> didn't mention where you have done and not. Take Darkforge if you didn't
> already, that will be easy. Other than that, I guess you will just have
> to dive. Look out for any hordes that might give you good experience.
> Slow Monster could help you a LOT in gaining some levels fast, if you
> can obtain it. Slow yourself before the killing blow on any major kill,
> say something worth 10000 exp or more.
Im not too great with my ADOM Netiquette so I'll leave the reply as is.
Darkforge was a walkover after i found my Red DSM and a fireproof blanket.
Cleared it out for a bit more exp and the chance of some randomly amazing
weapon/armour to be generated.
What I really found strange is.... Molochs are a walkover. I kill Molochs
easier than Diamond Golems. I only faced a Greater Moloch at ~lvl 17 with my
Archer and that was fun. Had 2 slaying arrows and no demon slayers.
Berserked and abused my Blessed SLB's + quick/lightning shot to full
advantage but couldnt kill it. Came down to my last random stack of arrows
and it died in around 4 arrows. Confused, I picked up my arrows and they
were Humanoid Slayers. Couldnt remember Molochs being Humanoid but Im not
complaining. Another way to kill them i suppose. If I can break their PV,
they'll be easy. My Weaponsmith alternates between Blessed SLB's and highly
smithed Eternium Boots whenever I go toe-to-toe with evil melee things.
I dont think I have the Willpower for the Library thanks to a little visit
to the top of the bug temple. I always go there as my Archers for the extra
bit of speed. ~120 speed seems to keep me out of trouble even if it does
reduce exp. Ive learned how far I can go to avoid luring the Killer Bugs.
They are just insane. I was tempted to have some fun in Dwarven Halls but DH
was a walkover on the way down when for any of my Archers or Rangers, theres
always some random nasty such as a Shadow Wyrm, Ancient Dragon, Moloch etc.
This time, the worst I encountered was a Greater Water Elemental and he
rolled over quite pathetically to be honest. Unless you class a room full of
Ancient White Dragons, tucked away in a little corner a threat. Ancient
White Dragons die more easily than the 1 or 2 Red ones Ive killed thus far.
The Ancient Red I met was a lot more powerful than the Whites Id faced and
took me by suprise.
I have the Red, Black and White flavours of DSM although my Red DSM is the
strongest. Crowning netted me Hammerhead and Shock Immunity. If I had enough
shots of detect monster, I could be suited to take on any class of breather.
Overall, it seems that Im rather loved and hated by the RNG. My equipment
seems very good but my level for the point of the game Im at seems low.
Corruption seems to set in faster than the last time I played. Ive had to
cure roughly 8 corruptions thus far although I could be off the mark and
plus, Im slow. I love going to visit every place and do every thing that the
RNG seems to want me to do. I need to find the "Corruption = Off" switch.
A few points ive noticed that I maybe havent noticed in other versions....
Greater Molochs are Humanoid.
Poison really does seem to stack very fast. Quicklings, although they dont
hit me often in terms of how often they attack, they do get a few hits in
and that poison stacks up really fast.
(Greater) Mummies dont seem to be able to cause sickness when they attack.
Shopkeepers tend to have Charged Clothes in their shops when Im not using a
spell character. Case in point, Chaos Knight tension room gave me 6 sets of
EPM, the best DV/PV of which, was Charged.
Smithing could do wonders for a low level character if a forge and method of
getting ores is found early on.
Monsters dont seem to be worth their EXP in terms of how hard they are to
kill. Emperor Lich in CoC Graveyard seemed to be worth 17000 exp iirc. Suns
Messenger and fast arrows killed it before it moved but how hard can a
single Emperor Lich be? Berserker Emperor was around 3000-4000. Ive bumped
into a few before and been absolutely mutilated in seconds.
Final point. Why is only Stephen giving me advice? He hasnt steered me wrong
yet but I like diversity in replies
I rely heavily on opinions when Im stuck and I prefer not to be stuck with
only 1 option.
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