Figured I sell my 6800 Ultra AGP since it's worth so damn much, & buy some new kit.
Choice was between an X1800 XL and 7800 GT. Usually the 7800 GT is the hands down value winner, but I found a new shrink-wrapped X1800 XL on ebay for $340 USD from Canada! (for reference, 7800 GT's go for the equivalent of $420 USD here from online retailers).
Since I sold my AGP 6800 Ultra for $310 USD, it was basically a free upgrade.
Couldn't have gone wrong with either the 7800 GT or X1800 XL, but here are the factors that tipped the scales in Ati's favor:
1. 7800's limitation of using AA with OpenEXR HDR. That was a big one. My 6800 Ultra couldn't even handle HDR in Far Cry without stuttering, if this card can do HDR & AA at the same time I'll die happy.
2. Heard X1800 XL's are getting good o/c results with increased voltages, and voltage modding is in software now. No soldering (Zing!). How easy is that?
3. I do alot of video editing, and got a nice deal on a new X1800 XL All-in-Wonder... Premiere and Photoshop elements being included is a real nice bonus. YPbPr outputs for HDTV included as well.
4. The limitation of 20 pipes in the 7800 GT. The X1800 XL can theoretically be every bit as good as the X1800 XT if clocked identically, but a 7800 GT will never give the same performance as a GTX at the same clocks.
(Yes, I know this is a silly reason to pick one over the other, especially since the 7800 GT has more pipelines than the X1800 XT in the first place. But truth be told it bothered me so I listed it. I like to overclock my card to the same spec as a card $150 more pricey. )
The results:
One major problem on arrival: I have an ATX power supply, the card requires a weird 6-pin power connector only found on BTX-spec PSUs.
Instant Gratification: DENIED
Was I ever pi$$ed off. I really like my 500w X-connect PSU, and didn't want to spend the extra $120 or so for a new BTX PSU, so I "MacGuyvered" a power connector from an old power supply cable (6 pins fit the connector with minor... well, major hacksaw modification) and plugged it into two of my 4-pin molexes 12v pins and grounds. Up & running!
Tried it out... huge boost in 3dMark05 (yeah I know, big deal. But click my sig to compare if you're interested). Then tried the new "Empires at War" demo... really nice. The card does noticably better than my 6800 Ultra with high levels of AA enabled, or at least seems to.
Card was really hot for the first hour or so, guess the thermal paste was "wearing in". Almost hit 90 degrees under load!
After an hour it went down to 60 degrees at idle and high 70's under load... that's when overclocked.
Managed to get 555 core/560 mem at stock voltages. Haven't really pushed it to artifact though yet. I'm kind of impressed with that.
My goal is 625core/700mem... XT core speeds but a bit less on the memory. I hear the XL's will beat XT's at lower memory clocks because the memory timings are tighter (like the 6800 GTs compared to the 6800 Ultras).
Not sure the memory will make it to 700 though, I hear the AIW cards get crappier memory in some cases. We'll see though, luck of the draw & all.
Now that she's running, what mods to do first? I've heard some people got a 10 degree decrease in temps by removing the stock thermal paste and replacing with Arctic Silver, so that's probably my first mod. Later I'll get the Arctic Cooling Accelero X2 when it becomes available in retail.
For the price I paid I can't complain. Not saying the 6800 Ultra was bad though, it was really a trooper - a great card. But for the $30 difference it was worth the upgrade for sure.
I'll keep you guys posted on my overclocking efforts of course.
Choice was between an X1800 XL and 7800 GT. Usually the 7800 GT is the hands down value winner, but I found a new shrink-wrapped X1800 XL on ebay for $340 USD from Canada! (for reference, 7800 GT's go for the equivalent of $420 USD here from online retailers).
Since I sold my AGP 6800 Ultra for $310 USD, it was basically a free upgrade.
Couldn't have gone wrong with either the 7800 GT or X1800 XL, but here are the factors that tipped the scales in Ati's favor:
1. 7800's limitation of using AA with OpenEXR HDR. That was a big one. My 6800 Ultra couldn't even handle HDR in Far Cry without stuttering, if this card can do HDR & AA at the same time I'll die happy.
2. Heard X1800 XL's are getting good o/c results with increased voltages, and voltage modding is in software now. No soldering (Zing!). How easy is that?
3. I do alot of video editing, and got a nice deal on a new X1800 XL All-in-Wonder... Premiere and Photoshop elements being included is a real nice bonus. YPbPr outputs for HDTV included as well.
4. The limitation of 20 pipes in the 7800 GT. The X1800 XL can theoretically be every bit as good as the X1800 XT if clocked identically, but a 7800 GT will never give the same performance as a GTX at the same clocks.
(Yes, I know this is a silly reason to pick one over the other, especially since the 7800 GT has more pipelines than the X1800 XT in the first place. But truth be told it bothered me so I listed it. I like to overclock my card to the same spec as a card $150 more pricey. )
The results:
One major problem on arrival: I have an ATX power supply, the card requires a weird 6-pin power connector only found on BTX-spec PSUs.
Instant Gratification: DENIED
Was I ever pi$$ed off. I really like my 500w X-connect PSU, and didn't want to spend the extra $120 or so for a new BTX PSU, so I "MacGuyvered" a power connector from an old power supply cable (6 pins fit the connector with minor... well, major hacksaw modification) and plugged it into two of my 4-pin molexes 12v pins and grounds. Up & running!
Tried it out... huge boost in 3dMark05 (yeah I know, big deal. But click my sig to compare if you're interested). Then tried the new "Empires at War" demo... really nice. The card does noticably better than my 6800 Ultra with high levels of AA enabled, or at least seems to.
Card was really hot for the first hour or so, guess the thermal paste was "wearing in". Almost hit 90 degrees under load!
After an hour it went down to 60 degrees at idle and high 70's under load... that's when overclocked.
Managed to get 555 core/560 mem at stock voltages. Haven't really pushed it to artifact though yet. I'm kind of impressed with that.
My goal is 625core/700mem... XT core speeds but a bit less on the memory. I hear the XL's will beat XT's at lower memory clocks because the memory timings are tighter (like the 6800 GTs compared to the 6800 Ultras).
Not sure the memory will make it to 700 though, I hear the AIW cards get crappier memory in some cases. We'll see though, luck of the draw & all.
Now that she's running, what mods to do first? I've heard some people got a 10 degree decrease in temps by removing the stock thermal paste and replacing with Arctic Silver, so that's probably my first mod. Later I'll get the Arctic Cooling Accelero X2 when it becomes available in retail.
For the price I paid I can't complain. Not saying the 6800 Ultra was bad though, it was really a trooper - a great card. But for the $30 difference it was worth the upgrade for sure.
I'll keep you guys posted on my overclocking efforts of course.