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Archived from groups: alt.games.everquest (More info?)

Like was suggested, alt.games.everquest2 was hijacked because I made the
mistake of posting a proposal to alt.config that I didn't follow through
on immediately. IE, someone took my proposal and submitted it on the sly,
most likely WITHOUT the charter. Not sure what affect this has, but if
someone now notices that it exists on their newsserver, 'twasn't me that
did it.


~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*

Jerelyn Foxeye -- http://www.foxeye-art.com

On Antonia Bayle (EQ):
[14 Iksar Cleric] Viizanafyaeth
[6 High Elf Fighter] Foxeye

On Order (Horizons):
[10 Monk/Druid Saris] Foxeye
 
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foxeye@EEKSPAM.com (Foxeye Vaeltaja) wrote in
<Pine.LNX.4.58.0411220845440.19895@bolt.sonic.net>:

>
>Like was suggested, alt.games.everquest2 was hijacked because I made the
>mistake of posting a proposal to alt.config that I didn't follow through
>on immediately. IE, someone took my proposal and submitted it on the sly,
>most likely WITHOUT the charter. Not sure what affect this has, but if
>someone now notices that it exists on their newsserver, 'twasn't me that
>did it.
>


I'll never understand Usenet.

--
-Mary "I have no intention of making a spectacle of myself thank you."
Poppins
 
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Mary Poppins wrote:
> foxeye@EEKSPAM.com (Foxeye Vaeltaja) wrote in
> <Pine.LNX.4.58.0411220845440.19895@bolt.sonic.net>:
>
>
>>Like was suggested, alt.games.everquest2 was hijacked because I made the
>>mistake of posting a proposal to alt.config that I didn't follow through
>>on immediately. IE, someone took my proposal and submitted it on the sly,
>>most likely WITHOUT the charter. Not sure what affect this has, but if
>>someone now notices that it exists on their newsserver, 'twasn't me that
>>did it.
>>
>
>
>
> I'll never understand Usenet.
>
The effect will be, since they didn't go through the 'correct channels'
to create the group, there's about 100 self appointed netcops that will
start issueing repeated 'kill group' commands in the control groups as
soon as they see it pop up.

So it will be almost impossible to get it created and propagated.

At least that's what happened to a friend of mine.

Technically it's also 'without charter' but how many people read a
charter anyway?
 
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In article <Pine.LNX.4.58.0411220845440.19895@bolt.sonic.net>,
Foxeye Vaeltaja <foxeye@EEKSPAM.com> wrote:
>
>Like was suggested, alt.games.everquest2 was hijacked because I made the
>mistake of posting a proposal to alt.config that I didn't follow through
>on immediately. IE, someone took my proposal and submitted it on the sly,
>most likely WITHOUT the charter. Not sure what affect this has, but if
>someone now notices that it exists on their newsserver, 'twasn't me that
>did it.

Here is the control message received at my news server, apparently
meant as a jab at you. Nevertheless, this will get it added on servers
which blindly accept newgroups for alt.*. Admins who review the alt
newgroup requests are probably going to ignore it (unless they are
familiar with EQ2). There is no reason you can't post or have someone
post a control message with proper charter later on, of course.

-- Ray

-- begin paste --
From: "NAN Team" <nan-soccer-team@invalid.invalid>
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: cmsg newgroup alt.games.everquest2
Control: newgroup alt.games.everquest2
Followup-To: poster
Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 15:19:01 +0100
Organization: Neanderthal Anus News soccer team (NAN Team)
Lines: 4
Approved: nan-soccer-team@invalid.invalid
Message-ID: <xn0dpzg5g2073pq003@www.zkz.com.pl>
NNTP-Posting-Host: poczta.zkz.com.pl
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
X-Trace: nemesis.news.tpi.pl 1100960809 1238 213.77.45.28 (20 Nov 2004 14:26:49 GMT)
X-Complaints-To: usenet@tpi.pl
NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 14:26:49 +0000 (UTC)
Archive-Name: alt.games.everquest2
X-Ref: www.zkz.com.pl ~XNS:000000BC

For your newsgroups file:
alt.games.everquest2 Vanity group for Jerelyn Foxeye

NO CHARTER, UNMODERATED.
-- end paste --
 
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Ray Rocker wrote:

> alt.games.everquest2 Vanity group for Jerelyn Foxeye

Hey! I want my own vanity group too! Maybe I should go over to
alt.config and submit alt.games.the-sims2.

--
Annie

In EQII:

Tealeaf-- Ogre Priest on AB
Teacup -- Gnome Fighter on AB
Teafire -- Human Mage on AB

Serverwide AGE chat in EQII-- eq.serverwide.age:age

AGE EverQuest Live FAQ:
http://www.icynic.com/~don/EQ/age.faq.htm

Mirrored at:
http://webpages.charter.net/lenny13/age.faq.htm

http://www.derfy.net/agefaq.html

_______

If you can't figure out my email address, you're not supposed to write me.
 
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On Mon, 22 Nov 2004, Ray Rocker wrote:

> Here is the control message received at my news server, apparently
> meant as a jab at you. Nevertheless, this will get it added on servers
> which blindly accept newgroups for alt.*. Admins who review the alt
> newgroup requests are probably going to ignore it (unless they are
> familiar with EQ2). There is no reason you can't post or have someone
> post a control message with proper charter later on, of course.
>
> -- Ray
>
> For your newsgroups file:
> alt.games.everquest2 Vanity group for Jerelyn Foxeye
>
> NO CHARTER, UNMODERATED.

Oiy vey. 😵




~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*

Jerelyn Foxeye -- http://www.foxeye-art.com

On Antonia Bayle (EQ):
[14 Iksar Cleric] Viizanafyaeth
[6 High Elf Fighter] Foxeye

On Order (Horizons):
[10 Monk/Druid Saris] Foxeye
 
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On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 21:06:37 GMT, Foxeye Vaeltaja <foxeye@EEKSPAM.com>
wrote:

>On Mon, 22 Nov 2004, Ray Rocker wrote:
>
>> Here is the control message received at my news server, apparently
>> meant as a jab at you. Nevertheless, this will get it added on servers
>> which blindly accept newgroups for alt.*. Admins who review the alt
>> newgroup requests are probably going to ignore it (unless they are
>> familiar with EQ2). There is no reason you can't post or have someone
>> post a control message with proper charter later on, of course.
>>
>> -- Ray
>>
>> For your newsgroups file:
>> alt.games.everquest2 Vanity group for Jerelyn Foxeye
>>
>> NO CHARTER, UNMODERATED.
>
>Oiy vey. 😵

Well... I guess you could always try again with it as "alt.games.eq2"

--
Dark Tyger

Sympathy for the retailer:
http://www.actsofgord.com/index.html
"Door's to your left" -Gord
(I have no association with this site. Just thought it was funny as hell)

Protect free speech: http://stopfcc.com/
 
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Hi Foxeye

I wonder why anyone would want to hijack it, or to say it was a
"vanity" group of yours? That little dig was uncalled for, as you are
only trying to help. Thanks for your efforts, by the way.


Palindrome
 
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On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 21:24:14 +0000, Palindrome
<damon-nomad@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:

>Hi Foxeye
>
>I wonder why anyone would want to hijack it, or to say it was a
>"vanity" group of yours? That little dig was uncalled for, as you are
>only trying to help. Thanks for your efforts, by the way.

Because alt.config is a favorite play toy of trolls and general
internet "griefers", unfortunately... And that's -because- of its
purpose.

--
Dark Tyger

Sympathy for the retailer:
http://www.actsofgord.com/index.html
"Door's to your left" -Gord
(I have no association with this site. Just thought it was funny as hell)

Protect free speech: http://stopfcc.com/
 
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On Mon, 22 Nov 2004, Palindrome wrote:

> I wonder why anyone would want to hijack it, or to say it was a
> "vanity" group of yours? That little dig was uncalled for, as you are
> only trying to help. Thanks for your efforts, by the way.

I think there is someone there just targeting any and every newsgroup
proposal they can (I believe the source is from Poland, bizarrely
enough)...it isn't personal to me. But it's still annoying, especially as
all guide sites SAY to wait 7 days after posting your proposal to
alt.config. That advice is rather dangerous right now. >:/

Against my better judgement I went ahead and submitted a proper control
statement with a charter and a comment saying it was hijacked. I
hesitated to, because I know a lot of folks still don't want it, but I
wasn't sure if there was harm to myself or the future of an
alt.games.everquest2 (if one is needed later) to leave it as-is.

FWIW, I believe that even at this point I would have to run about
promoting the NG to news servers to get it widely available, so I don't
*think* I've caused any lasting harm if it does end up that it is better
to keep everyone here.



~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*

Jerelyn Foxeye -- http://www.foxeye-art.com

On Antonia Bayle (EQ):
[14 Iksar Cleric] Viizanafyaeth
[6 High Elf Fighter] Foxeye

On Order (Horizons):
[10 Monk/Druid Saris] Foxeye
 
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In <cntapb$lc2$1@news.datasync.com> rocker@datasync.com (Ray Rocker) writes:

>Here is the control message received at my news server, apparently
>meant as a jab at you. Nevertheless, this will get it added on servers
>which blindly accept newgroups for alt.*. Admins who review the alt
>newgroup requests are probably going to ignore it (unless they are
>familiar with EQ2). There is no reason you can't post or have someone
>post a control message with proper charter later on, of course.

I think the number of news admins that bother to monitor alt.admin can
be counted without removing your shoes at this point. The big news
distribution servers dont have filter lists or even newsgroup lists
anymore. They are more news routers than servers at this point, they
pass on anything they get. Outside universities, news admins aren't paid
enough to care anymore, and have way too much to do to bother checking
if a newsgroup recieved a proper discussion.

>-- Ray

>-- begin paste --
> From: "NAN Team" <nan-soccer-team@invalid.invalid>
> Newsgroups: news.groups
> Subject: cmsg newgroup alt.games.everquest2
> Control: newgroup alt.games.everquest2
> Followup-To: poster
> Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 15:19:01 +0100
> Organization: Neanderthal Anus News soccer team (NAN Team)
> Lines: 4
> Approved: nan-soccer-team@invalid.invalid
> Message-ID: <xn0dpzg5g2073pq003@www.zkz.com.pl>
> NNTP-Posting-Host: poczta.zkz.com.pl
> Mime-Version: 1.0
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
> X-Trace: nemesis.news.tpi.pl 1100960809 1238 213.77.45.28 (20 Nov 2004 14:26:49 GMT)
> X-Complaints-To: usenet@tpi.pl
> NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 14:26:49 +0000 (UTC)
> Archive-Name: alt.games.everquest2
> X-Ref: www.zkz.com.pl ~XNS:000000BC

> For your newsgroups file:
> alt.games.everquest2 Vanity group for Jerelyn Foxeye

> NO CHARTER, UNMODERATED.
>-- end paste --
--
Artificial Intelligence stands no chance against Natural Stupidity.
GAT d- -p+(--) c++++ l++ u++ t- m--- W--- !v
b+++ e* s-/+ n-(?) h++ f+g+ w+++ y*
 
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In <VKidnWChdcMXxj_cRVn-uA@vallnet.com> Tyas_MT <tyas_mt@hotmail.commies> writes:

>The effect will be, since they didn't go through the 'correct channels'
>to create the group, there's about 100 self appointed netcops that will
>start issueing repeated 'kill group' commands in the control groups as
>soon as they see it pop up.

>So it will be almost impossible to get it created and propagated.

>At least that's what happened to a friend of mine.

>Technically it's also 'without charter' but how many people read a
>charter anyway?

Unlike newgroup messages, most servers are configured to mail
deletegroup commands and mail them to the news admin, who might get
around to reading it or may not.

--
Artificial Intelligence stands no chance against Natural Stupidity.
GAT d- -p+(--) c++++ l++ u++ t- m--- W--- !v
b+++ e* s-/+ n-(?) h++ f+g+ w+++ y*
 
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On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 18:22:35 +0000 (UTC) in
<cntapb$lc2$1@news.datasync.com>, rocker@datasync.com (Ray Rocker)
graced the world with this thought:

> Vanity group for Jerelyn Foxeye

only to prove, there's still no shortage of immature dickheads around
here.
 
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In article <cnuk4k$h1h$1@wu.bogon.com>,
John Henders <8ar$9ro$ri9@bogon.com> wrote:
>I think the number of news admins that bother to monitor alt.admin can
>be counted without removing your shoes at this point. The big news
>distribution servers dont have filter lists or even newsgroup lists
>anymore. They are more news routers than servers at this point, they
>pass on anything they get. Outside universities, news admins aren't paid
>enough to care anymore, and have way too much to do to bother checking
>if a newsgroup recieved a proper discussion.

There are news routers which simply pass traffic, and there are
the news servers to which readers connect. The latter definitely do
keep a list of active groups (or the NNTP LIST command can't work),
so something must be done with the newgroup control messages.

Traditionally, the default config for alt.*, in INN at least, was
to automatically act on newgroups and mail delgroups to the admin.
Abuse in the form of newgroup floods from Hipcrime et al made this
a lot less attractive although I imagine there are more than a few
servers which still do it.

The most common policy nowadays is probably to just drop any newgroup
in alt and wait for a reader to request it.

Myself, I have alt newgroups set up to mail, and I read them and
add the ones that include reasonable justification. There aren't
that many to deal with. But, no, I don't monitor alt.config.

-- Ray
 
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tyas_mt@hotmail.commies (Tyas_MT) wrote in <VKidnWChdcMXxj_cRVn-
uA@vallnet.com>:

>So it will be almost impossible to get it created and propagated.

I have no idea why anyone would want to do this...
--
-Mary "I have no intention of making a spectacle of myself thank you."
Poppins
 
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Mary Poppins wrote:
> tyas_mt@hotmail.commies (Tyas_MT) wrote in <VKidnWChdcMXxj_cRVn-
> uA@vallnet.com>:
>
>
>>So it will be almost impossible to get it created and propagated.
>
>
> I have no idea why anyone would want to do this...
The same reason a group of level 70s comes to the paldual and kills
everything in the zone when others are xping. Because they get their
jollies bringing grief to others.
 
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tyas_mt@hotplonkmail.commies (Tyas) wrote in <3f-dncVqM5oZFT7cRVn-
iA@vallnet.com>:

>Mary Poppins wrote:
>> tyas_mt@hotmail.commies (Tyas_MT) wrote in <VKidnWChdcMXxj_cRVn-
>> uA@vallnet.com>:
>>
>>
>>>So it will be almost impossible to get it created and propagated.
>>
>>
>> I have no idea why anyone would want to do this...
>The same reason a group of level 70s comes to the paldual and kills
>everything in the zone when others are xping. Because they get their
>jollies bringing grief to others.

If I ever start gaining my day to day happiness from making others unhappy,
kill me.
--
-Mary "I have no intention of making a spectacle of myself thank you."
Poppins
 
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