Well, time to cancel deposit on 360 and wait...

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This sudden revelation about questions regarding backwards
compatibility are having me cancel the deposit I put down on the 360
and am going to do a wait and see regarding it. Too many questions
here. I will have my eyes open, however, and wait until there is
enough new stuff out for the system to warrent purchase, clarification
of backwards compatibility, and also the availability of getting one.
I do have enough X-Box stuff I can still get to, so no rush to do now.
I had hopes (after initial word was full backward compatibility about)
to trade the XBox in and get the smaller system.

Anyhow, do feel free to correct me on this, but the backwards
compatibility issue is uncertain here. I am not just interested in
"TOP SELLERS", but all the more minor titles.

- Richard Hutnik

 

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I just have a bunch I haven't started to play through yet, and others
which are replayable with lots of people.

- Richard

 

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richardhutnik@hotmail.com wrote:

> Anyhow, do feel free to correct me on this, but the backwards
> compatibility issue is uncertain here. I am not just interested in
> "TOP SELLERS", but all the more minor titles.

I really doubt that the Xbox360 will ever offer full backwards
compatibility with Xbox games. They're going with software emulation,
which as you know, is very difficult to get right even for one game - much
less a whole slew of games. Microsoft has said how they'll continue to
release updates that will enable more and more games to be played on the
360, but my guess is that these updates (assuming they'll even do them)
won't go on much beyond the first year of the 360's lifespan.

 

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Doug Jacobs wrote:
> richardhutnik@hotmail.com wrote:
>
>
>>Anyhow, do feel free to correct me on this, but the backwards
>>compatibility issue is uncertain here. I am not just interested in
>>"TOP SELLERS", but all the more minor titles.
>
>
> I really doubt that the Xbox360 will ever offer full backwards
> compatibility with Xbox games. They're going with software emulation,
> which as you know, is very difficult to get right even for one game - much
> less a whole slew of games. Microsoft has said how they'll continue to
> release updates that will enable more and more games to be played on the
> 360, but my guess is that these updates (assuming they'll even do them)
> won't go on much beyond the first year of the 360's lifespan.

Just as long as they get Kabuki Warriors working. Screw the rest, this
is top priority stuff.

Swi

 

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USAF LM wrote:
> Doug Jacobs wrote:
>
>> richardhutnik@hotmail.com wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Anyhow, do feel free to correct me on this, but the backwards
>>> compatibility issue is uncertain here. I am not just interested in
>>> "TOP SELLERS", but all the more minor titles.
>>
>>
>>
>> I really doubt that the Xbox360 will ever offer full backwards
>> compatibility with Xbox games. They're going with software emulation,
>> which as you know, is very difficult to get right even for one game -
>> much less a whole slew of games. Microsoft has said how they'll
>> continue to release updates that will enable more and more games to be
>> played on the 360, but my guess is that these updates (assuming
>> they'll even do them) won't go on much beyond the first year of the
>> 360's lifespan.
>
>
> Just as long as they get Kabuki Warriors working. Screw the rest, this
> is top priority stuff.
>
> Swi
You sure you don't mean bukkake warriors?

 

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for me im not interested in old titles whatsoever, im moving into the next
generation of games, not looking backwards, as im sure many others will too.

Most games will work on XBOX 360 im sure of it, for those that are
interested


<richardhutnik@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1121970801.776271.29950@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
> This sudden revelation about questions regarding backwards
> compatibility are having me cancel the deposit I put down on the 360
> and am going to do a wait and see regarding it. Too many questions
> here. I will have my eyes open, however, and wait until there is
> enough new stuff out for the system to warrent purchase, clarification
> of backwards compatibility, and also the availability of getting one.
> I do have enough X-Box stuff I can still get to, so no rush to do now.
> I had hopes (after initial word was full backward compatibility about)
> to trade the XBox in and get the smaller system.
>
> Anyhow, do feel free to correct me on this, but the backwards
> compatibility issue is uncertain here. I am not just interested in
> "TOP SELLERS", but all the more minor titles.
>
> - Richard Hutnik
>

 

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richardhutnik@hotmail.com wrote:
> This sudden revelation about questions regarding backwards
> compatibility are having me cancel the deposit I put down on the 360
> and am going to do a wait and see regarding it. Too many questions
> here. I will have my eyes open, however, and wait until there is
> enough new stuff out for the system to warrent purchase, clarification
> of backwards compatibility, and also the availability of getting one.
> I do have enough X-Box stuff I can still get to, so no rush to do now.
> I had hopes (after initial word was full backward compatibility about)
> to trade the XBox in and get the smaller system.
>

This is one of those areas, like the MTV 'thing', where I have really
been wondering what the hell is going on with the current xbox team. For
a while they seemed to be downplaying BC, many people grumbled, but
seemed to accept the fact. But sometime before E3 someone decided they
needed to claim BC, and they did. Like the MTV thing, it just ends up
doing more harm than good.

 

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My only concern is the newer games that come out for the Xbox around the
holidays... games like "From Russia With Love", will it be playable on the
360?



"steven" <stevep@tscotsman.plus.com> wrote in message
news:42e00960$0$2461$ed2619ec@ptn-nntp-reader01.plus.net...
> for me im not interested in old titles whatsoever, im moving into the next
> generation of games, not looking backwards, as im sure many others will
too.
>
> Most games will work on XBOX 360 im sure of it, for those that are
> interested
>
>
> <richardhutnik@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1121970801.776271.29950@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
> > This sudden revelation about questions regarding backwards
> > compatibility are having me cancel the deposit I put down on the 360
> > and am going to do a wait and see regarding it. Too many questions
> > here. I will have my eyes open, however, and wait until there is
> > enough new stuff out for the system to warrent purchase, clarification
> > of backwards compatibility, and also the availability of getting one.
> > I do have enough X-Box stuff I can still get to, so no rush to do now.
> > I had hopes (after initial word was full backward compatibility about)
> > to trade the XBox in and get the smaller system.
> >
> > Anyhow, do feel free to correct me on this, but the backwards
> > compatibility issue is uncertain here. I am not just interested in
> > "TOP SELLERS", but all the more minor titles.
> >
> > - Richard Hutnik
> >
>
>

 

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<richardhutnik@hotmail.com> wrote:
>This sudden revelation about questions regarding backwards
>compatibility are having me cancel the deposit I put down on the 360

What sudden revelation are you talking about?

--
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cents per pound." - USA TODAY editorial, March 25 2004.
(Right now, Canada and the US plan to increase test coverage by a
factor of ten -- which will still test less than 1% of all cattle.)

 

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Andrew, that the backwards compatibility that was talked of in the past
is likely to be hardly anything close to full compatibility.

- Richard Hutnik

 

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<richardhutnik@hotmail.com> wrote:
>Andrew, that the backwards compatibility that was talked of in the past
>is likely to be hardly anything close to full compatibility.

Yes, but where did you hear it from?

--
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Grues Day, Wands Day, Birthday, Frob [tm] Day, Star Day. [...] Birthday,
before the Fall of the Empire was the official observation of Dimwit
Flathead's birthday." -Encyclopedia Frobozzica.

 

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babanoosh <snoop@dodgeit.com> wrote:

> > Consider the many people who DON'T have an Xbox. If XBox360 was fully
> > backwards compatible, this would give them access to the older games as
> > well as the new ones from day one.

> At this point, the many people who don't already have an xbox probably
> wouldn't be very interested in an xbox, don't you think?

Not necessarily... The majority of households are only going to buy *one*
console per generation. This is where the real fight between Sony and
Microsoft is going to take place. People like you and me are going to buy
both (if not all 3) simply because we're gamers, collectors, and/or have
the disposable income available.

Even then, I didn't decide to get an Xbox until earlier this year. At
that point, I was torn between waiting to see if the 360 was going to be
backwards compatible, and just buying an Xbox "now". My wife solved that
problem for me But had I known back then that Xbox360 was going to be
fully backwards compatible, I would have just waited for the 360, and just
buy a bunch of Xbox games.

> > It also gives the Xbox360 a larger library on day one - something that
> > potential customers are going to be interested in.

> Well, I'm with that lad as far as this, but then I guess that could be
> because my box is modded and has way to much value in its multimedia
> capabilities for me to ever think about parting with it.

I'm aware of the awesome capabilities a modded Xbox posesses, but I'm
ignoring those since your average person isn't going to be interested in
something like that.

> At this rate, I'll probably make a
> > decision between PS3 and Xbox360 after each has had a price drop.
> >
> By both big dollar! I know you're staying in the valley so you must
> be rich.

Doesn't matter. I just don't have the time to play that I used to. Seems
to be the inevitable curse of being an older gamer...

 

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Andrew Ryan Chang <archang@sfu.ca> wrote:

> <richardhutnik@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >Andrew, that the backwards compatibility that was talked of in the past
> >is likely to be hardly anything close to full compatibility.

> Yes, but where did you hear it from?

That's been around since E3, when Microsoft finally announced (in a small
voice) how they're going to provide backwards compatibility for the
Xbox360 when its HW architecture differs so much from the original Xbox's.

Microsoft said they were developing a software emulator for the 360 and
that they were going to initially focus on the "popular" titles. Although
their emulator may eventually be able to handle a vast majority of Xbox
games, I think by that time XBox backwards compatibility won't matter any
more.

 

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ARC, that news was on here, and had me concerned.

- Richard Hutnik

 

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Doug Jacobs wrote:
> babanoosh <snoop@dodgeit.com> wrote:
>
>
>>>Consider the many people who DON'T have an Xbox. If XBox360 was fully
>>>backwards compatible, this would give them access to the older games as
>>>well as the new ones from day one.
>
>
>>At this point, the many people who don't already have an xbox probably
>>wouldn't be very interested in an xbox, don't you think?
>
>
> Not necessarily... The majority of households are only going to buy *one*
> console per generation. This is where the real fight between Sony and
> Microsoft is going to take place. People like you and me are going to buy
> both (if not all 3) simply because we're gamers, collectors, and/or have
> the disposable income available.

I don't see how this has to do with "one console per generation". Next
console this fall= new generation= one console. Most (not all) folks
will not care about backwards compatibility. Most (not all) that like
the xbox HAVE an xbox. That's all I'm saying.
>
> Even then, I didn't decide to get an Xbox until earlier this year. At
> that point, I was torn between waiting to see if the 360 was going to be
> backwards compatible, and just buying an Xbox "now". My wife solved that
> problem for me But had I known back then that Xbox360 was going to be
> fully backwards compatible, I would have just waited for the 360, and just
> buy a bunch of Xbox games.
>
That's cool. Personally, I definitely wouldn't buy an xbox unless for
modding. There is an increasing diminishing return IMO. I don't see an
interesting game coming out until probably the Suffering 2 and Seven
Sorrows and that's months away.

>
>>>It also gives the Xbox360 a larger library on day one - something that
>>>potential customers are going to be interested in.

People that want to purchase the Xbox 360 on day numero uno (and pay the
heftiest) price do not appear to me, to be the ones concerned with
playing xbox 1 titles, except for you
>
>
>>Well, I'm with that lad as far as this, but then I guess that could be
>>because my box is modded and has way to much value in its multimedia
>>capabilities for me to ever think about parting with it.
>
>
> I'm aware of the awesome capabilities a modded Xbox posesses, but I'm
> ignoring those since your average person isn't going to be interested in
> something like that.

I wasn't really relating to anyone else, just running at the mouth :0

>
>> At this rate, I'll probably make a
>>
>>>decision between PS3 and Xbox360 after each has had a price drop.

Decision? I thought you just said people like you and me are going to
buy all three?

>>>
>>
>>By both big dollar! I know you're staying in the valley so you must
>>be rich.
>
>
> Doesn't matter. I just don't have the time to play that I used to. Seems
> to be the inevitable curse of being an older gamer...

I concur.

 

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babanoosh <snoopdizzel@dodgeit.com> wrote:

> > Not necessarily... The majority of households are only going to buy *one*
> > console per generation. This is where the real fight between Sony and
> > Microsoft is going to take place. People like you and me are going to buy
> > both (if not all 3) simply because we're gamers, collectors, and/or have
> > the disposable income available.

> I don't see how this has to do with "one console per generation". Next
> console this fall= new generation= one console. Most (not all) folks
> will not care about backwards compatibility. Most (not all) that like
> the xbox HAVE an xbox. That's all I'm saying.

The big thing about backwards compatibility is that it's a sales feature.
It helps close the deal. If someone was on the fence about which to buy,
being told that one console actually plays the library of two consoles
could help tip the decision - even if the person doesn't end up actually
playing that many (if any) older games.

With the Xbox, you couldn't have backwards compatibility, so you couldn't
hold that against them. However, with the Xbox360, NOT having full
backwards compatibility could be seen as a weakness (one less "check mark"
for them - one more for PS3.) No it might not be a deal breaker for first
time Xbox buyers but it might cause them to pause.

> >> At this rate, I'll probably make a
> >>
> >>>decision between PS3 and Xbox360 after each has had a price drop.

> Decision? I thought you just said people like you and me are going to
> buy all three?

Not at once you know And definitely not until there's a handful of
games I'm interested available for that particular console.

 

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Doug Jacobs wrote:
> The big thing about backwards compatibility is that it's a sales feature.
> It helps close the deal. If someone was on the fence about which to buy,
> being told that one console actually plays the library of two consoles
> could help tip the decision - even if the person doesn't end up actually
> playing that many (if any) older games.
>
> With the Xbox, you couldn't have backwards compatibility, so you couldn't
> hold that against them. However, with the Xbox360, NOT having full
> backwards compatibility could be seen as a weakness (one less "check mark"
> for them - one more for PS3.) No it might not be a deal breaker for first
> time Xbox buyers but it might cause them to pause.
>

This is an area where I just don't what MS is thinking.

For a long time they downplayed BC. And the all of a sudden they felt
compeled to claim BC.

It seems they have created an issue that just wasn't there and now seems
to be a constant thorn in the side of the 360. People hear a claim of BC
for the 360 and then are dissapointed to learn that it is only for some
titles.

Everyone seemed to accepted the fact of no 360 BC. I don't know why they
just didn't stick to downplaying it and then at some later, even after
release, surprised everyone with releasing the stuff needed for BC
support for a large number of big titles.

 

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Kent Rastin <krastin@renolds.com> wrote:

> For a long time they downplayed BC. And the all of a sudden they felt
> compeled to claim BC.

Well, this IS the company that said that the internet was just a "passing
fad", then suddenly scrmbled to release a web browser...

> It seems they have created an issue that just wasn't there and now seems
> to be a constant thorn in the side of the 360. People hear a claim of BC
> for the 360 and then are dissapointed to learn that it is only for some
> titles.

> Everyone seemed to accepted the fact of no 360 BC. I don't know why they
> just didn't stick to downplaying it and then at some later, even after
> release, surprised everyone with releasing the stuff needed for BC
> support for a large number of big titles.

Microsoft kept refusing to answer questions about the 360 until E3 rolled
around (and even then, the information given wasn't all that
enlightening.) It was obvious from the hardware specs that the 360 was
not going to be hardware compatible with Xbox games. So people had, on
some level, given up on the idea that the 360 would be backwards
compatible. Unfortunatly, Microsoft kept making non-comittal noises about
BC all the way up until E3. And even then, their press release didn't
really reassure people that the 360 would play Xbox games.

I suspect that Microsoft probably wanted to have a BC demo ready for E3,
but they couldn't get the emulator teady in time.

I personally won't believe the 360 is BC (even partially BC) until I see
it. And I suspect that anyone who's expecting the 360's BC feature to be
as smooth as the PS2's (and PS3's) BC feature will be sorely dissapointed.