[WFB] Charging question

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>I had a situation come up at a Warhammer tournament yesterday:
>
>H
>Teutogen \ W /B a
>Guard / K \M r
>p
>i
>e
>s


Ugh. Is this basically the situation?

Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha

BM

WK WK WK WK WK
WK WK WK WK WK

TG TG TG TG
TG TG TG TG
TG TG TG TG
TG TG TG TG

i.e., were the Wolfkin blocking line of sight to the manticore before
any movement took place?

>So I tried to first declare a charge by the wolfkin on the harpies,
and
>second declare a charge by the Teutogen Guard on the manticore. The
>Wolfkin could see the harpies, and even if the harpies fled, the four
>inch failed charge would be enough to take the wolfkin past the
>manticore, leaving a clear lane for the Teutogen Guard to charge the
>manticore.
>
>My opponent told me that I could not charge with the Teutogen Guard,
>even though they could see the manticore, because the wolfkin were
>blocking the charge. He believed that a Q&A from White Dwarf had
>clarified you can only declare a charge if you can make the charge
>initially, not if you can only make the charge after other charges
>move.
>
>The judge sided with him, so I dropped it, but was that correct or
was
>I denied a legal charge?

The judge (and your opponent) were correct, assuming you couldn't see
the manticore before the Wolfkin move. I forget the page reference and
don't have the book to hand, but the movement phase is clearly
itemised in the rulebook - the 'Declare Charges' stage is the first,
followed by 'Move Chargers'. This means that all your charges have to
be declared against legal targets before anyone moves.

Philip Bowles

 

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"Philip Bowles" <pbowles@aol.com> wrote in message
news:587631d1.0501240736.39f743e8@posting.google.com...
> >I had a situation come up at a Warhammer tournament yesterday:
> >
> >H
> >Teutogen \ W /B a
> >Guard / K \M r
> >p
> >i
> >e
> >s
>
>
> Ugh. Is this basically the situation?
>
> Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha
>
> BM
>
> WK WK WK WK WK
> WK WK WK WK WK
>
> TG TG TG TG
> TG TG TG TG
> TG TG TG TG
> TG TG TG TG
>
> i.e., were the Wolfkin blocking line of sight to the manticore before
> any movement took place?
>
> >So I tried to first declare a charge by the wolfkin on the harpies,
> and
> >second declare a charge by the Teutogen Guard on the manticore. The
> >Wolfkin could see the harpies, and even if the harpies fled, the four
> >inch failed charge would be enough to take the wolfkin past the
> >manticore, leaving a clear lane for the Teutogen Guard to charge the
> >manticore.
> >
> >My opponent told me that I could not charge with the Teutogen Guard,
> >even though they could see the manticore, because the wolfkin were
> >blocking the charge. He believed that a Q&A from White Dwarf had
> >clarified you can only declare a charge if you can make the charge
> >initially, not if you can only make the charge after other charges
> >move.
> >
> >The judge sided with him, so I dropped it, but was that correct or
> was
> >I denied a legal charge?
>
> The judge (and your opponent) were correct, assuming you couldn't see
> the manticore before the Wolfkin move. I forget the page reference and
> don't have the book to hand, but the movement phase is clearly
> itemised in the rulebook - the 'Declare Charges' stage is the first,
> followed by 'Move Chargers'. This means that all your charges have to
> be declared against legal targets before anyone moves.

If the Manticore is a large target I believe you can declare charges against
it as long as any non-large intervening units get out of the way during the
charge process...been awhile since that came up though.

 

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On 1/24/05 12:43 PM, in article cF9Jd.4182$SA5.1493@fe03.lga, "Donovan
Borman" <borscope@charter.net> wrote:

>
> "Philip Bowles" <pbowles@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:587631d1.0501240736.39f743e8@posting.google.com...
>>> I had a situation come up at a Warhammer tournament yesterday:
>>>
>>> H
>>> Teutogen \ W /B a
>>> Guard / K \M r
>>> p
>>> i
>>> e
>>> s
>>
>>
>> Ugh. Is this basically the situation?
>>
>> Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha
>>
>> BM
>>
>> WK WK WK WK WK
>> WK WK WK WK WK
>>
>> TG TG TG TG
>> TG TG TG TG
>> TG TG TG TG
>> TG TG TG TG
>>
>> i.e., were the Wolfkin blocking line of sight to the manticore before
>> any movement took place?
>>
>>> So I tried to first declare a charge by the wolfkin on the harpies,
>> and
>>> second declare a charge by the Teutogen Guard on the manticore. The
>>> Wolfkin could see the harpies, and even if the harpies fled, the four
>>> inch failed charge would be enough to take the wolfkin past the
>>> manticore, leaving a clear lane for the Teutogen Guard to charge the
>>> manticore.
>>>
>>> My opponent told me that I could not charge with the Teutogen Guard,
>>> even though they could see the manticore, because the wolfkin were
>>> blocking the charge. He believed that a Q&A from White Dwarf had
>>> clarified you can only declare a charge if you can make the charge
>>> initially, not if you can only make the charge after other charges
>>> move.
>>>
>>> The judge sided with him, so I dropped it, but was that correct or
>> was
>>> I denied a legal charge?
>>
>> The judge (and your opponent) were correct, assuming you couldn't see
>> the manticore before the Wolfkin move. I forget the page reference and
>> don't have the book to hand, but the movement phase is clearly
>> itemised in the rulebook - the 'Declare Charges' stage is the first,
>> followed by 'Move Chargers'. This means that all your charges have to
>> be declared against legal targets before anyone moves.
>
> If the Manticore is a large target I believe you can declare charges against
> it as long as any non-large intervening units get out of the way during the
> charge process...been awhile since that came up though.
>
You wanted to declare a charge through your own unit? I don't think you can
do that. At the time of declaring charges, something was in the way. What
a mess if that something was charging a terror causing enemy and failed
their leadership test.


janet
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