I am thinking of getting a good water cooling kit in order to cool my newly acquired pentium 4 3.4 478 so that i can get it up to 4.0, any body have any idea what amd processor would compete with a 4.0? i know there is the 4000+ but i have a feeling those numbers to really matter.
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I'd say a 4000+
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OK it's your choice:
You can have the boat, or you can have the Mystery Box!
...Hey wait a minute! A boat's a boat, but a Mystery Box could be anything. It could even be a boat
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OK it's your choice:
You can have the boat, or you can have the Mystery Box!
...Hey wait a minute! A boat's a boat, but a Mystery Box could be anything. It could even be a boat
I am just curious where you get your facts. A little reading may help you. I can foresee you grow into a real hardware guru if you can learn to throw away your prejudices and be discerning of the things you read on the web and the forums.
For example, if the poster is interested in the performance equivalent of an OC'ed P4 ~4GHz vis-avis A64 as far as gaming is concerned, he may want to try this link
http://anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=2330&p=8
On Cache and Bandwidth:
You do mean cash, and fan width goes to Intel right? - endyen 05
For example, if the poster is interested in the performance equivalent of an OC'ed P4 ~4GHz vis-avis A64 as far as gaming is concerned, he may want to try this link
http://anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=2330&p=8
On Cache and Bandwidth:
You do mean cash, and fan width goes to Intel right? - endyen 05
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id say the 4000+. Amd is good at gamin, intel for media. Buh amd marketing stragety sucks so the'll never beat intel.
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It's funny exactly how obvious it is when someone doesn't know what the hell they're talking about. I wonder if that guy even read the forums before he decided to post that crap....
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Yes.
But on the other hand, AMD do make the better processors.
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OK it's your choice:
You can have the boat, or you can have the Mystery Box!
...Hey wait a minute! A boat's a boat, but a Mystery Box could be anything. It could even be a boat
But on the other hand, AMD do make the better processors.
______________
OK it's your choice:
You can have the boat, or you can have the Mystery Box!
...Hey wait a minute! A boat's a boat, but a Mystery Box could be anything. It could even be a boat
http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=2330&p=2
http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=2275&p=6
http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=2275&p=7
http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=2275&p=8
http://www.tomshardware.com/cpu/20041114/index.html
http://www.tomshardware.com/cpu/20041019/athlon64_4000-16.html
http://reviews.zdnet.co.uk/hardware/processorsmemory/0,39024015,39164010-3,00.htm
http://reviews.zdnet.co.uk/hardware/processorsmemory/0,39024015,39164010-4,00.htm
http://reviews.zdnet.co.uk/hardware/processorsmemory/0,39024015,39164010-6,00.htm
http://reviews.zdnet.co.uk/hardware/processorsmemory/0,39024015,39164010-17,00.htm
Well, whatever, I could quote 500 more..
http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=2275&p=6
http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=2275&p=7
http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=2275&p=8
http://www.tomshardware.com/cpu/20041114/index.html
http://www.tomshardware.com/cpu/20041019/athlon64_4000-16.html
http://reviews.zdnet.co.uk/hardware/processorsmemory/0,39024015,39164010-3,00.htm
http://reviews.zdnet.co.uk/hardware/processorsmemory/0,39024015,39164010-4,00.htm
http://reviews.zdnet.co.uk/hardware/processorsmemory/0,39024015,39164010-6,00.htm
http://reviews.zdnet.co.uk/hardware/processorsmemory/0,39024015,39164010-17,00.htm
Well, whatever, I could quote 500 more..
Lost cause. Leave him to his DIY fusion reactors.
It's like AmDmElTdOwN but without the humour to redeem himself. (if you didn't lurk around the forums a few years back you'll not understand that one)
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It's like AmDmElTdOwN but without the humour to redeem himself. (if you didn't lurk around the forums a few years back you'll not understand that one)
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"Sex without love is an empty experience...
But as empty experiences go, it's one of the best" - Woody Allen
I built a 386 as my first PC. Then I moved on to Pentium 100mhz. Then a P24 00 mhz. then Pentium 3 500hmz. Then P3 coppermine 850, till the Athlon XP came out and I ran a 1800+ then upgraded to a 2400+ on a the widly known value board the Shuttle AK31. AMD seemed to not be able to manage large hard drive arrays full of data very well and run windows XP. I switched a a Athlon 64 3200+ (Radeon 9800XT) almost a year ago. After 6 mo's of use Windows was crashing like it did on my Athlon XP's I also had Crash's in several games like Postal 2, Morrowind, and Neverwinter Nights they persisted even AFTER a system wipe.
About 2 months ago I grew sick of AMD unstability and decided to go LGA 775 with DDR2 and PCI-Express Video card the 6800GT. The best decition I ever made. The games I stated above run without crash's like they did on my Ahtlon XP systems and my athlon 64 that ran like a slug with over 300 GB of stored data.
What is a faster processor if it is less stable in games and cause's them to crash? In all the new games D3 and HL2 I have never had a single crash ever!
Everyone says the LGA775 runs hot and u need "special skills" and whatnot to deal with it. HELL NO! I have never once had a single problem with overheating with a stock solution and a case with good airflow.
I doubt any of you has much first hand experience with the LGA775 breed and are just talking out your ass. Half of those reviews do attest to the P4's stability and how much better it is to multitask etc. AMD is good at benchmarks but cannot peform in the real world applications. This is proved by intel winning the encoding and media menchmarks becuase AMD doesnt care about those its making a processor purly to perform under certain tests and conditions.
Try running 2 300GB drives on an Nforce 3 chipset full of data chug chu chug! then try intel smooth as butter.
Also, when games start multi-threading intel which we could possibly see on upcomming titels intel will own AMD once and forall.
About 2 months ago I grew sick of AMD unstability and decided to go LGA 775 with DDR2 and PCI-Express Video card the 6800GT. The best decition I ever made. The games I stated above run without crash's like they did on my Ahtlon XP systems and my athlon 64 that ran like a slug with over 300 GB of stored data.
What is a faster processor if it is less stable in games and cause's them to crash? In all the new games D3 and HL2 I have never had a single crash ever!
Everyone says the LGA775 runs hot and u need "special skills" and whatnot to deal with it. HELL NO! I have never once had a single problem with overheating with a stock solution and a case with good airflow.
I doubt any of you has much first hand experience with the LGA775 breed and are just talking out your ass. Half of those reviews do attest to the P4's stability and how much better it is to multitask etc. AMD is good at benchmarks but cannot peform in the real world applications. This is proved by intel winning the encoding and media menchmarks becuase AMD doesnt care about those its making a processor purly to perform under certain tests and conditions.
Try running 2 300GB drives on an Nforce 3 chipset full of data chug chu chug! then try intel smooth as butter.
Also, when games start multi-threading intel which we could possibly see on upcomming titels intel will own AMD once and forall.
Try building a computer the right way, then come back and talk to us.
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What did you do to troubleshoot the system other than say "Bah, it's AMD... it's the suxxxors!"? My guess is not nearly enough as people run similar configurations with no problems.
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It has long been my opinion that AMD's belong in home computers for those who game more than anything else while Intel's belong in the workplace.
But if you really want to do the AMD vs Intel argument, you may as well argue Ford vs Chevy, Bulls vs Blazers, glass half empty vs half full, etc because I think just about everyone has a different opinion based on past experience, and what they primarily use the computer for.
But if you really want to do the AMD vs Intel argument, you may as well argue Ford vs Chevy, Bulls vs Blazers, glass half empty vs half full, etc because I think just about everyone has a different opinion based on past experience, and what they primarily use the computer for.
It's funny, because I'm typing this on my work computer... which happens to be a 1GHz Athlon (Thunderbird core). This has been my work computer for 3 years... and not a single crash. Not ONE blue screen. So I ask you... if AMD is so 'unstable'... how the hell do you explain that?
I await your explanation with baited breath.
(Oh and Crash, it also happens to have a VIA chipset
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<font color=red> If you design software that is fool-proof, only a fool will want to use it. </font color=red>
I await your explanation with baited breath.
(Oh and Crash, it also happens to have a VIA chipset
)<font color=red> If you design software that is fool-proof, only a fool will want to use it. </font color=red>
Yes, a XP1800+ on a KT266 chipset would probably crash. VIA back then consistently produced shite. They seem better these days, but I'm not buying anything from them again...
I've also never Had a crash in HL2 or Doom3..
And I'm running an Athlon XP.
Encoding suits the architecture of the P4. That's why it does so well. Games, and almost everything else, suit something like the Athlon more.
What evidence do you have to say the A64 chips don't perform as well in 'the real world'? This just your opinion? I would say provide some proof but that would involve benchmarks which you distrust..... So it's your word against everyone else in the universe. Look at it logically: are all those reviewers and end users wrong?
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I have 240Gb, split over 3 80Gb drives.. Not <i>that</i> large by todays standards, but a decent amount nonetheless... It runs flawlessly and is lovely and fast...
I've also never Had a crash in HL2 or Doom3..
And I'm running an Athlon XP.
So suddenly you <i>believe</i> the reviews which are spouting so much bull$hit about the A64's being faster.... Make up your mind please... here I was thinking benchmarks don't matter, yet you're pointing out the P4 <i>does</i> win some! Why do you care - it's all BS right?
Encoding suits the architecture of the P4. That's why it does so well. Games, and almost everything else, suit something like the Athlon more.
Ever heard of Dual core? dumbass.
What evidence do you have to say the A64 chips don't perform as well in 'the real world'? This just your opinion? I would say provide some proof but that would involve benchmarks which you distrust..... So it's your word against everyone else in the universe. Look at it logically: are all those reviewers and end users wrong?
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"Try running 2 300GB drives on an Nforce 3 chipset full of data chug chu chug! then try intel smooth as butter."
Ok, I dont run 2 300 gigs drives, but 2 160gigs in RAID0 on nforce full of data..enough data to fill up another 200gigs.. and a 40 gigs... on that nforce3 controller...
It might be true that I have no personnal experience with lga 775, but I remember, in the Athlon Thunderbird time, how Intel user, with no experience, were saying how much those thunderbird were overheating.. They were running just hot, as the prescott do today. And it is true, even if I never had any overheating problem with the Tbird, that you had to think about heat management in your case, thing that were not current in these time, with P3 and older AMD chip. I'm pretty sure that if I had to build an Intel system now, I'll be able to put a nice system without any heat problem. But I dont really see why I would do that because I save money with perfectly stable and performing AMD system. And guess what ?? ...I am able to build an Intel system that will crash and be plagued with instability problems anytime if I want to.
Yes I make some fun about heat Prescott, but Intel did meke some fun about my older AMD... If you spit in the air, it sometime fall back in your face.
I dont feel any emotion about either AMD or Intel, as some do. I just feel better value. Just as I dont feel sorry about you lack of succes with AMD or happy with your Intel succes.
I'm pretty sure that I could have make both of your AMD system stable. Fact is, my last board, which was running rock stable in my case has some issue in my friend case. He cannot even oveclock it as I did... and it is a mobile 2500+... same board, same cpu, but a cheap 450W PSU that my TT 420w outperform by every way. Put that PSU in you lga 775 rig, an come back about your stability. I dont means that you have put some cheaper component in you AMD rig and better one in you Intel rig. Or you get a better vented case for your Intel.
As for AMD being only benchmark chip... well, maybe. But isn't what most of the peoples buy??? they dont buy Intel or AMD, they buy 10 FPS more... I dont care about any benchmark. I look at feature and performance for the price I pay. That is my benchmark. And the reason that I get AMD every time I upgrade.
And why Intel is faster at encoding and media benchmark is fairly simple. If you know a bit about how encoding, or rendering work, you'll know trhat they are boring task for CPU... Same instruction over and over..take that chunk of data, apply some math to it, then send the result back, then take another chunck, ... That why pure clock speed win. But take complex operation with lot of instruction change. Why AMD perform better here is because of its shorter pipeline. Both CPU has a branch prediction unit. This unit try to guess what will be the next instruction used and start the execution. But let say that the prediction unit did a mistake, because game, for example, is not something easy to predict, as it rely to user input. Both CPU'S pipeline are full of instruction. happen the mistake, both pipeline has to be flushed and refilled. Which pipeline will fill up and process the next instruction faster? the shorter one. And which CPU has the shorter one..The AMD. It is just that.... the way the processor is designed. There is no magic. just design.
I'd like to see which one will encode faster. The 2.4GHz AMD or the 2.4GHz Intel. I have no idea.
I dont want to argue in favor of one or another. If you read the forum, you'll see that there is as much as instability problems with Intel than AMD. It just happen...
I'm maybe just a lucky guy that has got everithing right every time. And I'm a bit sick about all the bashing at AMD and Intel because I know that both can be as stable as the other. But I wont stop making fun at Intel guy that has hot chip... because they once had fun at me.. I remember!!!
So, my friend, start your AC and have some fun with your computer...
Did I had some fun at an Intel user right now??? 😱
-Always put the blame on you first, then on the hardware !!!
Ok, I dont run 2 300 gigs drives, but 2 160gigs in RAID0 on nforce full of data..enough data to fill up another 200gigs.. and a 40 gigs... on that nforce3 controller...
It might be true that I have no personnal experience with lga 775, but I remember, in the Athlon Thunderbird time, how Intel user, with no experience, were saying how much those thunderbird were overheating.. They were running just hot, as the prescott do today. And it is true, even if I never had any overheating problem with the Tbird, that you had to think about heat management in your case, thing that were not current in these time, with P3 and older AMD chip. I'm pretty sure that if I had to build an Intel system now, I'll be able to put a nice system without any heat problem. But I dont really see why I would do that because I save money with perfectly stable and performing AMD system. And guess what ?? ...I am able to build an Intel system that will crash and be plagued with instability problems anytime if I want to.
Yes I make some fun about heat Prescott, but Intel did meke some fun about my older AMD... If you spit in the air, it sometime fall back in your face.
I dont feel any emotion about either AMD or Intel, as some do. I just feel better value. Just as I dont feel sorry about you lack of succes with AMD or happy with your Intel succes.
I'm pretty sure that I could have make both of your AMD system stable. Fact is, my last board, which was running rock stable in my case has some issue in my friend case. He cannot even oveclock it as I did... and it is a mobile 2500+... same board, same cpu, but a cheap 450W PSU that my TT 420w outperform by every way. Put that PSU in you lga 775 rig, an come back about your stability. I dont means that you have put some cheaper component in you AMD rig and better one in you Intel rig. Or you get a better vented case for your Intel.
As for AMD being only benchmark chip... well, maybe. But isn't what most of the peoples buy??? they dont buy Intel or AMD, they buy 10 FPS more... I dont care about any benchmark. I look at feature and performance for the price I pay. That is my benchmark. And the reason that I get AMD every time I upgrade.
And why Intel is faster at encoding and media benchmark is fairly simple. If you know a bit about how encoding, or rendering work, you'll know trhat they are boring task for CPU... Same instruction over and over..take that chunk of data, apply some math to it, then send the result back, then take another chunck, ... That why pure clock speed win. But take complex operation with lot of instruction change. Why AMD perform better here is because of its shorter pipeline. Both CPU has a branch prediction unit. This unit try to guess what will be the next instruction used and start the execution. But let say that the prediction unit did a mistake, because game, for example, is not something easy to predict, as it rely to user input. Both CPU'S pipeline are full of instruction. happen the mistake, both pipeline has to be flushed and refilled. Which pipeline will fill up and process the next instruction faster? the shorter one. And which CPU has the shorter one..The AMD. It is just that.... the way the processor is designed. There is no magic. just design.
I'd like to see which one will encode faster. The 2.4GHz AMD or the 2.4GHz Intel. I have no idea.
I dont want to argue in favor of one or another. If you read the forum, you'll see that there is as much as instability problems with Intel than AMD. It just happen...
I'm maybe just a lucky guy that has got everithing right every time. And I'm a bit sick about all the bashing at AMD and Intel because I know that both can be as stable as the other. But I wont stop making fun at Intel guy that has hot chip... because they once had fun at me.. I remember!!!
So, my friend, start your AC and have some fun with your computer...
Did I had some fun at an Intel user right now??? 😱
-Always put the blame on you first, then on the hardware !!!
dhlucke
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Back then the SIS735 was the superior chipset and the VIA KT266 had to be replaced by the KT266a.
I still run my K7S5A and I've had over half a terrabyte of drives running on it no problem with both a tbird1000 and a tbred 2400+.
Next time read the reviews and get the better chipset.
<A HREF="http://www.tomshardware.com/motherboard/20010808/via_kt266-41.html#to_conclude_what_does_the_near_future_have_in_store" target="_new">The reviews</A>
</font color=red><i><font color=red>GOD</font color=red> <font color=blue>BLESS </font color=blue><font color=red>AMERICA
I still run my K7S5A and I've had over half a terrabyte of drives running on it no problem with both a tbird1000 and a tbred 2400+.
Next time read the reviews and get the better chipset.
<A HREF="http://www.tomshardware.com/motherboard/20010808/via_kt266-41.html#to_conclude_what_does_the_near_future_have_in_store" target="_new">The reviews</A>
</font color=red><i><font color=red>GOD</font color=red> <font color=blue>BLESS </font color=blue><font color=red>AMERICA
I feel bad, that you have had such bad luck with Amd systems. I tell you what, ship me any Amd systems you still have. I will set them up properly.
If I can not make them run better, and as stable as a P4 with the same brand of chipset, I will replace them with an equivalent P4. PM me.
If I can not make them run better, and as stable as a P4 with the same brand of chipset, I will replace them with an equivalent P4. PM me.
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