Question What cpu should i buy for basically 3 games?

[Xkr]

Hello, im wondering which cpu i should buy for 3 games im playing: World of Warcraft, Battlefield and Call of Duty. Im not playing in any single player games and im not interested in it.
Now ive got i5 3470 with rtx2060, i know its bottlenecking af but i didint have any good multiplayer fps to play, bf 1 and v are shit, cod bo 4 was meh, but newest cod is really blast for me, i do feel old good battlefields while playing it. As we know WoW isnt that demanding.
U may ask why did u bought rtx 2060 and didnt use it for year? well my old gtx 670 burned ^^.

What are my conclusions:
Watched a lot of yt videos be4 posting and im confused, couldnt found yt who is playing only multiplayer versions of certain games, all the benchmarks are in the single player games so i dont rly care for it. Im assuming that next BF will use more than 6 cores and 6 threads, even newest cod is running like crap on my i5 3470 100% usage all the time same was with Bf 1 and Bf V, seems like next games will be very core/threads dependent, especially when new consoles came out with 8/16 cpus.
Also i could buy 144 hz monitor their prices are really affordable so i could feel that wow effect, i was playing my whole life on 60 hz and mostly only fpses ^^.

So i dont rly know what path i should take i5 9600k/i7 9700 which can produce more fps but is less futureproof or
amd ryzen 3rd gen where ive got more core/threads and better futureproof but with less frames.

If i buy new monitor im not a high/ultra settings freak, i can play in the lowest settings but in stable 144 fps.

1080p ofc

Please help

 

[Darkbreeze]

Why do you figure less frames? Less frames only matters if you are not getting ENOUGH FPS to begin with, and the single core performance of the 3rd Gen Ryzen CPUs is clock for clock just as good as Intel.

Actually, it's better, depending on the instructions being tested.

https://www.cpubenchmark.net/compare/Intel-i5-9600K-vs-AMD-Ryzen-5-3600X/3337vs3494

 

[PCMDDOCTORS]

OK.... Here ya go.

PC-PART-PICKER

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 3600X 3.8 GHz 6-Core Processor ($199.99 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 Black Edition 42 CFM CPU Cooler ($34.99 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: MSI B450 TOMAHAWK MAX ATX AM4 Motherboard ($114.99 @ B&H)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance RGB Pro 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory ($74.99 @ Best Buy)
Storage: Intel 660p Series 1.02 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive ($89.99 @ B&H)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda Compute 2 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($49.99 @ Amazon)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce RTX 2060 6 GB XC ULTRA GAMING Video Card (Purchased For $0.00)
Case: Cooler Master MasterBox MB511 RGB ATX Mid Tower Case ($86.26 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: Corsair RMx 1000 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply ($178.99 @ Amazon)
Monitor: VIOTEK GN27D 27.0" 2560x1440 144 Hz Monitor ($249.99 @ Amazon)
Total: $1080.18

 

[Darkbreeze]

Why in the name of God would you ever THINK you need a 1000w power supply for an RTX 2060 that can't possibly pull more than 650w with a full system behind it and both the CPU and GPU card overclocked to the maximum they could safely achieve? And still likely have significant headroom.

That's outlandish. That's ridiculous. That's...ok, you get the point, it's dramatically overkill.

Plus, that CPU cooler isn't necessary AT ALL unless you plan to overclock or run full PBO boost configuration. And if you do, that would not be the cooler I'd recommend anyhow.

In fact, I wouldn't recommend any CPU cooler until you have the system up and running and can determine if you even NEED an aftermarket cooler or not. You may feel like you don't. I'd do one simply because it will be quieter, but some people don't give a hoot about a noisy little fan because they will either be wearing headphones or have the surround up loud enough that it won't matter.

Also, no way they are going to hit 144fps on a 1440p display unless they are willing to seriously drop some settings, on that RTX 2060. They also SPECIFICALLY stated that they wanted a 1080p display.


I'd do something like this:

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 3600X 3.8 GHz 6-Core Processor ($199.99 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: MSI B450 TOMAHAWK MAX ATX AM4 Motherboard ($114.99 @ B&H)
Memory: G.Skill Trident Z Neo 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 Memory ($84.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $399.97
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-12-21 23:00 EST-0500


Which is apparently all they really need since they already have an otherwise fully functional system and didn't mention anything at all about needing storage devices, power supply or anything else except CPU, which obviously means they also need motherboard and memory.

Then, if they want a monitor as well, this would be a good choice.

PCPartPicker Part List

Monitor: LG 27GL650F-B 27.0" 1920x1080 144 Hz Monitor ($249.99 @ Amazon)
Total: $249.99
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-12-21 23:06 EST-0500

 

[Xkr]

Hello, thank you for all the responses. Yup i need only cpu, mobo and ram, ive got rest of the parts. So i can see ryzen will be best deal for now.
Well i saw some yt videos and i5 9600k was always 1-5 frames ahead.

 

[WildCard999]

Hello, thank you for all the responses. Yup i need only cpu, mobo and ram, ive got rest of the parts. So i can see ryzen will be best deal for now.
Well i saw some yt videos and i5 9600k was always 1-5 frames ahead.

Not worth it for the price.

 

[InvalidError]

So i can see ryzen will be best deal for now.
Well i saw some yt videos and i5 9600k was always 1-5 frames ahead.

As higher core count multi-threaded CPUs become more common, you can expect programming libraries (AI, physics, audio, animation, etc.) to make more intensive use of threads even if the rest of the game code does not and non-SMT CPUs will start to fall behind due to having to run many more smaller parallel tasks on a limited number of hardware threads.

Ryzen isn't only the best deal "for now", it will likely become an even better deal over time. Intel will be giving the i5 SMT with the 10k series a few months from now to level the playing field a little.

 

[Xkr]

The price isnt big factor cuz i5 9600kf is cheaper than ryzen 5 3600/3600x where i live. But still 6/6 seems like not enough for future gaming at 1080p with 144 hz, battlefield already can eat 90+% of intel cpu same with cod.
The thing is about fps to keep 144, and ive got only rtx 2060. Maybe i should wait for ryzen 4 gen and intel 10th. Im confused

 

[InvalidError]

Maybe i should wait for ryzen 4 gen and intel 10th. Im confused

Waiting is always an option if you don't mind stretching what you currently have a while longer. I still have an i5-3470 and still in no real hurry to replace it for any reason other than the possible upcoming DRAM price rebound, so I'm keeping an eye on DRAM prices just in case, still trending down at the moment.

 

[sizzling]

Hello, thank you for all the responses. Yup i need only cpu, mobo and ram, ive got rest of the parts. So i can see ryzen will be best deal for now.
Well i saw some yt videos and i5 9600k was always 1-5 frames ahead.

Don’t just look at average FPS, you need to look at lows 1% & 0.1% which often is better on Ryzen and has a much bigger impact than 5 FPS average. I wouldn’t buy an i5, I feel Intel only makes sense for gaming if looking at i7 or i9 but even then I personally picked the 3700X over the 9700k.

 

[Xkr]

Aye, ill wait then

 

[Darkbreeze]

How do you figure the 9600k "always" has higher FPS? It doesn't. Not in average FPS and not in 1%/low FPS, which is more important anyhow. I'm sure there are a few games where Intel wins, because there usually is when comparing somewhat similar tiered CPUs, but overall most games have higher average AND low FPS on the 3600x, and even on the 3600 non-X for that matter.

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Plus, in games where the 9600k does perform better, it's by a couple of FPS. So realistically either of these CPUs could be interchangeable in terms of whatever is cheaper might be fine. Mostly, at 1080p, for most games, these CPUs are going to have very similar performance EXCEPT where a certain game is very well optimized for multithreaded performance and then the Ryzen parts are going to do substantially better than the 9600k with it's 6 cores and no hyperthreading.

 

[ohio_buckeye]

Another thought. Depending on what the rest of your system looks like. If those 3 games are all you play, and you have say 16gb of ram, what's to stop you from using the 2060 in the current system and grabbing a used i7 3770 or 3770k? Then you could keep saving if you wanted.

I will say ryzen is pretty decent. Running a 1700x myself. Put it this way, the new ryzen 3600x is on par with last year's i7 8700k. For those games, how much more do you need?

http://hwbench.com/cpus/amd-ryzen-5-3600x-vs-intel-core-i7-8700k

 

[Darkbreeze]

Last years 8700k?

How about THIS years 9700k?

https://www.cpubenchmark.net/compare/Intel-i7-9700K-vs-AMD-Ryzen-5-3600X/3335vs3494


Games where Intel generally does better are games that have already previously been released BEFORE the 3rd Gen Ryzen CPUs were released. As was mentioned earlier, and in addition to the idea that current 3rd Gen Ryzen is just about on even parity with Intel 9th gen CPUs, as devs develop new games they will increasingly do so WITH considerations for Ryzen and it's higher core counts in mind as well as the fact that now Intel is playing the core count game as well. I would expect future games that are currently in the design phase to offer much better performance using Ryzen CPUs than what current ones do. That probably, almost certainly, applies to productivity and professional applications as well.

 

[Xkr]

Another thought. Depending on what the rest of your system looks like. If those 3 games are all you play, and you have say 16gb of ram, what's to stop you from using the 2060 in the current system and grabbing a used i7 3770 or 3770k? Then you could keep saving if you wanted.

I will say ryzen is pretty decent. Running a 1700x myself. Put it this way, the new ryzen 3600x is on par with last year's i7 8700k. For those games, how much more do you need?

http://hwbench.com/cpus/amd-ryzen-5-3600x-vs-intel-core-i7-8700k

Well, wait isnt i7 3770k a 4/4?, it will slutter too in new cod i think?, on i5 3470 im able to play small maps at 60-100 fps on lowest settings with rtx 2060. Bigger maps isnt even an option about 40 fps and slutter every 1-2 secs. Wont tell anything about BF V cuz there is no "small maps" like in cod.

Cod and bf is problem here, they are using 4/4 at 100% all the time, even i5 9600k at stock clocks can go upto 90-95% in certain moments, so im not sure that i7 3770 can handle it like it shoud

@Darkbreeze
Can be right, looking at upcoming consoles they can move this trend to pc

 

[Darkbreeze]

Consoles are getting better, but they will never be AS good as a PC, because a PC simply allows for a lot more freedom to customize, upgrade, add hardware and use mods that can't be easily done on most consoles. It's always an option, but it's never the better option IMO.

No, the 3770k is NOT a 4/4. It is a 4/8. It has four cores and four hyperthreads. It is an option as well, but ONLY if you can get one cheap enough from a trustworthy source. Otherwise, again, it is money better spent being put towards a current modern platform upgrade.

https://ark.intel.com/content/www/u...-3770k-processor-8m-cache-up-to-3-90-ghz.html

 

[Xkr]

@Darkbreeze

Aye, ur right about consoles we will see how it goes.

That idea with i7 3770 isnt that stupid all my life i thought its 4/4 ^^, i could also buy 8 more ram from my friend who changed platform last week for 9600k. Ive got msi z77a-g43 motherboard, the question is should i look on 3770k or 3770 w/o K, and what prices would be nice to buy it for, i searched for a while now and i saw new one for about 156$ so is meh, for 52$ more i can buy i5 9600kf. Interesting i saw gameplays on yt and i7 3770 isnt even close to 80% while playing i bet more threads doing job here right?

 

[Karadjgne]

The most demanding parts of any online multi-player game are the AI and the other players. Despite normal operations, games like BF5, WoW, even Swtor can get highly cpu demanding. Swtor just turned 8 yrs old, the basic code hasn't changed, storyline is simple, even with 100 ppl on fleet. 8man op's are good, 16man gets a little bit laggy (especially with floating text enabled), but 24man WorldBoss fights suck. I'm down to @ 20-30fps, constant lag, gitters, stuttering etc just from all the players info combined with all the AI from spells, AoE affects, mobs AI etc. With an i7-3770K @4.6GHz.

The 9 series i5's aren't any different. Few more fps is all.

 

[Xkr]

@Karadjgne
Yea, wow is the same, its game from 2004, its poor optimalized. New cod seems better about this but it still has older graphic engine, as we can see games love to eat more than 4 threads. Can u tell me what mobo, and cpu cooling u have?

 

[Karadjgne]

I7-3770K @ 4.9GHz 1.32v. Nzxt Kraken X61 silent mode. Gaming 55°C, Prime95 small fft 70°C.

Fractal Design R5 Window, rad has been mounted both as pull/intake and push/exhaust with no real difference to temps. 2x 140mm intakes or exhaust, 2x 140mm fans on rad as intake/exhaust. No rear.

Ran that for 6 years. Then the fans (yes the Fans! you pump haters) both died, so I figured I'd get a new cooler. Got a very good deal on Cryorig R1-Ultimate, $40 new, so jumped. And now I'm kicking myself, which I knew would happen.

Currently : i7-3770K @ 4.6GHz 1.232v. Cryorig R1 Ultimate run by Bios. Gaming 55°C, Prime95 small fft 70°C.

Fractal Design R5 Window, 2x 140mm intake, 1x 140mm exhaust.

Sad part is that the Cryorig is somewhat more audible than the nzxt ever was. At any temp.

 

[Xkr]

@Karadjgne

Thanks, so are u planning upgrading to newer cpu?

 

[ohio_buckeye]

Not sure what k versions run, but looks like non k versions are on eBay for about 60 bucks. Even that and a ram bump to 16 would probably hold another year or 2.

 

[Darkbreeze]

About 120-140 bucks used on Ebay. More like 250-400 dollars for a new one.

3770 sells, not listed, but SOLD, for around 60-130 bucks. If you get lucky you might find one around 60. Right now most are a bit higher. Keep in mind, you want a REPUTABLE seller with no less than 500 sales and an approval rating of over 98% when you buy from Ebay.

Even a 3770 non-k might be worthwhile for the extra hyperthreads although you will suffer most likely for anything requiring stronger single core performance compared to the K version. And, you can't obviously overclock it or at least not easily.

 

[mdd1963]

I would discard the 9600K and below (8400, 8500, 9400, etc) from selection... (6 cores might be enough, but, IMO, 6 threads are not) (The 9600K's average FPS might show it to be awesome, but, often it's the minimum FPS specs (.1%/1% lows, arguably more important numbers than average FPS) where it's 6c/6t architecture might cause the occasional hitch or micro-stutter)

Logical choices are really only (for AMD) an R5-3600/3700-based rig, or (for Intel), an i7-9700k/9900K....

 

[Xkr]

@mdd1963
What about i7 8700?