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My current setup is:
CPU: Pentium g4560
GPU: 1650 Super 4gb
Ram: 16Gb(2x8gb) 2600mhz
PSU: 650w

I'm choosing between the intel 10400 or amd ryzen 3600.
but according to other i need a faster ram for the amd path which will make me buy another set of ram. or are there any other CPU you can suggest?

I only play valorant, League, Genshin Impact and some games like witcher 3. TIA
 

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I5 11gen is way faster than 3600, namely the 11400 or the 11600. The 10400 is on par with the 3600. If you upgrade to the 11th gen or the 5600x then these CPUs don't have bottleneck at 1080p with the rtx 3060 onwards, if you wanna upgrade your GPU in future. And this is the last AM4 series for AMD. So I suggest if you have the budget get an 11400 or 11600. Or even the 5600x.
 

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My current setup is:
CPU: Pentium g4560
GPU: 1650 Super 4gb
Ram: 16Gb(2x8gb) 2600mhz
PSU: 650w

I'm choosing between the intel 10400 or amd ryzen 3600.
but according to other i need a faster ram for the amd path which will make me buy another set of ram. or are there any other CPU you can suggest?

I only play valorant, League, Genshin Impact and some games like witcher 3. TIA
Looks like intel is also changing its socket support next series to LGA1700, so you have an option with ryzen 5 3600, you can upgrade to 5600x later in future if needed. This would be only option if you don't want to upgrade the motherboard while upgrading your cpu. Like you can use the 3600 for another two years, and upgrade to 5600x, then you will have the AM5 released.
 
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Looks like intel is also changing its socket support next series to LGA1700, so you have an option with ryzen 5 3600, you can upgrade to 5600x later in future if needed. This would be only option if you don't want to upgrade the motherboard while upgrading your cpu. Like you can use the 3600 for another two years, and upgrade to 5600x, then you will have the AM5 released.
If I go with 3600, what would be a mid tier(or budget) MB to go for while considering the upgrade path?
 

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If I go with 3600, what would be a mid tier(or budget) MB to go for while considering the upgrade path?
If you go with B550 then there are chances that you don't need to update the bios, for upgrading to 5000 series in future,
ASRock B550M Pro4 AMD AM4 Motherboard costs 126 usd. Looks like it needs a bios update for 5000 series. But it's ok you just need a processor to update the bios.
 
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If I go with 3600, what would be a mid tier(or budget) MB to go for while considering the upgrade path?
Spec
  • Supports 3rd Gen AMD AM4 Ryzen™ / Future AMD Ryzen™ Processors
  • 8 Power Phase Design, Digi Power
  • Supports DDR4 4533+ (OC)
  • 1 PCIe 4.0 x16, 1 PCIe 3.0 x16, 1 PCIe 3.0 x1, 1 M.2 Key E for WiFi
  • Graphics Output Options: HDMI, DisplayPort, D-Sub
  • AMD CrossFireX™
  • 7.1 CH HD Audio (Realtek ALC1200 Audio Codec), Nahimic Audio
  • 6 SATA3, 1 Hyper M.2 (PCIe Gen4 x4), 1 M.2 (PCIe Gen3 x2 & SATA3)
  • 2 USB 3.2 Gen2 (Rear Type A+C), 8 USB 3.2 Gen1 (4 Front, 4 Rear)
  • Realtek Gigabit LAN
ASRock provides the best budget mobo
 
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In my opinion, it strongly depends on the prices. For example in my country the h410m goes for about 70 dollars and the i5 10400f goes for about 140 dollars. Which is better than anything ryzen can offer and considering it goes only up to 2666 mhz you will have no bottleneck for the ram.
 
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In my opinion, it strongly depends on the prices. For example in my country the h410m goes for about 70 dollars and the i5 10400f goes for about 140 dollars. Which is better than anything ryzen can offer and considering it goes only up to 2666 mhz you will have no bottleneck for the ram.
The biggest problem he will face if he chooses intel will be the motherboards, AMD boards tend to be cheaper and feature rich compared to the intel counter parts, my 3600 runs well with Corsair 3200mhz in xmp mode. But I accept your point of 10400 better than 3600, as 10400 tends to have better single core performance. Eg the base h410m from asus tends to have only two ram slots. And minimal heat sinks.
 

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The biggest problem he will face if he chooses intel will be the motherboards, AMD boards tend to be cheaper and feature rich compared to the intel counter parts, my 3600 runs well with Corsair 3200mhz in xmp mode. But I accept your point of 10400 better than 3600, as 10400 tends to have better single core performance. Eg the base h410m from asus tends to have only two ram slots. And minimal heat sinks.
My current build with i3 10100 and asrock h410m-hdv is sufficient for my gaming and even workload needs, truly an amazing cpu considering prices. That was my upgrade from a i5 2500k so with the new ram I went with 3600 mhz ram with I think the abbility to even hit 4000 mhz but who knows, advertised as 3600 mhz and I currently run it at 2666mhz, those 2x8gb sticks are set to do me for the next upgrade which I plan to be the new gen ryzen that comes with the new socket hence why I decided to go a bit higher. It's really hard to say which one is a clear winner in terms of price to performance because workloads and gaming and various needs differ, I guess I am more glad there is affordable amazing performance from both sides to a point you cannot go wrong with either of them!
 
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those 2x8gb sticks are set to do me for the next upgrade which I plan to be the new gen ryzen that comes with the new socket hence why I decided to go a bit higher.
AFAIK, there has been no indication yet on whether AM5 will have DDR4 support as an option. It is quite possible you will need DDR5 for whatever AMD launches next. On Intel's side, there has been leaks of DDR4 benchmarks, so it looks like there should be LGA1700 platforms with DDR4 slots though the backward compatibility could be an unofficial feature like it was for Skylake up to the 9000 series.
 
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Wouldn't be surprised if AMD has a zen 3 refresh on AM4 late this year but it's a moot point. Pick your budget, pick your cpu/mb combo for intel and amd. Compare & buy whichever has the better price vs performance
 
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G4560 has 4 threads and a passmark rating of 3531. That is when all 4 threads are fully utilized.
The single thread rating is 2123 which is usually the more important metric for gaming.
https://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=Intel+Pentium+G4560+@+3.50GHz&id=2925

The 11400 has 12 threads and a rating of 17361/3062
https://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=Intel+Core+i5-11400F+@+2.60GHz&id=4226

The 3600 also has 12 threads and a rating of 17862
but the single thread performance is a fair amount less at 2583:
https://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=AMD+Ryzen+5+3600&id=3481

Here is a review of the 11400F

As to future upgrades, most people will also change motherboards when it comes time to upgrade a processor.

What you see now, with both intel and ryzen is likely all that you will see in the next year.
After that, look to both for ddr5, new processors and the associated new motherboards.

On ram, ryzen is sensitive to ram for both compatibility and performance.
Intel does not depend on ram speed for performance so your ddr4 should be fine.

Look at B560 based motherboards in MATX size, they are usually cheaper.
 
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As to future upgrades, most people will also change motherboards when it comes time to upgrade a processor.
Taboo words for AMD enthusiasts :)

I can't imagine myself buying a new CPU to toss it in an older motherboard that won't support its features either. The one time I did buy a CPU separately from a motherboard, I ended up buying another motherboard a few months later so I could reuse my 90MHz Pentium to upgrade my 486DX33.
 

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AFAIK, there has been no indication yet on whether AM5 will have DDR4 support as an option. It is quite possible you will need DDR5 for whatever AMD launches next. On Intel's side, there has been leaks of DDR4 benchmarks, so it looks like there should be LGA1700 platforms with DDR4 slots though the backward compatibility could be an unofficial feature like it was for Skylake up to the 9000 series.
You have a point but I doubt they'd ditch ddr4 so soon. Maybe it will be legacy supported or something and in like 2 generations ddr4 would fade out.
 

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My current build with i3 10100 and asrock h410m-hdv is sufficient for my gaming and even workload needs, truly an amazing cpu considering prices. That was my upgrade from a i5 2500k so with the new ram I went with 3600 mhz ram with I think the abbility to even hit 4000 mhz but who knows, advertised as 3600 mhz and I currently run it at 2666mhz, those 2x8gb sticks are set to do me for the next upgrade which I plan to be the new gen ryzen that comes with the new socket hence why I decided to go a bit higher. It's really hard to say which one is a clear winner in terms of price to performance because workloads and gaming and various needs differ, I guess I am more glad there is affordable amazing performance from both sides to a point you cannot go wrong with either of them!
Agreed but as a system builder myself, atleast in what ASRock offers, at around just 100 bucks, ASRock tends to offer more in AMD side rather than intel, that has been my experience. I personally have an 3600 and mine is an gigabyte x570 base board, yes it does not have the high end features like the the pricer ones but it has the basic chipset fan, four ram slots, pci express 4.0. etc. Generally intel boards seems costly in the price to performance ratio. So that's my take, it's good if intel offers more.
 
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The 1650 Super will limit your FPS at 1080P long before either CPU you are considering will ...

That being the case, I'd save hard for a 10700F/11600F (sell plasma of a few willing relatives!); that way when you do upgrade GPUs, you are able to get at least 90% of said GPUs performance...
 

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Have you ever consider APU options?

There are 3200G and 3400G out there. They can provide GPU support too.

A B450 Tomahawk plus a couple of 3400MHz Crucial Ballistic DDR4 RAM will get you going without breaking your bank.

They are power efficient too, a 450 PSU will suffice the configuration. If you plan for a dedicated GPU later, you may choose a 650W 80-Plus Gold like the Seasonic's.

Just my two cents.
 

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The 1650 Super will limit your FPS at 1080P long before either CPU you are considering will ...

That being the case, I'd save hard for a 10700F/11600F (sell plasma of a few willing relatives!); that way when you do upgrade GPUs, you are able to get at least 90% of said GPUs performance...
As of now even after 4 years RX 580 is going strong, and 1650 super is similar to an RX 580, so if you wanna play at 1080p , you have 1650 super, 1660 Super and 1660Ti. And the RTX 3060 to an extent. Now as you said for 3600 the 3000 series will have a 20percent bottleneck at 1080p gaming. Now he can't buy 11th gen because he does have the budget for it. Now he can just get an 3600 complimenting an 1650 super which will run him well, he can upgrade to 5000 series without changing his mobo. Agreed 5000 series is the last AM4, now coming to intel It looks like the 12th gen alder lake with the new LGA 1700, you can't expect the 11th gen mobo to support it, so for 1080p gaming it's all going to be a compromise, at present an 1080ti with an 3600 easily does 140fps in warzone. You always have a 2nd market for last gen GPUs, you can easily workout 1080p gaming. Steam says 70 percent still use an 1060 GPU. So for him a 3600 now and upgrading to an 5600x in future is a good upgrade path without changing the mobo. Am going to buy an 2nd hand 1080ti for my 3600. Remember 3600 is just 1.9 years old. So just 1 generation of gpu has made 3600 look obsolete but that's not true because, both amd and nvidia has not made 1080p replacement still. That's why RX590 or an 1660 super is still going strong. You never need a 3060ti for 1080p gaming. Unless you are chasing frames.
 
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You have a point but I doubt they'd ditch ddr4 so soon. Maybe it will be legacy supported or something and in like 2 generations ddr4 would fade out.
By the time the first production DDR5 motherboards become available, DDR4 will have been around for seven years. That's already two years longer than DDR3's five years as the previous longest-lasting standard. We're kind of overdue for change.

AMD couldn't be bothered with DDR3 compatibility on Zen1, so I wouldn't be too optimistic about hybrid support with Zen3+/4. Then again, probable extremely high initial pricing on DDR5 could force AMD's hand, unlike Zen1 which had the benefit of two to three years of Intel DDR4-based platforms bringing DDR4 prices down.
 

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By the time the first production DDR5 motherboards become available, DDR4 will have been around for seven years. That's already two years longer than DDR3's five years as the previous longest-lasting standard. We're kind of overdue for change.

AMD couldn't be bothered with DDR3 compatibility on Zen1, so I wouldn't be too optimistic about hybrid support with Zen3+/4. Then again, probable extremely high initial pricing on DDR5 could force AMD's hand, unlike Zen1 which had the benefit of two to three years of Intel DDR4-based platforms bringing DDR4 prices down.
It's kind of what I am hoping for, last time amd had fallen behind while this time they're on par/better alongside intel so the move will be alongside intel this time and since intel will most likely support ddr4, I will definitely hope that amd wouldn't force us a ddr4 upgrade alongside their new lineup.
 

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