What CPU would be good for me?

[xDiverse]

So I currently make youtube videos for the total war games and I've had no real issues until the latest release of their new game (Total War: Warhammer) This thing eats my CPU for breakfast and lead to me having issues recording with fps drops and encoding issues because of this. My current CPU is a Intel Core i5 4570 "Haswell" Processor 3.2GH and has served me well but doesn't seem to work well with both gaming and recording at the same time. I've done some research about this and just wanted to know if it'd be worth me spending £400 or so on upgrading my PC a little (I won't be changing my graphics card as it seems to work just fine with the latest games) but anyways here's a list of what would be my final build.

AMD FX-8350 4.0GHz 8-Core Processor
MSI 970 GAMING ATC AM3+ Motherboard
Corsair 450D ATX Mid Tower Case
Corsair CX 750W 80+ Bronze
AMD Radeon HD 7790 1024MB Graphics Card (WILL KEEP FROM OLD BUILD)
HyperX Fury Red Series 16GB 1866MHz DDR3

(I will be transferring my hard drive and buying a SSD at some point.)

There we go so would a AMD FX-8350 Be worth me getting and would it help with both recording and gaming at the same time, and also rendering maybe?

Thanks if you have any questions feel free to ask

~ Diverse

 

[DonkeyOatie]

I would look at a cheaper solution; replacing your CPU. A Xeon E3 1231-v3 or E3 1241v3 is cheap (ish) and can run on your existing motherboard, and will be a meaningful performance boost for what you want to do, but I don't know if it will be enough until the DX 12 version of the gamecomes out.

You do not mention your existing motherboard. What is it?

PC Gamer benchmarks suggest that you will need something better than the FX 8350 overclocked to 4.5Ghz ore more to run the game and stream. What you want to do may be impossible for the budget you have allocated.

If that's a new PSU, I'd use a higher performance one.
What are all of the parts of your existing system?

 

[xDiverse]

I would look at a cheaper solution; replacing your CPU. A Xeon E3 1231-v3 or E3 1241v3 is cheap (ish) and can run on your existing motherboard, and will be a meaningful performance boost for what you want to do, but I don't know if it will be enough until the DX 12 version of the gamecomes out.

You do not mention your existing motherboard. What is it?

PC Gamer benchmarks suggest that you will need something better than the FX 8350 overclocked to 4.5Ghz ore more to run the game and stream. What you want to do may be impossible for the budget you have allocated.

If that's a new PSU, I'd use a higher performance one.
What are all of the parts of your existing system?

All my current specs are,

Intel Core i5 4570 "Haswell" Processor 3.2GHz
Asus B85M-G Basic Micro ATX Motherboard
8GB Corsair PC3-10666 1333MHz DDR3 Memory
AMD Radeon HD 7790 1024MB Graphics Card

oh and my really bad Xigmatek Premium Grade 500W PSU
I have no issues actually running the game in fact I can run it perfectly with no FPS drops at high and at a push ultra. It's just when I actually get down to recording video with OBS whilst playing the game.

 

[DonkeyOatie]

Read the end of this thread. http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/id-2791401/xeon-1231v3-haswells-synthetic-benchmarks-science-fair.html I think a Xeon will do what you want.

 

[xDiverse]

Would I need to buy a new motherboard still or not? Will my current one be fine and work along side the Xeon? Also which Xeon because you listed two

And going back to the AMD FX here real quick I've read that when encoding video more cores is better? I just want to make sure I'd be getting something that'd actually improve my current situation as I don't want to spent money on something that I later find doesn't improve it.

 

[DonkeyOatie]

The only difference is speed. 1231 = 3.4Ghz, 1241 = 3.5Ghz. The 1231 is about 20 quid cheaper, so is more cost effective. The Xeon is essentially an iGPU-less locked i7 4770. It should be plug-and-play on your motherboard, which is why I suggested it. This system, my 'home office' system uses one. (See signature)

Check things out elsewhere so you see where I'm steering you.

 

[xDiverse]

The only difference is speed. 1231 = 3.4Ghz, 1241 = 3.5Ghz. The 1231 is about 20 quid cheaper, so is more cost effective. The Xeon is essentially an iGPU-less locked i7 4770. It should be plug-and-play on your motherboard, which is why I suggested it. This system, my 'home office' system uses one. (See signature)

Check things out elsewhere so you see where I'm steering you.

Could you possibly link me a to a product page eithger on newegg or intels website just so I know I'd be getting the right thing, also would you see this would be a improvement on my current build along with the AMD FX build?

Xeon 1231v3
MSI 970 GAMING ATC AM3+ Motherboard (Not sure if that CPU would fit this motherboard (very new to this PC building thing)
Corsair 450D ATX Mid Tower Case
Corsair CX 750W 80+ Bronze
AMD Radeon HD 7790 1024MB Graphics Card
HyperX Fury Red Series 16GB 1866MHz DDR3

 

[DonkeyOatie]

The Xeon could fit in your current motherboard. http://www.newegg.com/global/uk/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819117316

It will be an improvement over both your current rig (a bit faster and Hyperthreading) and also over the FX 8350, but you need to do more reading and research to see if it is worth the cost.

Cases are a personal choice and the 450D is a decent choice. The IPC of the four Intel cores is significantly better than the FX 8350 and the Hyperthreading will give it superior performance. FX 8350 consists of four modules with each module containing two integer and one floating point processor, that share resources.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Xeon E3-1231 V3 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor (£216.29 @ CCL Computers)
Motherboard: Asus B85M-G Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard (Purchased For £0.00)
Memory: Corsair 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1333 Memory (Purchased For £0.00)
Case: Corsair 450D ATX Mid Tower Case (£99.89 @ More Computers)
Power Supply: SeaSonic S12II 620W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply (£59.32 @ Amazon UK)
Total: £375.50
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-05-28 00:53 BST+0100

That case is far too much for me at 25% of your budget.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Xeon E3-1231 V3 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor (£216.29 @ CCL Computers)
Motherboard: Asus B85M-G Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard (Purchased For £0.00)
Memory: Corsair 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1333 Memory (Purchased For £0.00)
Case: Cooler Master N200 MicroATX Mid Tower Case (£38.29 @ Amazon UK)
Power Supply: SeaSonic S12II 620W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply (£59.32 @ Amazon UK)
Total: £313.90
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-05-28 00:55 BST+0100

I've used this case in several builds at school . It's a great budget case.

 

[xDiverse]

Any recommendations for a CPU Cooler?

 

[DonkeyOatie]

Stock cooler will work well. I use it on this one. RAIJINTEK Pallas is 30 pounds and very good. I got my i5 4690K and i7 4790K to 4.7 Ghz on it. The Cooler Master case I suggested is for mATX motherboards and has a motherboard cut-out so adding or upgrading CPU cooler is easy.

http://www.pcgamer.com/total-war-warhammer-benchmarks-strike-fear-into-cpus/

 

[xDiverse]

Would you say this would be good as a final build? http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/p/P992Fd

 

[DonkeyOatie]

Yes. I'm not convinced that the 1241 is worth the cost and it seems Newegg UK can get is significantly cheaper. The link I posted has the 1231 at 175 pounds.


I'm waiting for DX 12 to become final before getting TWW and the I could tell you how it works on this system here.

 

[xDiverse]

Ok so should I even bother buying the new parts yet or not? Because I'm a bit of a rush you can see how choppy the video is here: (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zf2tW34mjTM) but yeah Warhammer is really fun

 

[DonkeyOatie]

The trouble with a new game and performance issues is the 'beta' nature of it and the need for further optimizations. In the case of TWW, I would try to wait for the DX12 'version' on W10. That's the 'real' version of the game, anything else is a compromise. But I'd probably wait only three months or so for it to appear.

I've been in PCs since the beginning ('70s) and that has made me very cautious.

 

[xDiverse]

That's annoying as I really need to buy these within the week coming up as I make videos almost every day and I can't afford to wait 3 months would you say it'd be worth taking the risk in this case?

 

[xDiverse]

The trouble with a new game and performance issues is the 'beta' nature of it and the need for further optimizations. In the case of TWW, I would try to wait for the DX12 'version' on W10. That's the 'real' version of the game, anything else is a compromise. But I'd probably wait only three months or so for it to appear.

I've been in PCs since the beginning ('70s) and that has made me very cautious.

I'm probably going go ahead and buy them then seeing as with the DX 12 Patch coming soon that should help with CPU usage I'm not really going to lose anything upgrading to a better CPU And I haven't upgraded anything in my PC since I bought it back in the end of 2012 (or early 2013 can't remember) so it'll be nice to get some new stuff for it. I appreciate your help mate. I will let you know how it goes

 

[Oliver_21]

I thought no one knew it but I've realised I was wrong

Anyways I'm going to tell you what most of people have said before

It is absolutelly ridiculous to replace your entire configuration to get an FX 8350 which will perform just slightly better in the things you need.

Yet you have more power consumption, more heat output, less upgrade capabilities and It's a weaker processor when it comes to games

For the price of $210 you can get the xeon E3 1231 V3 on Amazon UK

It's basically a Core i7 4770 with no iGPU

It's got hyperthreading, a big gain in terms of multitasking and streamming performance and features 8MB of cash and it's still clocked a bit higher than your current 4570, Its frequency is 3.4 GHz and 3.8 GHz maximum throught turbo boost

On top of that, It incorporates some features such as V pro that you'll never find on a core i7 and consumes less power due to the lack of an integrated gpu, which doesn't matter if you don't use quicksync to render files

Last but not least, It should be compatible with your motherboard indeed It's compatible with most of LGA 1150 motherboards
Or you can get a 5820K for $310 but an LGA 2011 motherboard is more expensive. Perhaps there will be better offers in your country. Nevertheless you'll require to spend and extra $30 to upgrade your CPU cooler (ej. 212 evo) in case you have a basic air heatsink

 

[xDiverse]

I thought no one knew it but I've realised I was wrong

Anyways I'm going to tell you what most of people have said before

It is absolutelly ridiculous to replace your entire configuration to get an FX 8350 which will perform just slightly better in the things you need.

Yet you have more power consumption, more heat output, less upgrade capabilities and It's a weaker processor when it comes to games

For the price of $210 you can get the xeon E3 1231 V3 on Amazon UK

It's basically a Core i7 4770 with no iGPU

It's got hyperthreading, a big gain in terms of multitasking and streamming performance and features 8MB of cash and it's still clocked a bit higher than your current 4570, Its frequency is 3.4 GHz and 3.8 GHz maximum throught turbo boost

On top of that, It incorporates some features such as V pro that you'll never find on a core i7 and consumes less power due to the lack of an integrated gpu, which doesn't matter if you don't use quicksync to render files

Last but not least, It should be compatible with your motherboard indeed It's compatible with most of LGA 1150 motherboards
Or you can get a 5820K for $310 but an LGA 2011 motherboard is more expensive. Perhaps there will be better offers in your country. Nevertheless you'll require to spend and extra $30 to upgrade your CPU cooler (ej. 212 evo) in case you have a basic air heatsink

Hey thanks for the reply, I'm pretty sure a Xeon is what I'm looking for, I need something that performs well with both encoding and gaming at the same time as recording in 1080p 60fps whilst running a game that takes up 46%+ of my current cpu just doesn't work. Now I've done some more looking into things and I've found these 3 CPU's http://www.newegg.com/global/uk/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819117614 & http://www.newegg.com/global/uk/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819117315

& finally
http://www.newegg.com/global/uk/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819117559

Could I go for a i7 with a new motherboard obviously
Do you think they'd be good for what I'm wanting to do? And if so which of the two would you recommend?

 

[Oliver_21]

I thought no one knew it but I've realised I was wrong

Anyways I'm going to tell you what most of people have said before

It is absolutelly ridiculous to replace your entire configuration to get an FX 8350 which will perform just slightly better in the things you need.

Yet you have more power consumption, more heat output, less upgrade capabilities and It's a weaker processor when it comes to games

For the price of $210 you can get the xeon E3 1231 V3 on Amazon UK

It's basically a Core i7 4770 with no iGPU

It's got hyperthreading, a big gain in terms of multitasking and streamming performance and features 8MB of cash and it's still clocked a bit higher than your current 4570, Its frequency is 3.4 GHz and 3.8 GHz maximum throught turbo boost

On top of that, It incorporates some features such as V pro that you'll never find on a core i7 and consumes less power due to the lack of an integrated gpu, which doesn't matter if you don't use quicksync to render files

Last but not least, It should be compatible with your motherboard indeed It's compatible with most of LGA 1150 motherboards
Or you can get a 5820K for $310 but an LGA 2011 motherboard is more expensive. Perhaps there will be better offers in your country. Nevertheless you'll require to spend and extra $30 to upgrade your CPU cooler (ej. 212 evo) in case you have a basic air heatsink

Hey thanks for the reply, I'm pretty sure a Xeon is what I'm looking for, I need something that performs well with both encoding and gaming at the same time as recording in 1080p 60fps whilst running a game that takes up 46%+ of my current cpu just doesn't work. Now I've done some more looking into things and I've found these 2 CPU's http://www.newegg.com/global/uk/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819117614 & http://www.newegg.com/global/uk/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819117315

Do you think they'd be good for what I'm wanting to do? And if so which of the two would you recommend?

Hello

I'd defineitelly grab the e3 1241 v3

why??

It's simple, you don't need any MOBO upgrade

since intel has removed the compatibility for consumer motherboards in the Xeon E3 V5 side, you will need to get a server motherboard in order to support an E3 V5 processor

I think you have the money for either the V3 or V5. However we're speaking about a 5 to 8% increasement of performance then i wouldn't reccomend it

If you want the best performace get a 5820k no a xeon V5 cpu

Hope you find this useful.

 

[xDiverse]

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Hello

I'd defineitelly grab the e3 1241 v3

why??

It's simple, you don't need any MOBO upgrade

since intel has removed the compatibility for consumer motherboards in the Xeon E3 V5 side, you will need to get a server motherboard in order to support an E3 V5 processor

I think you have the money for either the V3 or V5. However we're speaking about a 5 to 8% increasement of performance then i wouldn't reccomend it

If you want the best performace get a 5820k no a xeon V5 cpu

Hope you find this useful.

And what about a i7-7600?
http://www.newegg.com/global/uk/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819117559&nm_mc=AFC-C8Junction&cm_mmc=AFC-C8Junction-Skimlinks-_-na-_-na-_-na&AID=12087162&PID=3899435&SID=skim1402X558040X4c308fe29d206f9d03264f6b77147d7c&utm_medium=affiliates&utm_source=afc-Skimlinks

 

[Oliver_21]

And i wouldn't look at the 6700K

But i've searching and found

5820K = $268

asrockx99 extreme 4 = $117

the only problem would be the cooler

but it's the way to go if you want to spend all your money on a CPU upgrade

 

[DonkeyOatie]

X99 platform exceeds the OP's budget, when you allow for the CPU, new motherboard, decent cooler and new DDR4 RAM, and they are in UK, so you need to be looking at pricing there.

 

[xDiverse]

X99 platform exceeds the OP's budget, when you allow for the CPU, new motherboard, decent cooler and new DDR4 RAM, and they are in UK, so you need to be looking at pricing there.

Would I be good if I went for that i7 6700k?

 

[Oliver_21]

X99 platform exceeds the OP's budget, when you allow for the CPU, new motherboard, decent cooler and new DDR4 RAM, and they are in UK, so you need to be looking at pricing there.

If you look closely he's going to need a mobo upgrade by buying the i7 6700k anyhow

That's is why the 5820k is still a much better option for his needs. But of course if he doesn't want to spend that much money he should get the 1241 v3 which is pretty similar to the 6700k and costs much less

 

[xDiverse]

X99 platform exceeds the OP's budget, when you allow for the CPU, new motherboard, decent cooler and new DDR4 RAM, and they are in UK, so you need to be looking at pricing there.

If you look closely he's going to need a mobo upgrade by buying the i7 6700k anyhow

That's is why the 5820k is still a much better option for his needs. But of course if he doesn't want to spend that much money he should get the 1241 v3 which is pretty similar to the 6700k and costs much less

Ok so my budget has now gone up to £650 would you say this would be a good build for me? http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/p/Mr7Mnn