What do you guys think about this build?

mmsmm

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I am a first time builder.

I would like to play BF3, Skyrim etc.

my price range is £1000-£1500 British Pounds.

This is what ive came up with so far, this is my first time so there are probably different components i should buy.

CPU: Intel CPU Core i5 2500k
http://www.scan.co.uk/products/intel-core-i5-2500k-unlocked-s1155-sandy-bridge-quad-core-33ghz-gpu-850mhz-6mb-cache-95w-retail

is it worth buying a 2600, i looked at the specs and only difference was it was 3.4ghz rather than 3.3 which is hardly anything... am i missing something?

MOBO: Gigabyte SKT-1155 Z68A-D3H-B3 Motherboard
http://www.scan.co.uk/products/gigabyte-ga-z68a-d3h-b3-intel-z68-s-1155-ddr3-sata-iii-6gb-s-raid-sata-pcie-20-%28x16%29-vga-on-board-at

Case:
http://www.scan.co.uk/products/corsair-carbide-series-400-r-black-mid-tower-gaming-case-w-o-psu
or
http://www.scan.co.uk/products/lianli-pc-p50b-armoursuit-black-aluminum-mid-tower-gaming-case-w-o-psu

GPU: Radeon HD 6970
http://www.scan.co.uk/products/2gb-xfx-hd-6970-pci-e-21-%28x16%29-5500mhz-gddr5-gpu-880mhz-1536-cores-2x-mdp-dl-dvi-i-dvi-hdmi

PSU: 650W Modular
http://www.scan.co.uk/products/650w-psu-antec-truepower-new-modular-82eff-80-plus-bronze-sli-crossfire-eps-12v-quiet-fan-atx

RAM: 8GB DDR3 1866mhz
http://www.scan.co.uk/products/8gb-%282x4gb%29-corsair-ddr3-vengeance-racing-red-pc3-14900-%281866%29-non-ecc-cas-9-10-9-27-xmp-15v

hdd: 1tb
http://www.scan.co.uk/products/1tb-samsung-hd103sj-spinpoint-f3-sata-3gb-s-7200rpm-32mb-cache-89ms-ncq

ssd: 64gb
http://www.scan.co.uk/products/64gb-crucial-realssd-m4-25-ssd-sata-iii-6gb-s-mlc-flash-read-507mb-s-write-290mb-s-new-version

 

AdrianPerry

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Looks a solid build, but with very limited upgrade potential from base components.

Suggestions:
850w PSU - Will allow you to add another 6970 at some point without buying whole new PSU.

GEN3 Motherboard (ASRock Extreme3 Gen3) £115 @ www.novatech.co.uk is only £10 more than the board you listed, its SLI/Crossfire ready, supports all OC RAM, PCI 3.0 ready and Z68 chipset. (Be aware you wont get USB 3.0 front panel support from motherboards under about £130). ASRock Extreme4 Gen3 is the same price as the ASUS Board recommended above, which does have front panel USB 3.0 support and of course PCI 3.0 ready PCI lanes.

Drop the RAM to 1600MHz.

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Advice:

Get yourself all over www.SCAN.co.uk 's Today Only Deals. You can save yourself around 10%+ buying from there. Might not seem like much, but that's £100 saved on a £1000 build.

Shop around for cheapest components, UK Suppliers:
www.aria.co.uk
www.scan.co.uk
www.ebuyer.co.uk
www.overclockers.co.uk
www.novatech.co.uk
www.amazon.co.uk
www.dabs.co.uk



 

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Yeah, the one you linked. I meant to type Carbide :p

You can check out the Antec 300 or the HAF 912 as well.

Seeing the prices in the UK though, the Antec 300 makes a terrific buy.

RAM: That RAM is plenty alright if you wanna run everything on stock. If however you are thinking of OC'ing, get 1.5V modules.

PSU: If you're thinking of xfiring at a later stage, get the Antec 850W unit that you linked or better still, an 80+ Gold unit from Antec, Corsair, Silverstone, PCP&C, etc. if those are available in the UK.

GPU: Your monitor resolution? Either way, the 460 SLI is still an option worth checking out for much better value, saving you money as it will on both the GPU and the PSU and yet get more frames in the process. Did you check out the Anandtech link in my second post? Heck it even trumps the GTX 580 in many games.

The thing is, with a 460 SLI system you won't need an upgrade in the next couple of years tbh.

Motherboard: Asrock always makes wonderful value for money boards, but the Asus V-pro for just 30 quids extra makes sense, especially if you want a dual GPU system because according to some of the reviews of the Gen3 Ex3, the board itself is made from flimsy material that buckles under the weight of multiple heavy add on cards.

Sorry, don't remember where I read that review, but distinctly remember reading that somewhere. That's why I didn't recommend that.

EDIT: Also, the 2 boards have a price differential of 75 bucks in the US. That's why it's a steal for just 20 quids extra in the UK. ASUS P8Z68-V PRO on Newegg.com and ASRock Z68 Extreme3 Gen3 on Newegg.com.
 

mmsmm

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Thanks calguyhunk really helpfull answer.
I don't think i will be overclocking, so i will get with that RAM; Reason im getting 2500k is that its only £7 more than 2500.

Ill go for the antec 300, looks great for £50

Ive been looking at the PSU's... hows this? http://www.scan.co.uk/products/850w-psu-corsair-professional-series-gold-850ax-modular-90eff-80-plus-gold-sli-crossfire-eps-12v-qui

also will 850w run two 6970's

also found the Asus v pro on scan.co.uk... just to clarify its the correct one :D http://www.scan.co.uk/products/asus-p8z68-v-pro-intel-z68-s-1155-ddr3-sata-iii-6gb-s-raid-sata-pcie-20-%28x16%29-vga-on-board-atx

My monitor resolution is 1600 x 900. still unsure whether to get a 6970 and maybe another added in the future or 2 gtx 460

and will a mid tower (the antec 300) fit two 6970's in it?
 

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@ 1600x900 (20" monitor, I assume) you'll never need such high powered hardware unless you plan to overclock AND upgrade the monitor to 1920 X 1080 or higher.

If however, you're not planning to OC and upgrade the monitor, you can save a tonne of money by going with a MUCH cheaper motherboard (heck you don't need the Z68 or P67-those are for overclockers only), cheaper 650W PSU, and a single 6950 flashed to a 6970.

The 6970 in any case is a waste of money. Here's the authoratative tutorial on flashing a 6950 into a 6970.

There's no way you'll ever need to XFire that card. By the time you feel like it, you'll have bigger and better (and dare I say cheaper) options.

You'll save close to 200 pounds this way, without taking a serious performance hit in any way.
 

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AT 1600 x 900, which is a great res btw, will only need at least 6870 and at most 6950 to run it at high to ultra but it's always better to get a stronger GPU as it always takes longer to replace :) Although the price/performance ratio is not very good.
 

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Right.

I think ill still get 6970 rather than flashing because im a beginner.

What Motherboard should i get then?

And should i get a 80+ gold 650w?
 

AdrianPerry

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Although calguyhunk has suggested some cheaper components, the price difference's are very minimal.

A Z68 is probably going to cost you about £20 more than a H67/H61 and this means at least the option for over-clocking is there if you ever want it. The same as the CPU, for the sake of £7 more for the 'K' version, its well worth paying for - just to have the option there. ASUS motherboards come with built in over-clocking features where all you need to do is click "over-clock" and it will do everything for you. Doing this can get 30%+ more performance from an i5-2500k, so for £30-40 more, it would be crazy to eliminate that possibility.

650w GOLD - It's going to cost you tbh. 80PLUS Bronze would be fine for this level, again, unless the price difference for something higher is minimal (£20 or less). Id still aim for a 850w PSU though on your budget, unless your primary concern has changed to saving money. If you ever did want to add a second card, or get a new monitor, you'd have to buy a whole new PSU - in the long run, costing more.

£1500 budget....Grab yourself a 6970, 850w Modular PSU, i5-2500k, SLI ready z68 motherboard (the ASUS P8Z68-v PRO would be ideal), and grab a new monitor, 22-24" FULL HD 1920x1080. Your set to go then to add another card in the future with no other component changes needed. Just simply buy a second card.

You could spend "£100-200" more now, than have to spend "£500" more in the future to upgrade components you "skimped out on" in the first place. Just take all things into consideration.

 

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Thats a good point, money isnt too much of a problem and i have just started an IT course at college so i spose in a year so i may want to start exploring and overclocking etc.


 

AdrianPerry

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Here's a rough idea of the prices:

£75 now for non-SLI motherboard -- £120 now for SLI Motherboard = £45 more now, or £120 more in the future for whole new board.

£60 now for a 650w PSU -- £90 now for 850w PSU = £30 more now, or £90 more in the future for whole new PSU.

 

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The BF3 BETA, yes easily with about 50fps....the final game....i've no idea because it isn't out yet. SKYRIM - Again no definitive answer, but more than likely yes it will easily max skyrim.
 

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This is my new and improved Build. Please post any more suggestions

Case: Antec 300 Three Hundred Black Mid Tower Computer Case
http://www.scan.co.uk/products/antec-300-three-hundred-black-mid-tower-ultimate-gaming-case-w-o-psu-%28new-version%29
£49.98

MOBO: Asus P8Z68-V PRO Intel Z68 S1155 Motherboard
http://www.scan.co.uk/products/asus-p8z68-v-pro-intel-z68-s-1155-ddr3-sata-iii-6gb-s-raid-sata-pcie-20-%28x16%29-vga-on-board-atx
£149.62

CPU: Intel CPU Core i5 Unlocked 2500K Sandy Bridge Quad Core Processor
http://www.scan.co.uk/products/intel-core-i5-2500k-unlocked-s1155-sndy-bridge-quad-33ghz-hd3000-igp-850mhz-6mb-cache-95w-retail
£167.98

PSU: Corsair CMPSU-850AXUK Professional Series Gold AX 850W Modular Power Supply
http://www.scan.co.uk/products/850w-psu-corsair-professional-series-gold-850ax-modular-90eff-80-plus-gold-sli-crossfire-eps-12v-qui
£149.82
Not sure whether that's too expensive and i should get a cheaper one?

GPU: XFX HD 6970 2Gb ATI AMD Radeon Graphics Card
http://www.scan.co.uk/products/2gb-xfx-hd-6970-pci-e-21-%28x16%29-5500mhz-gddr5-gpu-880mhz-1536-cores-2x-mdp-dl-dvi-i-dvi-hdmi
£287.63

RAM: 8GB (2x4GB) Kingston HyperX Genesis 1600MHz CL9 DDR3
http://www.scan.co.uk/products/8gb-%282x4gb%29-kingston-hyperx-genesis-ddr3-1600mhz-cl9-165v
£40.56

HDD: Samsung 1Tb Spinpoint F3
http://www.scan.co.uk/products/1tb-samsung-hd103sj-spinpoint-f3-sata-3gb-s-7200rpm-32mb-cache-89ms-ncq
£44.87

SSD: Crucial RealSSD M4 64GB
http://www.scan.co.uk/products/64gb-crucial-realssd-m4-25-ssd-sata-iii-6gb-s-mlc-flash-read-500mb-s-write-95mb-s-new-version
£78.77

TOTAL PRICE: £968.33

+ ill get dvd drive and windows 7 i get free :D for being student.
 

AdrianPerry

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Solid build there for under £1000.

One thing though - the RAM you've listed is 1.65v - for compatibility, id recommend sticking with 1.5v (Either G.Skill Ripjaws, or Corsair Vengeance, or Mushkin).

PSU is very high quality, will easily power Crossfire 6970's, very high (GOLD) efficiency rating - Stick with it :) It will last you a considerably long time :)

Id recommend Double checking the card length will fit into the case also.

I also don't see an after-market CPU cooler listed? This would be recommended if you plan on OC'ing the 2500k. (The ASUS board you have will pull you an auto-OC of 4.4-4.5GHz)
 

AdrianPerry

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The RAM you linked is fine and would work, however its generally not recommended to pay more for RAM over 1600MHz, since real world applications wont have any differences - the only time your going to see any noticeable difference is in synthetic benchmarks where it displays a slightly higher number.

This would be ideal: http://www.scan.co.uk/products/8gb-(2x4gb)-corsair-ddr3-vengeance-racing-red-pc3-12800-(1600)-non-ecc-cas-9-9-9-24-xmp-15v
You can get it in Blue, Black or Red all at a similar price. Since the ASUS P8Z68-v PRO is black and blue colour schemed, id possibly recommend stick with one of those two, although they all perform exactly the same.

After-market coolers, there's loads really spanning all budget ranges. Personally I'm using an "Arctic Freezer 13" with my i5-2500k and ASUS P8Z68 and it works great. Nice stable 4.5GHz over-clock with temps never passing 65 degrees under 100% load.

No doubt you will get loads of recommendations for HYPER 212+ - and I wont argue, its a great CPU cooler, at a great price - BUT - It's huge! And I think you will have problems fitting it inside an Antec 300 - especially if you wish to have a side fan on the case.

Here's a couple id recommend:
Coolermaster Hyper TX3 CPU Cooler £15
http://www.scan.co.uk/products/coolermaster-hyper-tx3-3-heat-pipe-cpu-cooler-s775-1155-1156-am2-2plus-am3-940-939-954
Arctic Cooling Freezer 13 £20
http://www.scan.co.uk/products/arctic-cooling-freezer-13-cpu-cooler-intel-775-1155-1156-1366-amd-939-am2-am2plus-am3

Both will provide more than enough cooling for a good over-clock and both will easily fit inside your case without any issues such as blocked RAM slots, or no room for side fans.

 

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11"/279mm (Note: some video cards may block access to the adjacent hard drive bay)

6970 is 10.75 inches

a guy said this on a fourm "I've got my 6950 (same length as 6970) in my antec 300 right now, it just about fits. It makes 1 or 2 of the hard drive bays unusable but I doubt you need all the bays anyway. "

so do think it will be ok or bigger case?