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Hi,

I am planning to buy an inkjet printer...the printer won't be used for
high-end stuff...normally for printing black and white
documents...accidently colourful stuff...

the printer won't be used extensively as well...as I already have
access to a laser printer at office...

since no need for fancy stuff....I browsed around in the local
shops...and now I want to choose one of the following 4:

- Lexmark Z515
- Lexmark Z715
- HP 3745
- Canon iP1500

so between those 4 printers which one you recommend...in fact I'm
posting this message hoping that I can get some feedback or if some of
the printers should be totally out of question for some manufacturing
flaws in them...or you think I should not worry about such stuff...

Hope to read some replies soon..

Thank you
 
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I guess the ip1500 has 2 tanks and 1 cartridge...

LOL I have no idea what that means...but this is what the website
says...

could you please give me more information about tanks and cartridges

thanks
 
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Canon with out any doubt

Get the highest ip#### you can stretch to, be careful one of those I
understand uses a tri-colour tank - do check that point, I think I am
right in saying if you read the forums and user's comments the ip3000
is better.

Separate tanks are far better, with Lexmark I don't know if you get a
free printer with the cartridge or a free cartridge with the
printer.

Reading the forums will tell you HP are good but are costly to run,
not only do you buy a new HP ink tank you get the heads as well.

Davy
 
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Buy Cannon without a doubt. It is hughly recommended by everyone including
Consumer Reports

====================================
"Freddy" <zfreddyzzz@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>I guess the ip1500 has 2 tanks and 1 cartridge...
>
> LOL I have no idea what that means...but this is what the website
> says...
>
> could you please give me more information about tanks and cartridges
>
> thanks
>
 
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Davy wrote:

>Get the highest ip#### you can stretch to, be careful one of those I
>understand uses a tri-colour tank - do check that point, I think I am
>right in saying if you read the forums and user's comments the ip3000
>is better.
>
>Separate tanks are far better,

Not necessarily.

If you stick with the manufacturer's supplies, separate tanks merely
distribute the costs of ink across three or more tanks reducing the
apparent costs. But remember, you have to buy several ink tanks to get
all the colours in one of HP's tri-colour cartridges.

Now if you want refill, Canon is the easiest with the separate clear ink
tanks. They're very easy to open and the transparent cases makes it easy
to see how much ink is in the tank when topping it up.

>Reading the forums will tell you HP are good but are costly to run,
>not only do you buy a new HP ink tank you get the heads as well.

HP printers generally are not more costly to run. The cost of a
tri-colour cartridge is easily comparable to buying the three ink tanks
for a Canon, slightly cheaper infact. The minimal loss of ink from the
other two colours is negligible, balancing out the overall costs.

Note that page yields are similar even though the Canon has more ink
volume. HP carts simply use less ink overall to produce the same results
(less wasted ink and in the case of the newer blacks, more coverage).
 
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"Freddy" <zfreddyzzz@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Hi,
>
> I am planning to buy an inkjet printer...the printer won't be used for
> high-end stuff...normally for printing black and white
> documents...accidently colourful stuff...
>
> the printer won't be used extensively as well...as I already have
> access to a laser printer at office...
>
> since no need for fancy stuff....I browsed around in the local
> shops...and now I want to choose one of the following 4:
>
> - Lexmark Z515
> - Lexmark Z715
> - HP 3745
> - Canon iP1500
>
> so between those 4 printers which one you recommend...in fact I'm
> posting this message hoping that I can get some feedback or if some of
> the printers should be totally out of question for some manufacturing
> flaws in them...or you think I should not worry about such stuff...
>
> Hope to read some replies soon..
>
> Thank you
>

If it must be one of those get the Canon.

--
Derek
 
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I use to think the same way you do. Friends who bought into the Canons
kept on saying their cost per page was low, very very low where I
couldn't help to look at the cost of the head, being as you say roughly
the value of the printer. But I started asking them how long before
they had to replace the head, and I personaly don't know of anyone
who's ever replaced a Canon head. The few who have had clogs got them
after years of printing. It took me about 3 years to make a valued
judgement that even if I have to spend $60 for a head chances are I've
saved so much money in the cost of ink I end up ahead. If I buy bulk
ink and have to replace the head after 10 refills... I'm still ahead.

I still like HP in general, esp those printers that take the 45a black
cart. Much higher yield than even the Canon 25ml BCI-3eBK on the
ip3000/ip4000. A good choice for people who want to spend more time
printing than having the cover open. The HP 3745 I believe takes the
C8727AN black, which is only 10ml. If you use only black it costs more
than the canon BCL-3eBK and less than 1/2 the yield.

The ip1500 though uses the BCI-24Bk (9.5ml) and BCI-24C multi color
tanks. It's yield is very low as well but 1/2 the price of the HP
C8727AN for about the same amount of ink. The last time I checked
Target had the printheads and ink together for about $40 or $60. I'd
shy away from the ip1500 as it's pretty much a vehicel to sell their
suplus heads and ink from the old canon i320 series.


>Do yourself a favor and buy HP. You won't be sorry. I'm seeing too much
>trouble with clogged Canon print heads. The print head costs more than the
>printer...that is if you can find one. Pete
 
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Freddy wrote:

>Hi,
>
>I am planning to buy an inkjet printer...the printer won't be used for
>high-end stuff...normally for printing black and white
>documents...accidently colourful stuff...
>
>the printer won't be used extensively as well...as I already have
>access to a laser printer at office...
>
>since no need for fancy stuff....I browsed around in the local
>shops...and now I want to choose one of the following 4:
>
> - Lexmark Z515
> - Lexmark Z715
> - HP 3745
> - Canon iP1500
>
>so between those 4 printers which one you recommend...in fact I'm
>posting this message hoping that I can get some feedback or if some of
>the printers should be totally out of question for some manufacturing
>flaws in them...or you think I should not worry about such stuff...
>
>Hope to read some replies soon..
>
>Thank you
>
>

Lexmark is the garbage of the garbage and they totally stink. They are
not even what I call printers. While I like Canon Printers I would not
go for an IP1500. On sale the IP3000 is far superior for a few dollars
more and has dual paper feeds and prints automatically on both sides of
the paper. However, in your case I would get an HP printer without a
doubt. The reason is you are not going to use it a great deal. The HP
ink cart contains its own printhead. So if it does (which I feel the
chances are relatively low) get clogged all you need to do is replace
the ink cart. You will then get a new head.

HP does a real good job on text and business graphics. So I hope this
was helpful..
 
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Davy wrote:

>Canon with out any doubt
>
>Get the highest ip#### you can stretch to, be careful one of those I
>understand uses a tri-colour tank - do check that point, I think I am
>right in saying if you read the forums and user's comments the ip3000
>is better.
>
>Separate tanks are far better, with Lexmark I don't know if you get a
>free printer with the cartridge or a free cartridge with the
>printer.
>
>Reading the forums will tell you HP are good but are costly to run,
>not only do you buy a new HP ink tank you get the heads as well.
>
>Davy
>
>

Precisely, in his case that is the reason he should buy HP.
 
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If i'm not mistaken, the IP1500 is that $50 at the local office depot.
Others have already reccomended the ip3000 over the ip1500. Till
tuesday it's onsale at newegg for $66 shipped... and if you get the $20
rebate it's $46. But assuming you don't get the rebate the the extra
$16 is justified due to fact the printer comes with a 25ml black tank,
rather than the ip1500 that only comes with a 9.5ml black tank, not to
speak of the lower cost to operate.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16828102153


Also consider the HP 7450. Not as good of value as the canon as far as
cost per page goes, but it at least as a 19ml rather than a 10ml black
in the hp 3745. Color well, the color cart has a very low yield and
costs $20. Not a great deal in the long term. There are better
options in the HP range but I don't know the current models nor do I
know of any in the sub $100 off the top of my head.

Every lexmark i've looked at costs about $10,000/gal for the ink. Most
inkjets cost thousands of dollars/gal for the ink, but lexmark is
typicaly the worst value per page. This is why they are the most
common free printer, they make it back in the cost of ink the first
time you buy it.

Watch out for those sub $50 printers. Many use ultra small cartrages
that cost more per ml than printers that cost just a few bucks more.
If you print more than a ream of paper a year consider spending just a
tad more to lower your costs. This is not to say you can't find a good
sub $50 printer, just usually the ink costs more.








> since no need for fancy stuff....I browsed around in the local
> shops...and now I want to choose one of the following 4:
> - Lexmark Z515
> - Lexmark Z715
> - HP 3745
> - Canon iP1500
 
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"Freddy" <zfreddyzzz@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1117405284.617977.139550@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> Hi,
>
> I am planning to buy an inkjet printer...the printer won't be used for
> high-end stuff...normally for printing black and white
> documents...accidently colourful stuff...
>
> the printer won't be used extensively as well...as I already have
> access to a laser printer at office...
>
> since no need for fancy stuff....I browsed around in the local
> shops...and now I want to choose one of the following 4:
>
> - Lexmark Z515
> - Lexmark Z715
> - HP 3745
> - Canon iP1500
>

I'd seriously think about spending a bit more and getting a printer that's
built to last more than 5 minutes.
 
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Do yourself a favor and buy HP. You won't be sorry. I'm seeing too much
trouble with clogged Canon print heads. The print head costs more than the
printer...that is if you can find one. Pete
"Freddy" <zfreddyzzz@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1117405284.617977.139550@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> Hi,
>
> I am planning to buy an inkjet printer...the printer won't be used for
> high-end stuff...normally for printing black and white
> documents...accidently colourful stuff...
>
> the printer won't be used extensively as well...as I already have
> access to a laser printer at office...
>
> since no need for fancy stuff....I browsed around in the local
> shops...and now I want to choose one of the following 4:
>
> - Lexmark Z515
> - Lexmark Z715
> - HP 3745
> - Canon iP1500
>
> so between those 4 printers which one you recommend...in fact I'm
> posting this message hoping that I can get some feedback or if some of
> the printers should be totally out of question for some manufacturing
> flaws in them...or you think I should not worry about such stuff...
>
> Hope to read some replies soon..
>
> Thank you
>
 
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All the printers you mention are junk. Just plain junk. Disposable printers.
When the ink runs out, throw it in the dumpster and buy another one.

But ... of all the junk you mentioned, I'd recommend the HP.


"Freddy" <zfreddyzzz@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1117405284.617977.139550@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> Hi,
>
> I am planning to buy an inkjet printer...the printer won't be used for
> high-end stuff...normally for printing black and white
> documents...accidently colourful stuff...
>
> the printer won't be used extensively as well...as I already have
> access to a laser printer at office...
>
> since no need for fancy stuff....I browsed around in the local
> shops...and now I want to choose one of the following 4:
>
> - Lexmark Z515
> - Lexmark Z715
> - HP 3745
> - Canon iP1500
>
> so between those 4 printers which one you recommend...in fact I'm
> posting this message hoping that I can get some feedback or if some of
> the printers should be totally out of question for some manufacturing
> flaws in them...or you think I should not worry about such stuff...
>
> Hope to read some replies soon..
>
> Thank you
>
 
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Freddy
Before buying take a look on various web sites and price the ink
tanks up for each printer thats been mentioned.

Before buying take a look a users reviews again on various sites.

Why not do a Google search on the Make and Model, this I'm sure will
lead you to two choices either HP or Canon - I could easily be
wrong.

Pity you did'nt give the location, Canons also do CD/DVD direct
printing but not in the US

and let us know what you come up with.

Davy
 
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Guys,

Thank you so much for the various opinions you gave me on here...

At first, I came to one conclusion.....Lexmark is out of question...

Now I'm left with 2 choices: either the HP or the Canon...

I'm now debating on which printer to buy...I guess I'm leaning more
towards the Canon ip1500...I know that many people mentioned that I
should spend more and get a larger ip number...but the printer won't be
used extensively to worry about higher numbers.

as for cartridge prices I also think Canon would work better for
me...since the extensive printing would be on my laser printer, this
one would work as a backup at home if I needed to print something
accidently while working from my place. Therefore I don't expect a huge
ink consumption. I would expect that the black ink cartridge might last
about 8 months at least and that the color ones would be rarely used.
therefore, Canon which sells the black ink cartridge for like very
cheap (almost 1/3 of the HP price) would be a better choice for me.

if the heads of my printer get clogged after couple years I wouldn't
hesitate throwing it in garbage and renewing it...

one last thing that made me lean more towards Canon, is that I have a
personal preference for Canon over HP (I owned 2 digital cameras, a 2MP
Canon and a 5MP HP...and the Canon was far superior than the HP)..so
this "silly" comparison also played a role in my decision...

But I have one quick question...the printers come with a 1-year
warranty for parts and labour...would that cover the cost of fixing the
head??? or the heads are not included in the warranty...
 
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Bill wrote:

>Davy wrote:
>
>
>
>>Get the highest ip#### you can stretch to, be careful one of those I
>>understand uses a tri-colour tank - do check that point, I think I am
>>right in saying if you read the forums and user's comments the ip3000
>>is better.
>>
>>Separate tanks are far better,
>>
>>
>
>Not necessarily.
>
>If you stick with the manufacturer's supplies, separate tanks merely
>distribute the costs of ink across three or more tanks reducing the
>apparent costs. But remember, you have to buy several ink tanks to get
>all the colours in one of HP's tri-colour cartridges.
>
>Now if you want refill,
>

He is a low use user. He does not need that pain in the ass.

>Canon is the easiest with the separate clear ink
>tanks. They're very easy to open and the transparent cases makes it easy
>to see how much ink is in the tank when topping it up.
>
>
>
>>Reading the forums will tell you HP are good but are costly to run,
>>not only do you buy a new HP ink tank you get the heads as well.
>>
>>
>
>HP printers generally are not more costly to run. The cost of a
>tri-colour cartridge is easily comparable to buying the three ink tanks
>for a Canon, slightly cheaper infact. The minimal loss of ink from the
>other two colours is negligible, balancing out the overall costs.
>
>Note that page yields are similar even though the Canon has more ink
>volume. HP carts simply use less ink overall to produce the same results
>(less wasted ink and in the case of the newer blacks, more coverage).
>
>
 
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Bill wrote:

>Davy wrote:
>
>
>
>>Get the highest ip#### you can stretch to, be careful one of those I
>>understand uses a tri-colour tank - do check that point, I think I am
>>right in saying if you read the forums and user's comments the ip3000
>>is better.
>>
>>Separate tanks are far better,
>>
>>
>
>Not necessarily.
>
>If you stick with the manufacturer's supplies, separate tanks merely
>distribute the costs of ink across three or more tanks reducing the
>apparent costs.
>

Sure. I paid $27.00 for a set of Canon carts for my IP4000 and paid
$52.00 for a tri HP78 for my HP printer at Costco. The HP inks are
about twice the cost.

>But remember, you have to buy several ink tanks to get
>all the colours in one of HP's tri-colour cartridges.
>
>

Not in America.

>Now if you want refill, Canon is the easiest with the separate clear ink
>tanks. They're very easy to open and the transparent cases makes it easy
>to see how much ink is in the tank when topping it up.
>
>
>
>>Reading the forums will tell you HP are good but are costly to run,
>>not only do you buy a new HP ink tank you get the heads as well.
>>
>>
>
>HP printers generally are not more costly to run. The cost of a
>tri-colour cartridge is easily comparable to buying the three ink tanks
>for a Canon, slightly cheaper infact. The minimal loss of ink from the
>other two colours is negligible, balancing out the overall costs.
>
>Note that page yields are similar even though the Canon has more ink
>volume. HP carts simply use less ink overall to produce the same results
>(less wasted ink and in the case of the newer blacks, more coverage).
>
>
 
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measekite <measekite@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:SjAme.271$wy1.120@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com:

>
>
> Bill wrote:
>
>>Davy wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>Get the highest ip#### you can stretch to, be careful one of those I
>>>understand uses a tri-colour tank - do check that point, I think I am
>>>right in saying if you read the forums and user's comments the ip3000
>>>is better.
>>>
>>>Separate tanks are far better,
>>>
>>>
>>
>>Not necessarily.
>>
>>If you stick with the manufacturer's supplies, separate tanks merely
>>distribute the costs of ink across three or more tanks reducing the
>>apparent costs.
>>
>
> Sure. I paid $27.00 for a set of Canon carts for my IP4000 ... at
> Costco.


Oh, did you, now.......

Costco doesn't sell individual tanks or complete sets for the iP4000 for
$27. You have to buy 3 of one color for around $30 a 3-pak. To get a
full backup set of 5 cartridges that the iP4000 uses, you have to buy 5
sets of triple packs at $30 each, or about $150. That's a pain in the
ass when I can buy a full 5 color Canon compatible set on eBay for
around $10 and pocket the $140 for better use.


AMcLean
 
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AMcLean wrote:
> measekite <measekite@yahoo.com> wrote in
> news:SjAme.271$wy1.120@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com:
>

>>
>>Sure. I paid $27.00 for a set of Canon carts for my IP4000 ... at
>>Costco.
>
>
>
> Oh, did you, now.......
>
> Costco doesn't sell individual tanks or complete sets for the iP4000 for
> $27. You have to buy 3 of one color for around $30 a 3-pak. To get a
> full backup set of 5 cartridges that the iP4000 uses, you have to buy 5
> sets of triple packs at $30 each, or about $150. That's a pain in the
> ass when I can buy a full 5 color Canon compatible set on eBay for
> around $10 and pocket the $140 for better use.
>
>
> AMcLean

Our local troll used to simply mislead now he's an outright liar. He has
no conscious or morals at all.
Frank
 
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[quote="Freddy"
But I have one quick question...the printers come with a 1-year
warranty for parts and labour...would that cover the cost of fixing
the
head??? or the heads are not included in the warranty...[/quote]


Davy say's
Everything should be guaranteed for 12 months, did you know that the
heads in the Canons are 'user' replaceable.

Im sure you'll find it very economical..
 
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In article <1117458775.723324.107940@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
"Freddy" <zfreddyzzz@gmail.com> wrote:

> one last thing that made me lean more towards Canon, is that I have a
> personal preference for Canon over HP (I owned 2 digital cameras, a 2MP
> Canon and a 5MP HP...and the Canon was far superior than the HP)..so
> this "silly" comparison also played a role in my decision...

Freddy-

I agree with your choice of cameras. Canon is a camera company. I love
my Elph Jr. However, I have had comparitively bad experiences with older
Canon printers, especially with image fading in a very short time. While
newer inks may be better, they aren't noted for permanence compared to
other brands.

HP is a printer company that also sells some cameras and computers. Given
your choices, I would definitely take the HP.

How open are you to other suggestions? Would your casual-use printer be
of use as a travel printer? The HP 450 with battery pack and Bluetooth
module works quite well. Canon supporters can suggest a competitive model
if you prefer.

Fred
 
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Guys,

Please let's keep talking about the printers...

let's not go into personal stuff...you can solve that at the local
bar...

let's get back to our printer discussion...

OK .. how larger are the HP cartridges from those of the Canon...I mean
volume wise..
 
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> There is no "Tri Color Cart" in the iP4000!!! There are three colors
> and two blacks

I might be following this thread incorrectly. The iP3000 and iP4000
use seperate CMYK, where the 4000 has an extra K, this is true. The
iP1500 uses the tricolor cart, as in if you are out of any color, you
replace the whole thing. The iP1500 is rather like the old Canon BJ
2100 with it's thimble sized in carts.
 
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OK guys,

I just found out that:

9.5 mL of black ink for the Canon ip1500 cost $9.99 CAD
10 mL of black ink for the HP 3745 cost $28.63 CAD

so I guess the money I save buying an HP I will pay it with the first
black cartridge replacement.

Freddy
 
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> 9.5 mL of black ink for the Canon ip1500 cost $9.99 CAD
> 10 mL of black ink for the HP 3745 cost $28.63 CAD


I thought that the HP 27 was US 18.00 or CAD$22.60, but hey, i'm not
there.
Most of the time HP printers offer cartrages with higher yields than
canon, but the HP3745 isn't one of them. Most people reccomend HP
because you spend less time printing than opening the cover. the HP
3745 won't print through a ream of paper without a refill.

The IP3000 has a 25ml (BCI-3eBK) black. For me that would cost
USD$13.00 at office depot where the black for the ip1500
(BCI-24Bk)would cost $7.45 for 9.5ml. Let's assume $16.00 CAD for the
ip3000, and $9.00 for the IP1500.
..64Ccents/ml vs .94Ccents/ml or $23.50 canadian for the same amount of
black on the IP1500 as you get for only $16 on the IP1500. or to put
another way, you'd have to buy 15ml CAD$14.10 more ink on the IP 1500
to get the same amount of black that the IP 3000 comes with. You have
to buy 5 BCI-24Bk @ $45 to equal the same amount in two BCI-3eBK @
$32.00.

But on the other hand, the ip1500 is cheaper than most HPs and epsons,
and definatly cheaper than lexmark. While I and others would reccomend
the ip3000, the ip1500 isn't so bad a deal for its ink.

Be careful of sub CAD$100 printers. While they cost less sometimes
they use thimble sized carts that cost a good deal more per/ml than
models you can buy for only a few bucks more.
 
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