What do you think of my Rig?

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I am aiming for the best performance in gaming, please let me know what you think of my Rig and how it could be improved. :bounce:

Personal Computer build nicknamed 'MiNuN's Monster'

Goal: High-End Super Gaming; with the latest technology available to the public.

P.C. Case: Thermaltake Level 10 VL30001N1Z Black Aluminum ATX Super Full Tower Gaming Station Computer Case
Mother Board: ASUS P6X58D Premium Motherboard
Processor: Intel BX80613i7980X Core i7 980X Extreme Edition Processor
Heatsink: Tuniq Tower 120 Extreme Universal CPU Cooler 120mm
R.A.M.: 3 X CORSAIR DOMINATOR 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model CMP8GX3M2A1600C9
Video Card: Diamond Radeon HD 5970 Video Card
Hard-Disk Drive/Solid-State Drive: Intel X25-M Mainstream SSDSA2MH080G2R5 2.5" 80GB SATA II MLC Internal Solid State Drive (SSD), Western Digital RE4 WD2003FYYS 2TB 7200 RPM 64MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive
Other Drives: Lite-On IHAS424-98 Internal DVD Writer
Power Supply: Ultra X4 1200-Watt Modular Power Supply

EXTRAS:
O.S.: Windows 7 Ultimate
Wireless Card: Sabrent 802.11n Wireless PCI Controller Card
Sound Card: Asus Xonar Essence ST PCI 7.1 Sound Card
Security Software: VIPRE Antivirus Premium 3 Years

PERIPHERALS:
Keyboard: Logitech G19 Gaming Keyboard
Mouse: Microsoft 3HA-00001 SideWinder X8 Mouse
Mouse surface: RAZER Megasoma Professional Gaming Mouse Mat & Professional Gaming Mat
Monitor: Viewsonic VX2265wm 22" Widescreen LCD Monitor
Speakers: Creative GigaWorks S750 700 Watts 7.1 Speaker
Headset: Logitech G35 Gaming Headphone
Printer: Brother MFC-795cw Inkjet AiO Printer Wireless
 

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Ok here are some changes

ram MUCH faster and all you'll ever need http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820145311&Tpk=12gb%20dominator%20gt

the heatsink is pretty underwhelming but It looks beautiful so I myself would keep it

I myself though would get a 930 instead of a 980 and upgrade the 5970 to 480 sli

I'd buy a cheaper case and heavilly mod it or let it be heavily modded as its much cooler and monsterlike than that level 10 this is for example a cheap case modded to absolute beauty http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p5g07YGZCK8

for the rest I'd get a brand psu

and a better monitor maybe even three or a 3d

and I don't like that keyboard or the mouse

I would get the alienware tactx set(including the headset)

and otherwise a RAT 9 with I don't know which keyboard
 

4745454b

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Seeing as this is a joke post, why not. Hard to comment on all of this correctly seeing as we don't have links.

RAM. 24GBs sounds nice, but I bet the speed is to slow. Shoot for smaller sticks that have better timings. You can't find games that need 24GBs anyways, so shoot for 6GBs with fast timings.

GPU. Why only one? CF it and make sure your running three screens.

SSD. Why the mainstream one? Get the fast one.

Optical drive. Where is the blu ray drive?

PSU. An Ultra? Really? Get the Corsair 850 or better.

And you thought you knew what you were doing... (as I said, joke post.)
 

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@somebody_007 I don't get it, Can the MoBo support and make use of those Dominator-GT? In the MoBo specs it says "Memory Standard DDR3 2000(O.C.)/1600/1333/1066" I thought I am limited up to 1600s?

I am a single-monitor type of person :).

Could somebody do a comparision of the RAT 9 to X8 mouse, to why I should get the RAT 9? It looks very interesting for sure.

@474545b This is not a joke post.

You are correct, I just wanted to max it out, but you are correct. I am adjusting from 3 packs to 1, so I will have a total of 8gb RAM.

As I get more money I will stack the GPU and take advantage of the CFX.

Fast one? please link :)

I have a PS3, no need!

I am learning as I gather feedback, thank you!

here is most of the products
http://secure.newegg.com/WishList/PublicWishDetail.aspx?WishListNumber=14769126
 

4745454b

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If your going to get a tri memory channel CPU, I'd get a tri memory channel kit. 8GBs would work, but 6GB/12GB would be better. I'd go for six, but I get the feeling I know your answer to that. I'd actually not bother with the 980 and get one of the i7 8xx chips. Get that and a fast low latency 2x4GB set.

You might be a single monitor person, but Eyefinity is a great idea. Why bother with the 5970 if you don't need it? 2560x1600 is to small the 5970, you need something bigger.

Not sure what you mean by "have a PS3, no need". I thought you said this was a gaming setup?
 

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yes is can make use of dominator GT's as it can support 2000mhz officially and can probably do far more but I'd take a ROG RIIIE to be sure since that a far better mobo anyways.

Ans yes eyefinity would be a great idea

I definetaly wouldnt go i7 8xx series but I would consider going i7 930

and the rat 9 isn't available yet so there are no reviews but the x8 is ugly and the rat 9 is adjustable.
 

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You are right, I should make use of the Triple Channel, but instead I am thinking of 3x4GB for a total of 12?

"You might be a single monitor person, but Eyefinity is a great idea. Why bother with the 5970 if you don't need it? 2560x1600 is to small the 5970, you need something bigger. " Could you elaborate on that please

sombody_007 could you link me to the ROG RIIIE? I would like to compare. Also, how do you know that it can support 2000mhz? I don't know how to find that out.

I am not a computer person, and I am positive that my knowledge is very basic.

What I am looking for is the best performance in computer video gaming and I do not want to sacrifice any performance even if the product cost much lower.
 

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this is the rog RIIIE one of the best mobos on the market with a huge heatsink and tons of features http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131642&Tpk=rampage%20iii%20extreme

it can support up to 2200mhz(O.C.) although I havent found it what that OC means and no-one else seems to know either. But it will definetaly support dominator GT's

yes you could do 3X4gb or 6X2 if you want 12gb

2560X1600 is almost as intensive as 5000X1000

I also don't see the point of a 5970 its worse than 2 5850s
 

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Ah, lol I never knew it was shorten to rog RIIIE, very interesting name indeed! Sadly, I will be keeping my MoBo, the rog RIIE does not seem to beat it in specs, but instead its features, I am not interested in most of its features though, but thank you for showing this MoBo to me.

There reason why I am doing 3x4GB is to make use of the Triple Channel Memory.

I believe you, but how did you find out it can support up to 2200mhz(O.C.)?
I thought O.C. meant overclock?

Well if I have 5970s it is definitely better than 2 5850s right ha ha ha, I do plan to make use of the CrossFireX.

"2560X1600 is almost as intensive as 5000X1000 " How come you bought this up?
 

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somebody_007, I want to thank you, and I hope you can keep watching over as well advising my Rig in till it is ready to be built!
 

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Whats the point of buying the 5970? If your just going to use a 1680x1050 or 1920x1080 monitor, you can use the 5870 just fine. It will be more then enough for those resolutions. You need the 5970 for big resolutions, and you can only get them by using Eyefinity. There are a few games that the 5870 won't be able to max out at 2560x1600, but somehow I doubt your using one of those 30" screens.

I also don't see the point of a 5970 its worse than 2 5850s
How do you figure? I thought it was a CF 5850 on one card.
 

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@4745454b

I can use the 5870 or any other cheaper GPU, but I want the best performing one, and that is currently the 5970s, besides GPU does more than just set the resolutions for my monitor/pc right?

I am not too fond of Eyefinity, I know I should take advantage but I really hate not having everything on one screen (and those space between monitors bothers me as well, I need to be comfortable when I am gaming).

Well the good thing about the ASUS Fuhzion monitor is that it is 3D ready and has a 120 refresh rate.

Even though I hate 3D with glasses (I am excited for the new NDS 3D without glasses!) I can not deny that it is a new way of video gaming, I would love to experience it when I can.

4745454b, I know that you are against me spending so much money for just for that bit more performance, but this is what I want to do. I hope you can continue advising my Rig in till I am ready to build it and show you guys! :)
 

4745454b

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I wish I could explain this in a way you could understand. Lets try it this way. Show me benchmarks from 3 different games where the 5870 can't max out the game at whatever resolution you are using. Perhaps after looking at benchmarks you'll know what I'm trying to say?

I can use the 5870 or any other cheaper GPU, but I want the best performing one, and that is currently the 5970s, besides GPU does more than just set the resolutions for my monitor/pc right?
What else do you think it does?
 

4745454b

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I have no idea, this is why I am coming to you guys! You tell me =D
But you are telling us. Your saying for some unknown reason that you need a 5970. Buying this card for a 1680x1050 monitor makes as much sense as buying a hex core CPU just to surf the web, or 24GBs of ram and using win 32bit. I don't mean to be rude, but you came in talking about getting a huge CPU, more ram then you'd ever need (right now at least) and a GPU thats also overkill. You gave the air of someone who just picked out a bunch of stuff that cost a lot of money and assumed it was the best and what you needed.

I've probably harped on this to much already, and I'm sorry if its over the top. Just trying to point out that you are spending to much in the wrong areas. (I just checked your first post again, assuming that 22" monitor is 1680x1050 like most of them are, you have WAY to much GPU. Find me ONE game that the 5870 can't max out. You're better off spending $400 on the 5870, and using the other $300 to buy a 1080 screen.)
 

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A 5970 is 5870's Xfired on one card but since its one card the gpu's have to be heavily downclocked to keep the heat reasonable. Which makes a 5970 perform on par with 5850 xfire or even below while costing more than twice as much.

Yes I know the O.C. stands for overclock but then what does the overclock mean? does that mean you have to OC the ram because that isn't a standard clock speed(which wouldn't be a problem) or does it mean something else?

and the RIIIE is a better board than the premium. It may not show itself in specs but the whole thing is a heatsink which allows far better overclocks.

and why 2560X1600 is almost as intensive 5000X1000 is because

the first needs around 4mil pixels and the other around 5mil.

And as for the build itself I have to agree with 474545b.

Buying a system like this to game on a 22inch is like buying a buggati veyron to go to the mall. It's pointless.

If you really want a good system at least find something to use it for. Like eyefinity, nvidia 3d or nvidia 3d surround.

Also that cpu isn't a good buy for a gamer I'd go for a 930 and go with one of the 3 above suggestions or just buy a normal computer. (btw you need nvidia cards for nvidia 3d or 3d surround)

Ohh and 470 sli ouperforms a 5970 and costs the same and enables all the nvidia technology.
 

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A 5970 is 5870's Xfired on one card but since its one card the gpu's have to be heavily downclocked to keep the heat reasonable. Which makes a 5970 perform on par with 5850 xfire or even below while costing more than twice as much.
I still don't follow you. What you write isn't true. Lets look at the 5850.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814161330

Core is 725, 1440 shaders, and a 4Gbps memory speed. Now for the 5970.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814103088

Core is 725, 1600x2 shaders, and a 4Gbps memory speed. Its identical in speeds to the 5850, but with more shaders. It should perform better then the 5850, but slower then the 5870 in CF. The 5870 has the same 1600 shaders, but an 850MHz core clock and 4.8Gbps memory speed. It does cost more then the 5850 in CF, but its faster as well. Not sure about your 470SLI claim. To lazy to look it up right now.
 

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You can't compare things by comparing specs. We all know for example that a 2.8hgz 930 will trash a 3.4ghz 965 phenom.

All I know is benchmarks showed xfire 5850's beating 5970's. I don't know why but benchmarks don't lie.
 

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Can you share one/some? You can compare these, they have the same arch. You can't compare the chips you mentioned because the arch is different. The 5970 should be faster as it has the same cores, same clocks, but even more shaders.
 

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as you can see it is beaten every time by 5850xfire exept in two games where the issue seems to be something with crossfire because it even beats the 5870. But even in those games it only beats the 5850xfire by a few frames.
 

4745454b

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First, let me say thank you for the link. I've grown tired of challenging people to prove what they claim only to have them either disappear, or throw an insult back. Well done. Second, I gather from your "finally" comment that it was hard to find this proof? If so, you might want to change your stance on this before I release the flood showing the 5970 is better performing.

But even in those games it only beats the 5850xfire by a few frames.
Same for the 5850 CF? In the fallout 3 bench you linked its beating the 5970 by 4FPS. This comes out to being 4.5% faster. If you look however you can see problems with the graphs. First, the 5850 CF scores the same as the 5870 CF. Either the cards have the same performance, or they are being limited by something. (bottlenecked) I could be the CPU or something else, but I suspect I know what.

If you look at the first chart showing the 5970, 5870, and the GTX295 you'll see the 5970 losing to both card until you hit 16x12. The 5970 doesn't come out on top of both cards until you hit 19x12. This is also the same res in the lower graph. I suspect the resolution is the bottleneck. It allows lower cards to keep up because it doesn't tax them enough. If you looked at 2560x1600 charts I think you'd start to see more wins for the 5970.

This does raise a good point however. If you can get two 5850s for <$600, and it performs as good as or slightly better then the 5970, why bother with the 5970? If most people use 1680x1050 or 1920x1080 screens, the 5850 in CF will be just fine. Seeing as its two cards I suspect is uses a bit more power, but other than that there is no reason to not get them. When I get the chance I'll go looking for those 2650x1600 benchies. I'm curious to see how the 5850 CF fares.
 

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