I don't know yet, I've heard that they are the exact same, and I've also heard that they are binned higher. I don't know what to believe on this one, since I'd really like to believe that they are binned higher, but I'm just not sure. We'll see when I get my paycheck. But I bet I will splurge and go with the 965 in a sort of impulse buy kind of thing, just like I did with my HSF. I planned on getting a Xig Dark Knight, but I had some extra cash, and i just couldn't resist the thought of a Thor's Hammer with two Ultra Kaze's in push/pull, so I ended up spending like $80 instead of the planned $40.