WHAT IS GOING ON!! PLEASE Help!! I AM BEGGING!!

[RS13]

I'm looking for a new TV to replace my old Hisense--it has developed a serious case of dead pixelitis. I have now bought two different TVs that were supposed to have really low input lag and have been over 100 ms! First was the Samsung un40ku6300 and now the Vizio D-Series UHD 40 in. This was supposed to 13ms of input lag. It has nearly 10 times that!

Please, this is so frustrating I'm on the verge of tears.

 

[TMTOWTSAC]

Did you have Game Mode enabled on either or those while you were playing?

 

[ss202sl]

http://www.rtings.com/tv/tests/inputs/input-lag

 

[RS13]

Yes, I had game mode enabled.
And I used that exact chart to chose my TV. I CHOSE THE ONE AT THE VERY TOP OF THE CHART!

 

[rgd1101]

MERGED QUESTION
Question from RS13 : "Best TV To Use as a Monitor"

Before you say it, yes, I know there are decided advantages to using a monitor as a monitor. But I've been using my Hisense 42" monitor and I just don't think I can go down to a 20-some inch monitor, especially since I prefer to play some distance away from my TV. So unless you know of cheap way to get a TV-sized monitor, it's TV or bust for me.

So, here's what I'm looking for:
Low input lag (<33ms)
No [strike]Fake Refresh Rate[/strike] interpolation or other method that leaves artifacts. (I think Backlight strobing would be OK.)
>42"
<$500

It would be nice if it had 4K and true 120hz (do any TVs have this?), but neither of those are must haves. Of those two, I'd prefer 120hz to 4K. Thanks.

 

[rgd1101]

MERGED QUESTION
Question from RS13 : "PLEASE HELP! TV as Monitor"

I was using my TV as a monitor, but it died. And today, after spending hours researching TVs, I plopped down $500 on a shiny new Samsung UN40KU6300.

And it was awful. We're talking input lag of 100ms. IN GAME MODE. And I specifically bought it to avoid that problem.

I'm desperate here. I just want a display with low input lag, around 42 inches and under $500. I got this 4 years ago, but it seems impossible to get now.

Check out the 49in Wally World Sceptre 4k. So far it's been the best gaming experience that I've had with a tv. The picture isn't as good as the Samsung. I have heard the lowest input lag is the LG OLEDs. There was an article about the different model tvs and their input lags but I can't find it right now. Avoid the Sharp, that was the worst lag I've seen on a tv. I have heard the vizio are decent for a good experience but they didn't have the one I wanted at the store when I bought my Sammy (the vizio was my first choice). If you're really sensitive to input lag, a monitor is the way to go, it sucks, but the tvs just aren't designed around a fast experience, think about the games that excel on PS4 or XBOne. People just wouldn't be competitive at say CS:GO, just not fast enough response times. TVs are made for the best picture, so the processors in side are usually better than a monitor at image processing but they also take longer. You would think that if you're running native 4k or 1080 or 720 there shouldn't be any need for image processing off a computer, but they're not designed for that, they're designed to make BLU Ray and DVD and the web stuff look good, so it's almost always compressed to hell and upscaled for the tv to use and the tv will try to clean the picture as best it can.

Can you provide any solid numbers on the Sceptre 49"? I looked on amazon and one guy said he got 8ms (I think he may have confused lag and response time) and another guy said he got 150ms!

I wouldn't say I'm super sensitive to input lag, but the 100ms I was getting on the Samsung is an eternity. My previous TV had 33ms, so I'm looking to stay in that range (and not, say, triple it).

 

[rgd1101]

MERGED QUESTION
Question from RS13 : "How Much Blurrier Will a 1080p image look on a 4K Display than on a Native 1080p Display?"

I'm asking because--as I describe here: https://goo.gl/YfR3Mh--I'm looking to replace my old 1080p TV with a new one. It seems like the nicer TVs in my price range are all 4K, but I don't want to run most of my games at 4K. If the difference is negligible, I'll pull the trigger on a 4k TV.

it will be hard to tell the difference on the decent monitor.

They say It's really not that bad on a 4k monitor, compared to lowering resolution on a 1440p or 1080p monitor. I don't have the experience though.

 

[RS13]

Rgd1101 Those questions should not be merged. I am no longer asking for TV recommendations. I'm now asking for tech support for the TV I now have. It is performing waaay below specifications.

 

[TMTOWTSAC]

When I was reading a review of the Samsung, they measured an input lag of 114.3 ms with game mode off. 19.6 ms with game mode on. Are you sure it was one while you were playing, and didn't get turned off somehow?

http://www.pcmag.com/review/349812/samsung-un40ku6300fxza

 

[RS13]

When I was reading a review of the Samsung, they measured an input lag of 114.3 ms with game mode off. 19.6 ms with game mode on. Are you sure it was one while you were playing, and didn't get turned off somehow?

http://www.pcmag.com/review/349812/samsung-un40ku6300fxza

Yes, I'm sure.

 

[RS13]

OK, so I've screwed around with this a little more... and things are weird. So someone suggested the lag might be a product of the way I was testing it (with a mirrored laptop), so I hooked the tv up to my desktop and there's still that lag. But then I opened up Dishonored (which I had set to 1080p) just to see how it would run and the *menu* was running at 30 fps. I screwed around with things some more and found that

1. Things seem to smoother with THE GAME at 4K and the desktop at 1080p than with the desktop at 4K and the game at 1080p.
1A. This doesn't seem to change regardless of whether the game in fullscreen or borderless window.
2. My PC thinks I have a 120hz refresh rate. I get the option to change it both in game and in NVidia control panel. I don't. I have 60 fps with backlight strobing. Which is turned off.
2A. But even when I set vsync to 120hz, it's locked at 60.
3. Other weird results: In Dishonored, setting the game to 4k locks the mouse cursor in the upper right quardrant of the screen. In Doom, setting the game to 1440p locks the frame rate at 30 (I get higher than that at 4K).

Anyone got any idea what this means?

 

[lfkfkfkffs]

I had the same issue with my 240hz monitor. It happens when the cable can't handle all of the data.

 

[RS13]

I had the same issue with my 240hz monitor. It happens when the cable can't handle all of the data.

So... how do I fix it? Is there a specific cable I need to buy or what?

 

[lfkfkfkffs]

depends on what type of connectors you have available and what gpu you have

 

[RS13]

Titan X Maxwell, I've had it connected by HDMI cables.

 

[TMTOWTSAC]

According to that review page:

http://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/samsung/ku6300

It has:

"HDMI 2.0 Full Bandwith : Yes (HDMI 1)"

With the explanation:

"For sharper text 4:4:4 you must set the input type to 'PC'. For 4K@60Hz@4:4:4 you must enable UHD mode. This is only possible on HDMI1."

The upshot of all this seems to be that it has 3 HDMI ports, but only HDMI 1 fully supports all settings.

As far as that Vizio:

http://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/vizio/d-series-4k-2016

"To get the input lag to a minimum, we had to use the 'Game' picture mode and the HDMI 5 input."

But, to reach 4k@60hz:

"4k @ 60Hz is limited to 4:2:0. 4k @ 30Hz supports 4:2:2."

So for both TV's, I think you'd have to manually set your GPU to the correct RGB color space/Chroma Subsampling ratio. Manually set the correct refresh rate. And plug into HDMI 1 on the Samsung, and HDMI 5 on the Vizio.

 

[RS13]

Yes, I have it connected to HDMI 5. The colors haven't a problem, the performance has. Also, I no longer have the Samsung. I returned it thinking the problem might have been specific to that TV.

 

[TMTOWTSAC]

Do you have it set to 4k@60hz with chroma subsampling at 4:2:0, Game Mode on, and possibly Game Low Latency on (not sure if it applies at 4k) as well?

 

[D34D M34T]

MERGED QUESTION
Question from RS13 : "How Much Blurrier Will a 1080p image look on a 4K Display than on a Native 1080p Display?"

I'm asking because--as I describe here: https://goo.gl/YfR3Mh--I'm looking to replace my old 1080p TV with a new one. It seems like the nicer TVs in my price range are all 4K, but I don't want to run most of my games at 4K. If the difference is negligible, I'll pull the trigger on a 4k TV.

it will be hard to tell the difference on the decent monitor.

They say It's really not that bad on a 4k monitor, compared to lowering resolution on a 1440p or 1080p monitor. I don't have the experience though.

I have a 39" 4K monitor and 75" 4K display tv. Both "do" 1080p better than a 1080 display, The 75" has upscaling that significantly improves 1080 signals.

 

[razamatraz]

Silly question but have you checked for firmware updates?

Also, I get that you took the samsung back already but it specifically cannot run in game mode in 4:4:4 so you would get the full ~100ms if you are running at that color space. This TV also has bad response time which might contribute to apparent lag.

On the Vizio: 4:2:0 only but it shouldn't even work if you are not on that already.

 

[RS13]

I don't know. I gave up and picked up a 1080p TV. Saved $300 and put the headaches off at least for a couple of years.

 

[razamatraz]

I don't know. I gave up and picked up a 1080p TV. Saved $300 and put the headaches off at least for a couple of years.

Yah, I'd agree that 4K is a headache right now.....the connector standards are still in flux and sometimes the same HDMI 2.0 ports won't talk, HDCP messes stuff up etc.. Lots to work out yet, if you give it a year or two it will be better I'm sure.