Question What is the best AIO for a Thermaltake Core P8 Tempered Glass Full Tower Case and a RYZEN 5 7600X ?

[matthewleigh21]

Hello
I don't really want to utilize more than one AIO (apparently it's possible to utilise up to 3 AIO's
It's a very big case
Im willing to pay for the quality and performance as that is my preferemce

It will need to cool a AMD RYZEN 5 7600X

or...(im still contemplating)
RYZEN 7 9800X3D (maybe)
I'm looking for best temps, even if it's in the "average" area of normal temps on or off load.

(EDIT - I mean I would rather as cool as it could go, rather than average temps.. Even if that's the norm for everyone)


Here's the case.

Thermaltake Core P8​

Company's Site - Case Model
https://thermaltake.com.au/products/core-p8-tempered-glass-full-tower-chassis-ca-1q2-00m1wn-01


If.... If it's really worth it (future thinking also)
Maybe I'll get some more AIO's
I'm not confident to make my own loop (but there's a first for everything)
It's probably what I'd like most



So any help please?, with what you can see and what I have said..

Thanks again

 

[dwd999]

I just built a 9950X3d in a Lian Li O11 Dynamic Evo RGB, which is a similar case. I'm using the new Arctic Freezer III Pro 360 which may not be available yet in Australia. But any Arctic Freezzer III 360 or 420 would be a good choice.

 

[matthewleigh21]

I just built a 9950X3d in a Lian Li O11 Dynamic Evo RGB, which is a similar case. I'm using the new Arctic Freezer III Pro 360 which is currently on sale at Amazon for $85 for the black version. I paid more for the white RGB version but the black RGB version is only $94.

Ahh yes thankyou for the info, what are your temps on load, like most intensive game (no mods) average?

Im aiming for around mid 50° degrees on an average heavy load, or possibly even lower

I do see and that most people's temps are on around 80° average on load and that's even noted as a "safe" load temp and is normal.
Some chips hotter and some colder

That's why I'm contemplating on a custom loop, with a deep cpu water lock, highest rpm fans but quality for noise dampening

Im not sure if this is a "thing" but like..?Antifreeze? (for PC's) mainly used for cars it's used

 

[dwd999]

The temps you get also depend on: your ambient room temp; the number of fans you have and the speeds you run them at; and other things like how your gpu affects temps inside the case if your AIO is drawing its intake are from inside the case; and how you have your fan curves set. My ambient temps are usually on the high side, sometimes around 80F 27C because I'm old and I like my room warm, especially after sunset. I also have my fan curves set to bios minimum 20 percent so they're quiet until the cpu temp hits 80C when it ramps up to 100 percent at 90C. So my temps under stress are in the upper sixties and seventies.

The water used for cooling does have some glycol in it the help in the heat transfer, so it is somewhat like antifreeze, which could also be named antiboil.

The build I just finished is totally based on RGB appearances, so its not the most efficient. Most RGB case fans are only half as efficient as highly regarded Noctua fans, which I have in an older build that's in an all black enclosed case where no one sees how ugly Noctua fans can be. Supposedly at Computex last week Noctua indicated that more of its new generation G2 fans will become available in black at some future date, but the exact availability is unknown.

 

[matthewleigh21]

Ambient room temps is something I know all to well with.
Where I used to live, winter... Mid 20°C's
And summer... Full stop, safety shutdowns all the time...

It's good to have a Full Tower case, I can't advise enough, future full proofing, more space for more hardware, more airflow/bigger fans and more of them also, plus the ambient temp in the case is lower, space obviously

Currently I have a build that I have taken the side panel off (show side) and just the open case is enough to bring temps down by 5°C's or further to 10°C's

Though, though a shut case can perform, "Extremely welll" as long as you have set the fans basically in the proper direction and monitored the sense of the airflow and chnage/direct as accordingly to ease the airflow through each fan

Noctua are the best, because they dedicate their profits back into the things they make, and from my point of view, seems like "Cooling Solutions"
Which is great for a dedicated company not to get into the multiple "Game" sharing products or changing into bigger companies that expand into multiple product

- Dedication & Quality over Money and Fame basically...
Underground is always better than Known brands

You just gotta know what your lookin' for


(I literally had to rewrite this because, in in my phone and the battery ran out before.... - _ -)

20% fan curve as a base is pretty safe, I'd probably go for around 34% as a safety net,
Also I'd personally put 68% (safety net) on at least 46-56°C's (Maximum)
Then when it hits around 78°C's I'd put the fans in somewhere around 65%min - 80%max
And include you last curve for 80°C's and 90°C's

The best thing to do is test your CPU heat out with min and max fan curve, both opposite (it won't melt or break, it'll do a safe shutdown when it heats a top temp for a certain period of time)
Then find the average, halve the remainder in the average, so if the first temp with 100% fan the whole time from say 1°C - 100°C's and you get 50°C's

then that's your best
It's always good to have a safety net, so a percent on the fan curve should
Should always be at least 5% more or extra to create a "fallback" so you can basically relax. And not worry about it


Lol. I know I sorta went a bit overboard there.
Im going to try the antifreeze.

First research obviously. But sounds pretty proof

 

[DSzymborski]

Whatever the best AIOs are generally going to be the best AIOs. What's your budget range? What features are important to you?

I'm a little confused by the references to "up to three AIOs" and "maybe I'll get more AIOs." How would one mount/implement a bunch of AIOs? I'm also a bit confused by some of the other pre-planning requirements as it's an odd way to configure a cooling solution. It would help to understand what exactly you have in mind.

While you can use some diluted antifreeze, that's mainly because it has biocide and some compounds to reduce corrosion and you can get those without antifreeze. Otherwise, there's a lot of utility in antifreeze that is for the specific environments that a car has to operate in that aren't relevant to computers. I mean, is this PC planning to be used in an unheated patio in Siberia? You'd also need to pay attention to the type of tubing you use.

 

[matthewleigh21]

Lol, no Siberia.... Yet

But, my budget range is fine (I'm willing to save however much)
Basically I'm a mad nerd/geek/gamer nut lol (all respects)
So as many features possible is great for me, but need good quality, whether it's a LCD or metal and anything inbetween


Well the case I'm aiming for has alot of options for AIO+Fan's

https://www.centrecom.com.au/therma...N_ySRg_pc80A6MoLZkj9ogbMH9TsDmOAaAodwEALw_wcB

Sorry I'm pretty relevant with most things, but yes I got confused about the amount of AIO's
I think it's like probs a max of two, (one for gpu and one for cpu)
But I am thinking I might as well go for a custom water loop

It'll be my first, and experiment with liquids to get something that will be colder (liquid, long shot?.. Yes... Doable?.. I think maybe.)

And we'll, when it comes to anti freeze or not, I'm happy to use it, especially if it drops at least an extra 10°C's extra, (compared to the best AIO/Custom loop at the moment)
I do believe it'll drop at least 15°C' ontop of what the others can do.
There's no reason to not do it.

Then you'll definitely know that your equipment has lasted another 5-10years
Sorta like the "certified /guarantee" feeling

 

[DSzymborski]

And we'll, when it comes to anti freeze or not, I'm happy to use it, especially if it drops at least an extra 10°C's extra, (compared to the best AIO/Custom loop at the moment)
I do believe it'll drop at least 15°C' ontop of what the others can do.
There's no reason to not do it.

Building your first custom loop can be a good experience, but you need to set clear, realistic goals, and have an understanding of what you're doing. The notion that just putting in car antifreeze will drop you 10 to 15 degrees C below the best custom loops, is extremely unrealistic. So is a guarantee of an added 5-10 years of the life of your product.

AIO GPU coolers are quite niche products. You'll sometimes find standalone ones like the Alphacool products for the 4090 FE and the reference 7900 XTX. Where they exist, it's usually as an integrated part that comes with the GPU.

 

[matthewleigh21]

Anti freeze is pretty strong, I mean, it's a lot colder to touch compared with water, feels like ice, but yes "I Do Not Recommend it myself)
Theres no reason not to. Obviously could be unstable or corrosive. I'd have to research but by feel and look, I really do think that it could be a good choice.
I'll be researching later in the year or two

But I'll be trying this out.

Any loops is only as cold as water and the obvious ambience and cpu heat

Fans that keep the radiator cool are only as good as the cold they emit, if anything the fins of the radiator with the water in them (correct me if I'm wrong) are only going to be as cool as what the fans basically induce them to be, yes the metal may be thin and the air which is blowing into the fins may disperse a bit (realistically lowering the temp of fins that keep circulating the water which only cools down to a certain level, obviously these chips these day's are getting Very hot, to the point if there was no safety shutoff then they "Would melt"
Basically in the correct terms (I hope), the water stays the same temp° and dissapates the heat over time on the CPU, but only to a maximum of 50% of its average (the water) does the CPU% in degrees lower.
Lukewarm water is the "average"
50% but realistically it's 100% (for a computer)
So it's "cold"
Pretend the CPU IS 200°C's as threshold
So 100°C's (is only going to be halved, because water is very cold)
So we market the product at a maximum 90°C's
And the ambience plus water over time with the fans will, the Water will only be ambient room temperature,
Or a certain 10°C-15°C colder
Yes aluminum is great, but with fans it's only cooling it down a further 10-20°C's max
I'm working this out in basically 1000-1500rpm fans
24°C's (temps a bit hard)

Anti-Freeze is significantly colder like from what I can remember, Last time I checked it was 15°C's lower or a fraction more,

 

[bill001g]

What I suggest you do is go watch a bunch a youtube videos on custom water cooling. You will quickly find the question of coolant is not simple. Be somewhat careful some of the videos are paid advertising for the coolant makers. jaytwocents tends to be reputably but he cover much more than just cooling so would watch a few different content providers.

The largest issue seems to be related to how the coolant you choose reacts with all the different metals. In worst case you have copper and aluminum and use simple water. Only takes a couple hours. In general plain water is good enough to transfer the heat from the block to the radiator. The coolant is more to prevent the system from actually eating the metal and plastics.

Of course one key differences for coolant used is the color. A lot of people use clear tubing and spend lots of time on the aesthetics

I am a bad person to ask on stuff like that. I turn all the led off and only choose my case based on how much air flow it has. It sits behind my monitor where I can't see it anyway.

 

[DSzymborski]

Anti freeze is pretty strong, I mean, it's a lot colder to touch compared with water, feels like ice, but yes "I Do Not Recommend it myself)

Antifreeze feels cold because glycols are a type of alcohol. You'll also feel it if you dip your hand in rubbing alcohol. But most common cooling systems for PCs, including closed loops coolers, are closed systems (hence the name); you're *transferring* heat to the radiator.

You also can't divide/multiply heat in this way. Fahrenheit and Celsius aren't absolute scales that start at no heat.

Before you attempt this, I highly recommend you do a *lot* more research. Don't go by "feel" or "look" unless you're willing to dump a lot of extra money into this project just to learn by trial and error.

 

[matthewleigh21]

I'll continue learning, thankyou for your explanations!
Very well noted

If transferring the heat from the to radiator, I'm supposing the heat, well, comes from the CPU, obviously.. Why not have a thick head to the CPU cooler head (coolers head bit that connects)

Is the dissapation of heat the same as if it were thin, compared to the speed of the coolers head(think fan), sort of hard to explain) because if you have it quick
It'll cool quicker than it can heat,.. Hmm sorta answered my own question.
Apart from the anti-freeze thought, I think at least with heatsink towers, it comes down to speed

(oh and thought of something, so.. There is the EK CPU Block, imagine of we had something similar, but all you had to do was fill with a thick liquid each 6months or 12months once and it would melt slowly or evoporate slowly but still keep extreme low temps.
Sorry to bring it up again, but like a very thick goo of Anti-Freeze, even spring bound downwards towards the CPU

Basically volume, sensitive metal, thin metal also high speed fans.
I really hope Noctua stay dedicated to cooling, I think we need more independent focused companys, whether big or small.

Communitys thrive more on independence and high quality companies that devote care and love. Because it shows,

Sorta like underground music. Lol

 

[JayGau]

I hope you are aware that unless you are heavily overclocking, you are not gonna gain anything by going "below the average". If the chip runs at the temperature that is considered normal by the manufacturer and it's far from the throttling limit, then you get the max performance. Running at 50c in games instead of 60c won't bring you any additional fps.

If you want to get better performance, you should focus your efforts on things that really matter, like a faster CPU, faster RAM, a better motherboard.

But of course, if you do all if this because you like it and it's fun to learn new stuff, that's a totally different story and I'd say go for it.

 

[matthewleigh21]

Yeah, well that's the point, I'm interested about different ways to cool a PC, including overclocking.
Well it's a mad learning curve, we live mainly by logic, with the element of chance, so, I think it'd be fun

Most people who know about temps would probably be interested in cooling, longevity of the hardware or even making room for more upgrades for chips and also the possibility of differently made chips or features whether software, hardware or both.