Question What is the best Rtx 40 series for cooling?

[The Shadow Rose]

I wanted to get a dlss 3 card for my computer since i have the money for once. I grew up with a 50 dollar computer playing on the lowest graphics till I built my current one awhile back and from what I can tell it can handle any of the 40 series. I originally built it around cooling and silence so I want to get the best cooling dlss 3 card for it but nothing seems to just say which has the best cooling. As for price nothing above 1000 and no oc.

Here is my original build.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/xC2sZw

It would be great missed anything important throughout this for you guys to bring up.

Thanks.

 

[bill001g]

I don't know if there is a huge difference. Most modern video cards the fans will be running extremely low or even off most the time. It is only when you push the card then fans get pretty noticeable. It will depend greatly on the game you run and the setting you are using.

Not sure I have seen a review about the sound levels of cards. If you want as close to silent as you can get you use water cooling with a big radiator so you can run the fans slow. Not many people care that much to go to this extreme.

I would first pick the 40 series card your budget allows then try to find reviews of the different manufactures where they measure the sound levels at maximum load. It is not something I have seen commonly tested for. You can't really compare 2 different 40 series cards. If you artificially set the setting so the frame rate on a 4090 matched a 4070 the fans on the 4090 should be running quieter but nobody spends a lot more money to artificially limit the performance. You can't even really compare say a 4070 and the 4070 that is overclocked slightly at the factory.

I strongly suspect you do not see them measure sound level is there is not a lot of difference when you compare cards that perform the same.

 

[Eximo]

I would actually upgrade a few things.

i7-7700k will hold back many new titles, even at 1440p
You are running your games off of hard drives, which means your loading times are likely very slow. Some games stream enough data from the drive that this may cause pop in as texture packs fail to load quickly.

A cheap CPU upgrade and a motherboard, plus an SSD takes care of that.

Still leaves room for a massive GPU upgrade to the 4070 Super.

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: Intel Core i5-12600K 3.7 GHz 10-Core Processor ($187.99 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D15 82.5 CFM CPU Cooler (Purchased For $0.00)
Motherboard: ASRock Z690 PG Riptide ATX LGA1700 Motherboard ($124.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance LPX 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory (Purchased For $0.00)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance LPX 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory (Purchased For $0.00)
Storage: Kingston SSDNow UV400 240 GB 2.5" Solid State Drive
Storage: Crucial P3 1 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 3.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive ($68.98 @ Amazon)
Storage: Seagate BarraCuda 2 TB 3.5" 7200 RPM Internal Hard Drive (Purchased For $0.00)
Video Card: Gigabyte WINDFORCE OC GeForce RTX 4070 SUPER 12 GB Video Card ($599.99 @ Best Buy)
Case: NZXT Noctis 450 ATX Mid Tower Case
Power Supply: EVGA SuperNOVA 750 G3 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply (Purchased For $0.00)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 10 Home Retail - USB 32/64-bit
Monitor: Asus ROG Swift PG279QM 27.0" 2560 x 1440 240 Hz Monitor (Purchased For $0.00)
Headphones: Bose QuietComfort 35 Series II Headset (Purchased For $0.00)
Total: $981.95
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2024-03-14 09:22 EDT-0400

 

[The Shadow Rose]

I would actually upgrade a few things.

i7-7700k will hold back many new titles, even at 1440p
You are running your games off of hard drives, which means your loading times are likely very slow. Some games stream enough data from the drive that this may cause pop in as texture packs fail to load quickly.

A cheap CPU upgrade and a motherboard, plus an SSD takes care of that.

Still leaves room for a massive GPU upgrade to the 4070 Super.

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: Intel Core i5-12600K 3.7 GHz 10-Core Processor ($187.99 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D15 82.5 CFM CPU Cooler (Purchased For $0.00)
Motherboard: ASRock Z690 PG Riptide ATX LGA1700 Motherboard ($124.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance LPX 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory (Purchased For $0.00)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance LPX 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory (Purchased For $0.00)
Storage: Kingston SSDNow UV400 240 GB 2.5" Solid State Drive
Storage: Crucial P3 1 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 3.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive ($68.98 @ Amazon)
Storage: Seagate BarraCuda 2 TB 3.5" 7200 RPM Internal Hard Drive (Purchased For $0.00)
Video Card: Gigabyte WINDFORCE OC GeForce RTX 4070 SUPER 12 GB Video Card ($599.99 @ Best Buy)
Case: NZXT Noctis 450 ATX Mid Tower Case
Power Supply: EVGA SuperNOVA 750 G3 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply (Purchased For $0.00)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 10 Home Retail - USB 32/64-bit
Monitor: Asus ROG Swift PG279QM 27.0" 2560 x 1440 240 Hz Monitor (Purchased For $0.00)
Headphones: Bose QuietComfort 35 Series II Headset (Purchased For $0.00)
Total: $981.95
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2024-03-14 09:22 EDT-0400

Awesome. Thanks for the help!

The card doesn't come overclocked does it? I don't like overclocking in general since it lowers the lifetime.

Also is it acceptable for win 11? I hadn't thought about it before but I might as well do that to if possible.

 

[Eximo]

Oh, I should add that since you likely don't have the LGA1700 mounting kit for your cooler you can request one from Noctua for free.

https://noctua.at/en/support/mounting-and-upgrade-kits

 

[The Shadow Rose]

Oh, I should add that since you likely don't have the LGA1700 mounting kit for your cooler you can request one from Noctua for free.

https://noctua.at/en/support/mounting-and-upgrade-kits

Is it the NM-117xx-MP83? I haven't looked at builds for like half a decade so i forgot most of the stuff i learned back then honestly.

Also I added a few questions to my last response.

 

[Eximo]

Yes, Windows 11 is generally supported by Intel 8th gen and up.

That would be the one.

Cooler Compatibility:

The following coolers can be made compatible to LGA17xx using the NM-i17xx-MP83 Upgrade-Kit: NH-D15, NH-D15 chromax.black, NH-D15 SE-AM4, NH-D15S, NH-D15S chromax.black, NH-D14, NH-D14 SE2011, NH-D9L, NH-C14, NH-C14S, NH-C12P, NH-C12P SE14, NH-L12, NH-U12, NH-U12F, NH-U12P, NH-U12P SE1366, NH-U12P SE2, NH-U9, NH-U9F, NH-U9B, NH-U9B SE2, NH-L9x65, NH-L9x65 SE-AM4, NH-P1

Well, pretty much CPUs and GPUs overclock themselves these days. As long as temperature and power limits are maintained they will attempt to go as fast as possible. CPUs usually have hard clock speed limits, GPUs don't. So the numbers on the box are relatively meaningless as is the OC and other markings. From the start they might have a little extra clock speed, but it all comes down to the individual chip, only the very high end cards are binned so that they have the best chips possible.

Voltage control was taken away by Nvidia, so at least the degradation part isn't much of a factor. By the time the card starts to fail (if ever) it will be ready for a replacement anyway.

You can set your own power limits if you want silence and low temperatures on the GPU. I regularly set my 350W 3080 Ti to run at 280W.

 

[The Shadow Rose]

Yes, Windows 11 is generally supported by Intel 8th gen and up.

That would be the one.

Cooler Compatibility:

The following coolers can be made compatible to LGA17xx using the NM-i17xx-MP83 Upgrade-Kit: NH-D15, NH-D15 chromax.black, NH-D15 SE-AM4, NH-D15S, NH-D15S chromax.black, NH-D14, NH-D14 SE2011, NH-D9L, NH-C14, NH-C14S, NH-C12P, NH-C12P SE14, NH-L12, NH-U12, NH-U12F, NH-U12P, NH-U12P SE1366, NH-U12P SE2, NH-U9, NH-U9F, NH-U9B, NH-U9B SE2, NH-L9x65, NH-L9x65 SE-AM4, NH-P1

Well, pretty much CPUs and GPUs overclock themselves these days. As long as temperature and power limits are maintained they will attempt to go as fast as possible. CPUs usually have hard clock speed limits, GPUs don't. So the numbers on the box are relatively meaningless as is the OC and other markings. From the start they might have a little extra clock speed, but it all comes down to the individual chip, only the very high end cards are binned so that they have the best chips possible.

Voltage control was taken away by Nvidia, so at least the degradation part isn't much of a factor. By the time the card starts to fail (if ever) it will be ready for a replacement anyway.

You can set your own power limits if you want silence and low temperatures on the GPU. I regularly set my 350W 3080 Ti to run at 280W.

Thanks again!

 

[The Shadow Rose]

I would actually upgrade a few things.

i7-7700k will hold back many new titles, even at 1440p
You are running your games off of hard drives, which means your loading times are likely very slow. Some games stream enough data from the drive that this may cause pop in as texture packs fail to load quickly.

A cheap CPU upgrade and a motherboard, plus an SSD takes care of that.

Still leaves room for a massive GPU upgrade to the 4070 Super.

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: Intel Core i5-12600K 3.7 GHz 10-Core Processor ($187.99 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D15 82.5 CFM CPU Cooler (Purchased For $0.00)
Motherboard: ASRock Z690 PG Riptide ATX LGA1700 Motherboard ($124.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance LPX 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory (Purchased For $0.00)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance LPX 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory (Purchased For $0.00)
Storage: Kingston SSDNow UV400 240 GB 2.5" Solid State Drive
Storage: Crucial P3 1 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 3.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive ($68.98 @ Amazon)
Storage: Seagate BarraCuda 2 TB 3.5" 7200 RPM Internal Hard Drive (Purchased For $0.00)
Video Card: Gigabyte WINDFORCE OC GeForce RTX 4070 SUPER 12 GB Video Card ($599.99 @ Best Buy)
Case: NZXT Noctis 450 ATX Mid Tower Case
Power Supply: EVGA SuperNOVA 750 G3 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply (Purchased For $0.00)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 10 Home Retail - USB 32/64-bit
Monitor: Asus ROG Swift PG279QM 27.0" 2560 x 1440 240 Hz Monitor (Purchased For $0.00)
Headphones: Bose QuietComfort 35 Series II Headset (Purchased For $0.00)
Total: $981.95
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2024-03-14 09:22 EDT-0400

I've been looking stuff over and since I'm going for an upgrade now I changed my limit to 1500 and the processor to the 12900k. 200ish isn't that much extra so why not. Back when I made my computer most games didn't use multiple cores so I went for higher numbers. I imagine that's probably changed by now. What do you think is the best motherboard that fits it that's under 400? I'm probably going to swap both hard drives out for a 2tb+ ssd as well. Should I still pick the same graphics card?

There's the list again if you need it. Haven't done the ssds since I don't have the motherboard type yet. Not sure if kingston is still a good brand. Years change things.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/7w8NFs

 

[bill001g]

It all depends on what your primary usage is. Although games now use more cores most do not benefit once you get above a certain point. It then also gets into the messy problem of the difference between pcores and ecores on intel cpu. Just adding more ecores does not generally benefit as much as a cpu with less core but higher clock rates.

In general if you main usage is games the GPU is going to be your limiting factor espeically if you are running above 1080p.
You want to spend extra money on the gpu and get a good enough cpu.

You have gone from a fairly narrow question to I want to build a new pc. You are now going to have to learn lots of stuff if you have not looked at the tech for years.

What you will find in general if a gaming machine is your primary usage a lot of people really like the amd x3d chips. The 5800x3d although older is likely a closer match to the 4070 series video cards. The 7800x3d beat even a 14900k in many game benchmarks, the problem is the 7800x3d is more expensive and it requires DDR5 memory which means you can not use your current memory.

If you go intel I am not so sure the 12900k is your best option. The cost of some of the newer 13xxx and 14xxx parts are very similar. It gets extremely messy to compare these because again it depends on how many core the application can really use and how affected it is by the maximum clock rate on single cores. The biggest issue with 1x900k parts is they use a lot of power and need good cooling. They also need a more expensive motherboard that can provide this power and keep the cpu stable. You might be better off looking at 13700 and 13600 devices.

 

[The Shadow Rose]

It all depends on what your primary usage is. Although games now use more cores most do not benefit once you get above a certain point. It then also gets into the messy problem of the difference between pcores and ecores on intel cpu. Just adding more ecores does not generally benefit as much as a cpu with less core but higher clock rates.

In general if you main usage is games the GPU is going to be your limiting factor espeically if you are running above 1080p.
You want to spend extra money on the gpu and get a good enough cpu.

You have gone from a fairly narrow question to I want to build a new pc. You are now going to have to learn lots of stuff if you have not looked at the tech for years.

What you will find in general if a gaming machine is your primary usage a lot of people really like the amd x3d chips. The 5800x3d although older is likely a closer match to the 4070 series video cards. The 7800x3d beat even a 14900k in many game benchmarks, the problem is the 7800x3d is more expensive and it requires DDR5 memory which means you can not use your current memory.

If you go intel I am not so sure the 12900k is your best option. The cost of some of the newer 13xxx and 14xxx parts are very similar. It gets extremely messy to compare these because again it depends on how many core the application can really use and how affected it is by the maximum clock rate on single cores. The biggest issue with 1x900k parts is they use a lot of power and need good cooling. They also need a more expensive motherboard that can provide this power and keep the cpu stable. You might be better off looking at 13700 and 13600 devices.

Thanks. As for the upgrade in generally I'm fine with 1440p max. I don't really need or want a high end rig. My stuff currently plays everything fine even if its new on max settings. Its just that my card cant do lighting or shadows or any of the modern stuff which was why I wanted a dlss 3 card in the first place. Then I figured I should have it win 11 compatible and so on. What would you recommend I get for the motherboard and processer for that? I'm not going to care about a lost frame. I just wanted modern graphics. I also don't want or need 4k. Cant really tell the difference personally.

 

[Eximo]

13th or 14th gen definitely. cache was increased and the bus was modified and there is superior performance all around. Not to mention that the i7-13700k and the i9-12900k are basically the same thing. That said the 14700k as 12 e cores instead of 8 and is priced only $20 more.

12600K still makes sense at its very discounted price. I only paid $200 for my 12700KF last Black Friday which is why I picked it up. I will wait for the 14700k to drop in price before recycling the 12700kf into another build.

Motherboard choice comes down to what you want it to be able to do. Just plug in a few drives and a GPU and pretty much any Z790 board is suitable.

As to the increased budget, there is room to up a tier in GPU, and/or switch to DDR5.

 

[Eximo]

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: Intel Core i7-14700K 3.4 GHz 20-Core Processor ($389.99 @ Newegg)
CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D15 82.5 CFM CPU Cooler (Purchased For $0.00)
Motherboard: Gigabyte Z790 AORUS ELITE AX DDR4 ATX LGA1700 Motherboard ($209.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance LPX 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory (Purchased For $0.00)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance LPX 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory (Purchased For $0.00)
Storage: Kingston SSDNow UV400 240 GB 2.5" Solid State Drive
Storage: Samsung 980 Pro 2 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive ($169.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Seagate BarraCuda 2 TB 3.5" 7200 RPM Internal Hard Drive (Purchased For $0.00)
Video Card: Gigabyte WINDFORCE OC GeForce RTX 4070 SUPER 12 GB Video Card ($599.99 @ B&H)
Case: NZXT Noctis 450 ATX Mid Tower Case
Power Supply: EVGA SuperNOVA 750 G3 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply (Purchased For $0.00)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 10 Home Retail - USB 32/64-bit
Monitor: Asus ROG Swift PG279QM 27.0" 2560 x 1440 240 Hz Monitor (Purchased For $0.00)
Headphones: Bose QuietComfort 35 Series II Headset (Purchased For $0.00)
Total: $1369.96
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2024-03-15 09:17 EDT-0400

 

[The Shadow Rose]

13th or 14th gen definitely. cache was increased and the bus was modified and there is superior performance all around. Not to mention that the i7-13700k and the i9-12900k are basically the same thing. That said the 14700k as 12 e cores instead of 8 and is priced only $20 more.

12600K still makes sense at its very discounted price. I only paid $200 for my 12700KF last Black Friday which is why I picked it up. I will wait for the 14700k to drop in price before recycling the 12700kf into another build.

Motherboard choice comes down to what you want it to be able to do. Just plug in a few drives and a GPU and pretty much any Z790 board is suitable.

As to the increased budget, there is room to up a tier in GPU, and/or switch to DDR5.

Thanks.