What is the true combat value for Xtal Crew?

[Sparrow]

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Regarding the race stats the Xtal Crew have a combat value of 3, but
that doesn't seem to be true. From my game results and simulations
against Borg troops (combat value 40) their combat strength seems to be
more in the area of 30, so 10 times stronger than stated!

Can anybody confirm this?

 

[Sparrow]

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I should mention that I'm talking about Groudn Combat, not boarding!

 

[Sparrow]

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So the combat value is only half of the story!? A combat boost of about
1000% is quite a lot I dare to say.

Just checked: Xtals have a Dark Power of 120, which is the second
highest of all released races.

 

[Sparrow]

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So true ground combat strength is: Combat strength + Dark Force, e.g.
Xtal crew has a 3 + 120 = 123!?

That would mean Xtals have:
- the second strongest crew
- the third strongest troops
- the sixst strongest HGs

That explains a lot!

Thanks to you and redherring!

 

[Sparrow]

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I did a search before and found that and those from Gabor as well. I
did see the mentioning of Dark Powers, but didn't fully grasp how much
influences it has.

Thanks nevertheless.

 

[Eric]

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For some more info SirDave posted something on this once upon a time..

http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.games.vgaplanets4/browse_thread/thread/fc3d2b5aad5b63d2/0deb5206d063d536?q=combat+strength&rnum=4#0deb5206d063d536


"Sparrow" <e.kueper@gmx.net> wrote in message
news:1112790008.245615.308870@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> So true ground combat strength is: Combat strength + Dark Force, e.g.
> Xtal crew has a 3 + 120 = 123!?
>
> That would mean Xtals have:
> - the second strongest crew
> - the third strongest troops
> - the sixst strongest HGs
>
> That explains a lot!
>
> Thanks to you and redherring!
>

 

[Guest]

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Add the dark force values and you have the effective combat strength in personnel-personnel fights.
A reason why it is hard to kill them but also the reason why many XTal colonists survive and can be captured.

GFM GToeroe



"Sparrow" <e.kueper@gmx.net> schrieb im Newsbeitrag news:1112777470.607712.57890@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
> Regarding the race stats the Xtal Crew have a combat value of 3, but
> that doesn't seem to be true. From my game results and simulations
> against Borg troops (combat value 40) their combat strength seems to be
> more in the area of 30, so 10 times stronger than stated!
>
> Can anybody confirm this?
>

 

[Guest]

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You missed the colonists

As they now have a combat strength of order of magnitude of other types the losses are of the same order of magnitude. As there
are most of the time many millions of XTal colonists and much less troops and crew you automatically gets a lot of prisoners
after killing all their troops,

GFM GToeroe

"Sparrow" <e.kueper@gmx.net> schrieb im Newsbeitrag news:1112790008.245615.308870@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> So true ground combat strength is: Combat strength + Dark Force, e.g.
> Xtal crew has a 3 + 120 = 123!?
>
> That would mean Xtals have:
> - the second strongest crew
> - the third strongest troops
> - the sixst strongest HGs
>
> That explains a lot!
>
> Thanks to you and redherring!
>

 

[Guest]

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Did you not notice: Being evil pays in this game

.... Perhaps I should reconsider the dark force of my Shadow race...

Dark force does not apply against fighters or Assault units.. does it ?

Lordfire

"Sparrow" <e.kueper@gmx.net> wrote in message
news:1112787628.445982.74780@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> So the combat value is only half of the story!? A combat boost of about
> 1000% is quite a lot I dare to say.
>
> Just checked: Xtals have a Dark Power of 120, which is the second
> highest of all released races.
>

 

[Guest]

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Dark force only helps in personnel-personnel fights both for attacking and withstanding, what means the killed personnel of the
XTal's enemy is greater if a XTal is attacking and the XTal's losses are smaller when a XTal is being attacked.

GFM GToeroe

"Lordfire" <a@b.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag news:3birbhF6ksebdU1@uni-berlin.de...
> Did you not notice: Being evil pays in this game
>
> ... Perhaps I should reconsider the dark force of my Shadow race...
>
> Dark force does not apply against fighters or Assault units.. does it ?
>
> Lordfire
>
> "Sparrow" <e.kueper@gmx.net> wrote in message
> news:1112787628.445982.74780@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> > So the combat value is only half of the story!? A combat boost of about
> > 1000% is quite a lot I dare to say.
> >
> > Just checked: Xtals have a Dark Power of 120, which is the second
> > highest of all released races.
> >
>
>

 

[Guest]

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Mmhm..
Seems ok for The Shadow...

Either attack first or your troops need some protection (fighters / assault
units) to make it impossible for the minions to kill you with their dark
force attacks

Lordfire



"Gabor Törö" <gfm@gtoeroe.de> wrote in message
news:d35fk3$upa$05$1@news.t-online.com...
> Dark force only helps in personnel-personnel fights both for attacking and
> withstanding, what means the killed personnel of the
> XTal's enemy is greater if a XTal is attacking and the XTal's losses are
> smaller when a XTal is being attacked.
>
> GFM GToeroe
>
> "Lordfire" <a@b.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
> news:3birbhF6ksebdU1@uni-berlin.de...
>> Did you not notice: Being evil pays in this game
>>
>> ... Perhaps I should reconsider the dark force of my Shadow race...
>>
>> Dark force does not apply against fighters or Assault units.. does it ?
>>
>> Lordfire
>>
>> "Sparrow" <e.kueper@gmx.net> wrote in message
>> news:1112787628.445982.74780@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>> > So the combat value is only half of the story!? A combat boost of about
>> > 1000% is quite a lot I dare to say.
>> >
>> > Just checked: Xtals have a Dark Power of 120, which is the second
>> > highest of all released races.
>> >
>>
>>
>

 

[icon]

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Do not underestimate the power of the Dark side...

Lordfire wrote:
> Mmhm..
> Seems ok for The Shadow...
>
> Either attack first or your troops need some protection (fighters / assault
> units) to make it impossible for the minions to kill you with their dark
> force attacks
>
> Lordfire
>
>
>
> "Gabor Törö" <gfm@gtoeroe.de> wrote in message
> news:d35fk3$upa$05$1@news.t-online.com...
>
>>Dark force only helps in personnel-personnel fights both for attacking and
>>withstanding, what means the killed personnel of the
>>XTal's enemy is greater if a XTal is attacking and the XTal's losses are
>>smaller when a XTal is being attacked.
>>
>>GFM GToeroe
>>
>>"Lordfire" <a@b.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
>>news:3birbhF6ksebdU1@uni-berlin.de...
>>
>>>Did you not notice: Being evil pays in this game
>>>
>>>... Perhaps I should reconsider the dark force of my Shadow race...
>>>
>>>Dark force does not apply against fighters or Assault units.. does it ?
>>>
>>>Lordfire
>>>
>>>"Sparrow" <e.kueper@gmx.net> wrote in message
>>>news:1112787628.445982.74780@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>>>
>>>>So the combat value is only half of the story!? A combat boost of about
>>>>1000% is quite a lot I dare to say.
>>>>
>>>>Just checked: Xtals have a Dark Power of 120, which is the second
>>>>highest of all released races.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>
>

 

[Guest]

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possible current anomalies of the Tribes, that means what work although it should not and what doesn't work although it should.

Thanks in advance.

GFM GToeroe

"Icon" <icon@the.edge.of.the.net> schrieb im Newsbeitrag news:d3884g$dbu$1@austar-news.austar.net.au...
> Do not underestimate the power of the Dark side...
>
> Lordfire wrote:
> > Mmhm..
> > Seems ok for The Shadow...
> >
> > Either attack first or your troops need some protection (fighters / assault
> > units) to make it impossible for the minions to kill you with their dark
> > force attacks
> >
> > Lordfire
> >
> >
> >
> > "Gabor Törö" <gfm@gtoeroe.de> wrote in message
> > news:d35fk3$upa$05$1@news.t-online.com...
> >
> >>Dark force only helps in personnel-personnel fights both for attacking and
> >>withstanding, what means the killed personnel of the
> >>XTal's enemy is greater if a XTal is attacking and the XTal's losses are
> >>smaller when a XTal is being attacked.
> >>
> >>GFM GToeroe
> >>
> >>"Lordfire" <a@b.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
> >>news:3birbhF6ksebdU1@uni-berlin.de...
> >>
> >>>Did you not notice: Being evil pays in this game
> >>>
> >>>... Perhaps I should reconsider the dark force of my Shadow race...
> >>>
> >>>Dark force does not apply against fighters or Assault units.. does it ?
> >>>
> >>>Lordfire
> >>>
> >>>"Sparrow" <e.kueper@gmx.net> wrote in message
> >>>news:1112787628.445982.74780@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> >>>
> >>>>So the combat value is only half of the story!? A combat boost of about
> >>>>1000% is quite a lot I dare to say.
> >>>>
> >>>>Just checked: Xtals have a Dark Power of 120, which is the second
> >>>>highest of all released races.
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >
> >

 

[Guest]

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"Gabor Törö" <gfm@gtoeroe.de> schrieb im Newsbeitrag news:d38ter$60i$00$1@news.t-online.com...
> possible current anomalies of the Tribes, that means what work although it should not and what doesn't work although it should.
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> GFM GToeroe
>
> "Icon" <icon@the.edge.of.the.net> schrieb im Newsbeitrag news:d3884g$dbu$1@austar-news.austar.net.au...
> > Do not underestimate the power of the Dark side...
> >
> > Lordfire wrote:
> > > Mmhm..
> > > Seems ok for The Shadow...
> > >
> > > Either attack first or your troops need some protection (fighters / assault
> > > units) to make it impossible for the minions to kill you with their dark
> > > force attacks
> > >
> > > Lordfire
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > "Gabor Törö" <gfm@gtoeroe.de> wrote in message
> > > news:d35fk3$upa$05$1@news.t-online.com...
> > >
> > >>Dark force only helps in personnel-personnel fights both for attacking and
> > >>withstanding, what means the killed personnel of the
> > >>XTal's enemy is greater if a XTal is attacking and the XTal's losses are
> > >>smaller when a XTal is being attacked.
> > >>
> > >>GFM GToeroe
> > >>
> > >>"Lordfire" <a@b.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
> > >>news:3birbhF6ksebdU1@uni-berlin.de...
> > >>
> > >>>Did you not notice: Being evil pays in this game
> > >>>
> > >>>... Perhaps I should reconsider the dark force of my Shadow race...
> > >>>
> > >>>Dark force does not apply against fighters or Assault units.. does it ?
> > >>>
> > >>>Lordfire
> > >>>
> > >>>"Sparrow" <e.kueper@gmx.net> wrote in message
> > >>>news:1112787628.445982.74780@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> > >>>
> > >>>>So the combat value is only half of the story!? A combat boost of about
> > >>>>1000% is quite a lot I dare to say.
> > >>>>
> > >>>>Just checked: Xtals have a Dark Power of 120, which is the second
> > >>>>highest of all released races.
> > >>>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >
> > >
>

 

[icon]

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And that is sooooo sweet when your reb friend comes and drops a bucket
load of Xtal prisoners off to your stormer base....
instant income!

Gabor Törö wrote:
> You missed the colonists
>
> As they now have a combat strength of order of magnitude of other types the losses are of the same order of magnitude. As there
> are most of the time many millions of XTal colonists and much less troops and crew you automatically gets a lot of prisoners
> after killing all their troops,
>
> GFM GToeroe
>
> "Sparrow" <e.kueper@gmx.net> schrieb im Newsbeitrag news:1112790008.245615.308870@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>
>>So true ground combat strength is: Combat strength + Dark Force, e.g.
>>Xtal crew has a 3 + 120 = 123!?
>>
>>That would mean Xtals have:
>>- the second strongest crew
>>- the third strongest troops
>>- the sixst strongest HGs
>>
>>That explains a lot!
>>
>>Thanks to you and redherring!
>>
>
>