Why do you want those cases. Almost all cases can take some kind of water cooling it just depends how big.
The 2 cases you list are for people that are putting 360 radiators on both their cpu and GPU. The larger case you can put in 3 and even 4 radiators if you want.
If you like lian li and want a much cheaper case that can still take even a 360 radiator and is large enough for the largest 4090 look at lian li 216. It is also wide enough to take pretty much any air cooler on the market.
You can get the one without RGB fans for about $100.