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Upgraded PSU to run the awesome card and Top of the line SSD.
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant
CPU: Intel Core i7-4790 3.6GHz Quad-Core Processor ($277.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z97X-GAMING 7 ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($152.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 32GB (4 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($119.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 850 EVO-Series 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($77.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($45.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Video Card: Zotac GeForce GTX 980 Ti 6GB AMP! Video Card ($639.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Power Supply: SeaSonic 650W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($69.99 @ Newegg)
Other: Ze Case ($65.99)
Total: $1450.91
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
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PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant
CPU: Intel Core i7-4790 3.6GHz Quad-Core Processor ($277.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z97X-GAMING 7 ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($152.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 32GB (4 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($119.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 850 EVO-Series 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($77.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($45.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Video Card: Zotac GeForce GTX 980 Ti 6GB AMP! Video Card ($639.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Power Supply: SeaSonic 650W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($69.99 @ Newegg)
Other: Ze Case ($65.99)
Total: $1450.91
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
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1. Lose the CX series PSU .... the C has come to stand for "Crappy Capacitors". Seasonic S12 or M12 620, EVGA B2 or G2, XFX XTR series will serve better.
2. Id have a k series processor in there.....
3. See no reason for 4 x 8GB on 1150.... 2 x *GB at say 2133 CAS 9 would serve better for a gaming box. I could see if you had rendering / workstations apps
4. I'd upgrade to the Seagate SSHD which is more than 50% faster
http://pcpartpicker.com/part/seagate-internal-hard-drive-st1000dx001
2. Id have a k series processor in there.....
3. See no reason for 4 x 8GB on 1150.... 2 x *GB at say 2133 CAS 9 would serve better for a gaming box. I could see if you had rendering / workstations apps
4. I'd upgrade to the Seagate SSHD which is more than 50% faster
http://pcpartpicker.com/part/seagate-internal-hard-drive-st1000dx001
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The k series is used for overclocking, right? Is that worth it because those are $100s more expensive.
This build is a video editing/gaming. Thanks.
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Actually, they are the top for lowest failure rate. This claim is not supported by actual factual data.....here's real life consumer drives in consumer systems that failed between 6 - 12 months of operation
http://www.hardware.fr/articles/927-2/cartes-meres.html
That says 0.69% of Seagate drives failed in the last 6 months and 0.86% of Seagate drives failed in the 6 months before that.
Top 5 worse reliability
This is for the previous period
http://www.hardware.fr/articles/920-6/disques-durs.html
Now if you gonna come back with the dubious backblaze study, I wouldn't put much faith in an outfit that puts consumer drives in a server environment. We're not building servers here... there's a feature in consumer drives called head parking that protects the drive from damage due to vibration say when someone bumps against their desk. This is a good thing for consumer drives.
In a server environment, build on a sold concrete floor w/ rigid rack support, vibration is a non-issue. Server drives therefore are not equipped with this feature. Consumer drives are rated for between 250 and 500k parking cycles which is more than they will ever see. When you use a consumer drive in a server environment, it's this protection feature that does them in.... you could burn up those cycles in a matter of months.
Now it's a simple enough thing to buy a drive w/o head parking .... the only difference between the server drive and a consumer drive is oft the firmware ... but just like workstation cards are much the same as gaming cards except for the drivers, you are going to pay more $$ for the server version of the same drive. Backblaze apparently feels that it's better to buy 3 consumer drives for $50 each than one $175 server drive.
Ya can't put the wrong grade oil in ya car and then blame say Castrol because ya engine experienced excessive wear. Buy the correct product for the application
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It's closer to $50
http://pcpartpicker.com/part/intel-cpu-bx80646i74790k
You will see significant benefits from overclocking, especially for the video editing
Also looking again, is there any particular feature of the Gaming 7 that drew you ?
The gaming 5 , either Gigabyte's ($128) or MSI's ($127) would be a better choice and get you back half that money .... or enough to by a CPU Cooler like the Hyper 212.
http://pcpartpicker.com/part/msi-motherboard-z97gaming5
http://pcpartpicker.com/part/gigabyte-motherboard-gaz97xgaming5
The ranking is based on setting the board which recorded the highest combined fps in the gaming tests at 100% and ranking the others by fps as a % of the fastest one.
http://www.overclock3d.net/reviews/cpu_mainboard/msi_z97_gaming_6_review/10
MoBo % of Leader
MSI Z97 Gaming 9 - 100.00%
MSI Z97 Gaming 5 - 99.86%
MSI Z97A Gaming 6 - 98.96%
Asus Z97 TUF Sabranco - 96.13%
Gigabyte Z97X Gaming 5 - 95.00%
Gigabyte Z97X SOC Force - 94.95%
Asus Z97 Maximus VII Hero - 93.67%
Asus Z97 Maximus VII Formula - 93.58%
Asus Z97 Maximus VII Gene - 91.69%
Asus Z97-A - 89.57%
MSI Z97 Mpower MAX AC - 88.20%
MSI Z97S Krait SLI - 71.01%
Another ranking appears below .... based upon which boards might be best avoided. The % listed are the percent of board owners who posted highly negative (1 egg) user reviews.
Asus Z97 TUF Sabranco - 3% http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813132414
MSI Z97 Mpower MAX AC - 4% http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130765
MSI Z97 Gaming 5 - 10% http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130770
Asus Z97 Maximus VII Gene - 11% http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813132136
MSI Z97A Gaming 6 - 12% http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128709
Gigabyte Z97X Gaming 5 - 14% http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128709
MSI Z97S Krait SLI 19% http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130801
Asus Z97 Maximus VII Hero - 19% http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813132125
Asus Z97 Maximus VII Formula - 26% http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813132247
Asus Z97-A - 27% http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813132118
MSI Z97 Gaming 9 - 28% http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130808
Gigabyte Z97X SOC Force - 29% http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128704
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I don't have any Seagate HDs left, those boxes have been given away and haven't kept track of them .... wait... still have a couple I use on the docking station.... have an IDE one here that makes a nice desk paperweight
Been using the SSHDs for about 4 years. Have 7 desktop SSHDs, 3 more in lappies.... can't guess how many are out there in user builds.
Been using the SSHDs for about 4 years. Have 7 desktop SSHDs, 3 more in lappies.... can't guess how many are out there in user builds.
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MSI has the better performance
MSI has better BIOS
MSI has better user reviews
In this price range ..... MSI > Gigabyte > Asus > Asrock
MSI has better BIOS
MSI has better user reviews
In this price range ..... MSI > Gigabyte > Asus > Asrock
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I have had 2 bad boards workstation boards from Asus on the same build. Tho you would think that QC would have caught a board that was bent like a banana and was 3/4" from fitting thru the I/O opening in the case. But 2 is hardly statistically significant.
165 MSI Owner reviews, 11% 1 eggers - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130770
70 Gigabyte Owner reviews, 14% 1 eggers - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128709
282 Asus Owner reviews, 27% 1 eggers - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813132118
I have had 2 bad boards workstation boards from Asus on the same build. Tho you would think that QC would have caught a board that was bent like a banana and was 3/4" from fitting thru the I/O opening in the case. On my last personal build, after acknowledging the problem and promising a fix publicly (still on their forums), they telephone support says they have no knowledge of the problem. They keep offering to give me another RMA but I am tired of rebuilding the same build removing and replacing the CPU and MoBo water blocks and redoing all the rigid tubing.
But 2 is hardly statistically significant, so I can't base my selection on what could easily be a aberration
If there's a sample size of less than 25, it's very difficult to have a great level of confidence. At 50, we can start to be reasonably confident and at 100, it's time to take the numbers seriously. Look at the HD reviews and ya see the same thing .... "I had two dead HDs from this outfit will never buy again". Looking over at storagereview.com, you can see that over all time, Seagate has the very most reliable drive and the very worst reliable drive in the study. So if ya bought 2 of the 1st one, you were likely happy, if ya bought the 2nd, probably not so much. Neither experience is statistically significant.
But let's look at our sample size here:
165 MSI Owner reviews, 11% 1 eggers - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130770
70 Gigabyte Owner reviews, 14% 1 eggers - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128709
282 Asus Owner reviews, 27% 1 eggers - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813132118
I don't know when your son had his issues but one of the most puzzling things for me is why folks stay "fans" of certain brands year in year out based upon what is often age old experiences. Just like sports teams, manufacturers have rise in fall in earnings and quality of products. Any experience I had in 2012 has no relevance to what is happening today. Things don't stay the same ... AMD was competitive 3 years ago, today not so.
So let's look at some statistically reliable numbers. Here's the average failure rate (warranty returns between 6 and 12 months of ownership) for last two 6 month periods
Asrock = 2.800%
Asus = 2.645%
Gigabyte = 2.735%
MSI = 2.735%
What is most remarkable here is just how close the numbers are with just a variance a best of 27 boards failing per 1,000 and a worst case of 28 per 1,000. Of more important note is the variance in how they finished.
In the previous 6 months it was Giga - MSI - Asus - Asrock, in the more recent one it was Asus - Asrock - MSI - Gigabyte. Gigabyte went from 1st to last.
In short, as someone who does math for a living, I don't see a value in making buying decisions based upon personal experiences or hearsay when statistically relevant data is at everyone's fingertips.
A bit of caution has to be used however in reading user reviews and statistics:
1. Some MoBos get a lot of returns for bent pins and everyone asks for an RMA beginning with the works "It was this way when i took it out of the box". Well if it was, then why the heck did you go ahead and install the CPU. I'm always suspect of those.
2. Peeps who but $400 motherboards are a bit more picky than those who buy $80 motherboards, so it's hard to compare user satisfaction levels between boards in different price rages.
3. Expect a higher return rate for a new board design than an established model line. I look for 2.5% max for an established line but 5% on a new design wouldn't scare me away if it had a performance gain or consistently good user reviews.
165 MSI Owner reviews, 11% 1 eggers - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130770
70 Gigabyte Owner reviews, 14% 1 eggers - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128709
282 Asus Owner reviews, 27% 1 eggers - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813132118
I have had 2 bad boards workstation boards from Asus on the same build. Tho you would think that QC would have caught a board that was bent like a banana and was 3/4" from fitting thru the I/O opening in the case. On my last personal build, after acknowledging the problem and promising a fix publicly (still on their forums), they telephone support says they have no knowledge of the problem. They keep offering to give me another RMA but I am tired of rebuilding the same build removing and replacing the CPU and MoBo water blocks and redoing all the rigid tubing.
But 2 is hardly statistically significant, so I can't base my selection on what could easily be a aberration
If there's a sample size of less than 25, it's very difficult to have a great level of confidence. At 50, we can start to be reasonably confident and at 100, it's time to take the numbers seriously. Look at the HD reviews and ya see the same thing .... "I had two dead HDs from this outfit will never buy again". Looking over at storagereview.com, you can see that over all time, Seagate has the very most reliable drive and the very worst reliable drive in the study. So if ya bought 2 of the 1st one, you were likely happy, if ya bought the 2nd, probably not so much. Neither experience is statistically significant.
But let's look at our sample size here:
165 MSI Owner reviews, 11% 1 eggers - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130770
70 Gigabyte Owner reviews, 14% 1 eggers - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128709
282 Asus Owner reviews, 27% 1 eggers - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813132118
I don't know when your son had his issues but one of the most puzzling things for me is why folks stay "fans" of certain brands year in year out based upon what is often age old experiences. Just like sports teams, manufacturers have rise in fall in earnings and quality of products. Any experience I had in 2012 has no relevance to what is happening today. Things don't stay the same ... AMD was competitive 3 years ago, today not so.
So let's look at some statistically reliable numbers. Here's the average failure rate (warranty returns between 6 and 12 months of ownership) for last two 6 month periods
Asrock = 2.800%
Asus = 2.645%
Gigabyte = 2.735%
MSI = 2.735%
What is most remarkable here is just how close the numbers are with just a variance a best of 27 boards failing per 1,000 and a worst case of 28 per 1,000. Of more important note is the variance in how they finished.
In the previous 6 months it was Giga - MSI - Asus - Asrock, in the more recent one it was Asus - Asrock - MSI - Gigabyte. Gigabyte went from 1st to last.
In short, as someone who does math for a living, I don't see a value in making buying decisions based upon personal experiences or hearsay when statistically relevant data is at everyone's fingertips.
A bit of caution has to be used however in reading user reviews and statistics:
1. Some MoBos get a lot of returns for bent pins and everyone asks for an RMA beginning with the works "It was this way when i took it out of the box". Well if it was, then why the heck did you go ahead and install the CPU. I'm always suspect of those.
2. Peeps who but $400 motherboards are a bit more picky than those who buy $80 motherboards, so it's hard to compare user satisfaction levels between boards in different price rages.
3. Expect a higher return rate for a new board design than an established model line. I look for 2.5% max for an established line but 5% on a new design wouldn't scare me away if it had a performance gain or consistently good user reviews.
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