What should i get for a PC gaming?

[David Miguel]

Hi guys, I am trying to build up a nice gaming computer, but i dont know exacly what to get yet i also dont know wich POWER suply to get as well, with how many watt?, i have some Components in mind:

CPU : intel core i7 4770 \ i5 4430

GPU:MSI geforce GTX 770 2GB Twin Frozer

Memory : Crucial Ballistix Sport 8GB ( 2x4GB) DD3 - 1600

MotherBoard : ASRock H87M Pro4 Micro


I apreciat any recomendation or any sugggestion that i can change, as in motherboard, or cheaper memory ram

budget : 700-800€ for all the components.

Thank you in advance

 

[Cryoburn101]

I suggest using uk.pcpartpicker.com .
It has a easy to use catalog of the parts you will need, and it also has a estimated wattage which is very helpful.
I'd recommend atleast a 600w PSU, for upgrade options and all. Best way to calculate the recommended wattage though is to add the wattage of each component, then add 100watts.

Here is a quick build I made -
http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/p/9cq76h

I did NOT include a OS, add that if you need to. I also didn't include and SSD, but a simple 128gb wouldn't be a costly add-on.
I noticed that you listed a mATX motherboard, do you want mATX form factor instead of ATX?

 

[David Miguel]

Hi tetsuya23, thanks for reply, the i7\i5 already comes with a cooler itself?, or not really?

sorry for my ignorance.

 

[David Miguel]

Cryoburn101, the motherboard i was planing to get is the ASRock H87M Pro4 Micro ATX LGA1150, i dont know if its good or not, i simply got " adviced " to get that one, since its 3.0, i dont really know whats better choice.

as in Power supply, i have this one in mind :

Seasonic 620W 80+ Bronze Certified Fully -Modular ATX, i just dont know if 620W is enough.

 

[Cryoburn101]

Cryoburn101, the motherboard i was planing to get is the ASRock H87M Pro4 Micro ATX LGA1150, i dont know if its good or not, i simply got " adviced " to get that one, since its 3.0, i dont really know whats better choice.

as in Power supply, i have this one in mind :

Seasonic 620W 80+ Bronze Certified Fully -Modular ATX, i just dont know if 620W is enough.

620w is enough for a full system with a graphics card. If you get one of the NEW Nvidia GPUs (such as the 970), you can run SLI (good option to keep in mind for future upgrading).

3.0 what? USB 3.0? The motherboard I've suggested also has USB 3.0... You would be hard pressed to find remotely recent motherboard that doesn't have USB 3.0 of some form.
Differences between that mobo and the one I've suggested is mine uses a newer chipset (97 vs 87), is able to overclock (z vs h), and has more upgrade options (atx is a larger size, and has more slots avaible compared to the smaller mATX size). H87m isn't a bad board, there is just better motherboards out there now.
If you want a smaller size, have you considered mITX?

 

[David Miguel]

Well, all i want is a nice board that would work good with these components, last time i did a computer was 7 years ago, and now there's alot of choices, wich motherboard would you suggest? the size of it, its inrelevant atm, also looking for some cool box, but as you mention, there are better boards, do you know of any that is not pricey and that it would do the trick?

the 3.0, well i heard motherboard have compatibility numbers, like, graphic 3.0 , board 3.0. ( im sorry if im wrong.)

 

[Cryoburn101]

Well, all i want is a nice board that would work good with these components, last time i did a computer was 7 years ago, and now there's alot of choices, wich motherboard would you suggest? the size of it, its inrelevant atm, also looking for some cool box, but as you mention, there are better boards, do you know of any that is not pricey and that it would do the trick?

the 3.0, well i heard motherboard have compatibility numbers, like, graphic 3.0 , board 3.0. ( im sorry if im wrong.)

Sorry for the delay...
That board will work with just about everything now and the near future. Lots of options. Here is a review of it. http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/mainstream-gaming-z97-motherboard,3824-2.html

A cheaper alternative is - http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/part/asrock-motherboard-h97pro4
Not as feature packed, but good for its value. Newer chipset than the H87, and more slots available.
When you say cool box do you mean a case? There are many, many options available. Such as the H440, Phantom 410, Corsair 230t, etc...

 

[David Miguel]

No Need to ask sorry for anything, i apreciat your time and information. its more than i could ever ask.
h87 is cool, i will get that if i find, thank you.

related to box, yep, i ment a case, i like all you sugested, but with some nice neon fan's, Corsair 230t looks epic.
Thanks very much for your support, i dont plan on running all games or future games on max resolution, im not that greedy i assume.
just well, i hope this setup allow's me to have at least a good performance in games.

at the moment, even a i2 processor, would be better to what i have at the moment, so i expect to notice alot difference.

 

[Cryoburn101]

No Need to ask sorry for anything, i apreciat your time and information. its more than i could ever ask.
h87 is cool, i will get that if i find, thank you.

related to box, yep, i ment a case, i like all you sugested, but with some nice neon fan's, Corsair 230t looks epic.
Thanks very much for your support, i dont plan on running all games or future games on max resolution, im not that greedy i assume.
just well, i hope this setup allow's me to have at least a good performance in games.

at the moment, even a i2 processor, would be better to what i have at the moment, so i expect to notice alot difference.

I'm here to help! I understand what you mean, I've been using a 7 year old mobile core duo with a GTX 9600m GS, 'bout time to get a new system.

GTX 770 is a good card. I understand your on a budget, but you should have a look at the GTX 970, its one of Nvidia's newest GPUs, great performance and highly efficient. Also check out - http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-graphics-card-review,3107.html
Its lasts months update, and a new one (updated for October to include nvidia's new gpus) will be out soon. The R9 290 has dropped in price dramatically, so has the R9 290x if you are interested in AMD's gpus at all. Again, the GTX770 is a solid card, and it will preform great (maybe not ultra on everything, but med-high). I just wanted to make sure you knew some other available options.

 

[David Miguel]

is AMD Radeon R9 290 better than GTX 770?, it is 4 GB memory actually, GTX 770 is 2gb if i am correct.


other thing, any 620W power supply will do the job? or i should look for any specific? ( if not i would get a cheaper one )

 

[Cryoburn101]

is AMD Radeon R9 290 better than GTX 770?, it is 4 GB memory actually, GTX 770 is 2gb if i am correct.


other thing, any 620W power supply will do the job? or i should look for any specific? ( if not i would get a cheaper one )

R9 290 is better than the GTX 770, and the 4gb vram will hold out longer compared to the 2gb the GTX 770 has.

620 watts is plenty for your system, enough so as its output goes down, it can still feed the system, but not so much its inefficient. So almost perfect for what you need.

Keep that power supply (the one from Seasonic), a power supply is not a component you want to skimp on. Lower quality/cheaper PSUs are more likely to fail, and have a nasty tendency to take the rest of the system with them. Higher quality PSUs aren't too much more (that seasonic is a example of a good psu), aren't as likely to fail, and have built in protections so if they fail, they will try to keep the rest of the system safe.

 

[David Miguel]

then i dont understand why the MSI GTX 770 costs 350€ http://www.fnac.pt/mp1094881/MSI-NVIDIA-GeForce-GTX-770-2GB
and the AMD radeon R9 290 cost 195€ http://www.fnac.pt/mp1100941/ASUS-PCI-E-A-AMD-Radeon-R9-290-4GB-GDDR5

Stupid question. does radeon also work on the above mentioned motherboards?

 

[Cryoburn101]

then i dont understand why the MSI GTX 770 costs 350€ http://www.fnac.pt/mp1094881/MSI-NVIDIA-GeForce-GTX-770-2GB
and the AMD radeon R9 290 cost 195€ http://www.fnac.pt/mp1100941/ASUS-PCI-E-A-AMD-Radeon-R9-290-4GB-GDDR5

Stupid question. does radeon also work on the above mentioned motherboards?

By no means a stupid question. Yes it will work fine with the motherboards listed.
There are a few reasons they are cheap at the moment. The R9 290 was basically AMD's high-end card without being ridiculously expensive for its performance, so a LOT of people bought it. But, Nvidia recently released their new GPUs, and they perform better, and costed about the same as the R9 290 (1-2 year old card by this point). So, AMD dropped the price of the GPU to maintain sales. The other reason is AMD is getting ready to send out their new high-end GPUs, so the price was lowered to get rid of the R9 290s in the market. So a perfect time to snatch one up. Great performance, better than the GTX 780 (the card above the GTX 770) in higher resolutions (and on par at 1080p).
The R9 290 isn't very efficient though, so make sure you have proper airflow through your case. The 230t is a great case for this, just make sure you have some fans and clean cable management. Also do NOT buy a reference R9 290, they were absolutely terrible..... *shudders* Here are some coolers I suggest-
http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/part/sapphire-video-card-1003622sr
http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/part/msi-video-card-912v308002
I personally recommend the Sapphire Tri-X (first one listed). It's large, but it has great cooling performance. The MSI is great too though, the difference is marginal (only 2-3 fps difference in even the most intensive games).

[EDIT] tl;dr version of why the R9 290 is cheaper - Its basically something that was already a great value now on clearance.

 

[David Miguel]

you would not advice me to buy the AMD radeon r9 290 i linked above?

i did enjoy the msi one but, it costs 589€ here, that is really expensive i cant afford that much for a graphic card, would you buy AMD readeon r9 290, or the GTX 770? if you had to choose one of those, or one graphic on that price range, 200-250€

thanks for the continuous support, just trying to make sure i make the best choice for what i can afford.

 

[Cryoburn101]

you would not advice me to buy the AMD radeon r9 290 i linked above?

i did enjoy the msi one but, it costs 589€ here, that is really expensive i cant afford that much for a graphic card, would you buy AMD readeon r9 290, or the GTX 770? if you had to choose one of those, or one graphic on that price range, 200-250€

thanks for the continuous support, just trying to make sure i make the best choice for what i can afford.

Sorry that link went straight over my head (It was late :/). Personally, I wouldn't recommend Asus's R9 290. For some reason their cooler doesn't preform as well as it usually does on other cards. There are a lot of rumors around why... The card will run substantially hotter compared to other R9 290s out on the market. If you don't mind your GPU getting hot (80-90 celsius) then its not an issue.

I don't know if fnac.pt is your preferred shopping site, but I found a cheaper Tri-X available-
http://www.fnac.pt/mp1216042/Sapphire-Technology-Placa-grafica-R9-290-Tri-X-OC-4GB-GDDR5-PCI-Express
I'd recommend picking this up as it will run cooler and a tiny bit faster.

 

[David Miguel]

Thank you for all your help, i dont have any further question.

you've been great. Apreciat it =)

 

[Cryoburn101]

Thank you for all your help, i dont have any further question.

you've been great. Apreciat it =)

Mission accomplished! Glad to help. If you come up with any more questions feel free to ask, and enjoy the new computer!