What should I upgrade

[orelabergelveg]

I bought fifa 19 today and my pc is barely running the game , same goes for gta v ..
Rainmeter says that ram usage is 94% when I play fifa 19..
CPU ID says cpu temperatures are 70-73 Celsius
The boot up became slow , when the pc was new it was really fast .
So I think it’s about time to upgrade , what changes should I make?

pc stats are :
Gpu - GeForce GTX 660 TI
CPU - intel 4570 3.4 ghz
Mobo - MSI HP1M-P33
Power supply - 650w
Ram - 2X4GB
OS - windows 7 ultimate

 

[jay.wooster]

Temp is fine under load. Depends on your budget mate but a couple of quick questions; (The CPU is an i5-4570 and RAM is DDR3 for others reading)

Can you give more jnfo on RAM Speed ? It is DDR3 but we need Mhz please bud.

My first thought is GPU, that is VERY old !!! You do surpass the minimum specs but i imagine it would be quite slow...

Minimum Requirements
OS: Windows 7/8.1/10 - 64-Bit
CPU: Core i3-2100 @ 3.1GHz or AMD Phenom II X4 965 @ 3.4 GHz
RAM: 8 GB
DISC DRIVE: DVD ROM drive required for installation only
HARD DRIVE: At least 50 GB of free space
VIDEO: NVIDIA GTX 460 1GB or AMD Radeon R7 260
DirectX: DirectX 11 compatible (7 required for DirectX 11)

Do you have information on CPU & GPU usage aswell mate ? Can try HWInfo if you dont and post results here

 

[feelinfroggy777]

I would look at a 580/1060. They have very similar performance, but I have seen good prices for the 580 recently. Your CPU is still decent. Any modern CPU would require new motherboard and RAM which would get expensive.

 

[jojesa]

I played with the RX 570 and it handle the game beautifully, so with the i5 4570... I would go with the RX 580.

 

[jay.wooster]

In CPU-ID go to the SPD tab and let us know what is in the first three boxes on the left for each Slot (May be 4 or 2 of them)

This will give us the RAM Speed

What monitor are you playing on ? 1080p 60 Hz ?

Heres some good info on choices of things you can upgrade with that motherboard (the bench numbers will tell you how good it is, higher % the better)

https://www.userbenchmark.com/System/MSI-H81M-P33-MS-7817/38

 

[SgtScream]

Upgrade your ram to 16gb and purchase a gtx 1060 6gb. They are now making the 1060 6gb with GDDR5x memory which is faster than anything else in it's class/price range.

 

[King_V]

Upgrade your ram to 16gb and purchase a gtx 1060 6gb. They are now making the 1060 6gb with GDDR5x memory which is faster than anything else in it's class/price range.

Is 8GB really insufficient for the games OP is playing?


EDIT: hmm, maybe, missed the 94% mention initially.


Maybe make sure there's no other unnecessary processes running in the background hogging resources, and do a full virus/malware sweep.

 

[SgtScream]

He definitely needs a memory upgrade for games. 8gb does not "cut the mustard anymore". I had this other system and it was doing the same exact thing he was talking about. Upgraded my memory and it went away. Windows 10 implemented something called "SuperFetch" where it detects you have a slow hard disk drive so It tries to cache everything in the system memory. That is fine, but you need to have enough physical memory.

 

[King_V]

Hmm, didn't know that bit. Would disabling SuperFetch (assuming that it can be disabled) work as a short term solution?

 

[FatheredPuma81]

4570 should be enough for most games especially GTA 5. Would suggest getting a 1050 Ti/RX 570/GTX 970 and 2 more sticks of RAM for 16GB. Without it you might run into issues. Anything beyond that would likely see you having a CPU bottleneck and would result in you having to upgrade that as well.

Edit: Would also recommend grabbing a 60GB SSD to dramatically improve the overall speed of your computer.

Should run you between $160 and $200.

 

[SgtScream]

Hmm, didn't know that bit. Would disabling SuperFetch (assuming that it can be disabled) work as a short term solution?

It didn't for me, but you can try it.

 

[orelabergelveg]

Temp is fine under load. Depends on your budget mate but a couple of quick questions; (The CPU is an i5-4570 and RAM is DDR3 for others reading)

Can you give more jnfo on RAM Speed ? It is DDR3 but we need Mhz please bud.

My first thought is GPU, that is VERY old !!! You do surpass the minimum specs but i imagine it would be quite slow...

Minimum Requirements
OS: Windows 7/8.1/10 - 64-Bit
CPU: Core i3-2100 @ 3.1GHz or AMD Phenom II X4 965 @ 3.4 GHz
RAM: 8 GB
DISC DRIVE: DVD ROM drive required for installation only
HARD DRIVE: At least 50 GB of free space
VIDEO: NVIDIA GTX 460 1GB or AMD Radeon R7 260
DirectX: DirectX 11 compatible (7 required for DirectX 11)

Do you have information on CPU & GPU usage aswell mate ? Can try HWInfo if you dont and post results here

my bad for writing 4570 3.4 , its 4670 3.4 ...
and about ram speeds - the type is ddr-1600
and it says on each 4gb category - memory speed - 800 mhz.

 

[orelabergelveg]

I would look at a 580/1060. They have very similar performance, but I have seen good prices for the 580 recently. Your CPU is still decent. Any modern CPU would require new motherboard and RAM which would get expensive.

then what do you recommend upgrading ? I thought of upgrading gpu to 1060 and ram to 16 gb but ddr3 not 4 ..

 

[orelabergelveg]

In CPU-ID go to the SPD tab and let us know what is in the first three boxes on the left for each Slot (May be 4 or 2 of them)

This will give us the RAM Speed

What monitor are you playing on ? 1080p 60 Hz ?

Heres some good info on choices of things you can upgrade with that motherboard (the bench numbers will tell you how good it is, higher % the better)

https://www.userbenchmark.com/System/MSI-H81M-P33-MS-7817/38

I have 2 slots and on each one it says 4096mbs and 800mhz
regarding monitor , its Dell - E2216H 1920 x 1080 @ 60 Hz ..

 

[orelabergelveg]

4570 should be enough for most games especially GTA 5. Would suggest getting a 1050 Ti/RX 570/GTX 970 and 2 more sticks of RAM for 16GB. Without it you might run into issues. Anything beyond that would likely see you having a CPU bottleneck and would result in you having to upgrade that as well.

Edit: Would also recommend grabbing a 60GB SSD to dramatically improve the overall speed of your computer.

Should run you between $160 and $200.

I have only 2 slots in my mobo ..
did you mean that I should get another 2X4GB and add them?
and I thought of upgrading to 1060 6gb , would it cause a bottleneck?
regarding the 60gb ssd , should I install windows on it?

 

[orelabergelveg]

Upgrade your ram to 16gb and purchase a gtx 1060 6gb. They are now making the 1060 6gb with GDDR5x memory which is faster than anything else in it's class/price range.

should I upgrade it to ddr4 ( then ill need to change mobo) or stay with ddr3 and buy 2X8 ?

 

[orelabergelveg]

In CPU-ID go to the SPD tab and let us know what is in the first three boxes on the left for each Slot (May be 4 or 2 of them)

This will give us the RAM Speed

What monitor are you playing on ? 1080p 60 Hz ?

Heres some good info on choices of things you can upgrade with that motherboard (the bench numbers will tell you how good it is, higher % the better)

https://www.userbenchmark.com/System/MSI-H81M-P33-MS-7817/38

UserBenchmarks: Game 38%, Desk 48%, Work 32%
CPU: Intel Core i5-4670 - 68.9%
GPU: Nvidia GTX 660 Ti - 38.4%
HDD: WD Blue 1TB (2012) - 27%
RAM: Crucial CT51264BA160BJ.C8F 2x4GB - 56.6%
MBD: MSI H81M-P33 (MS-7817)
why my hdd got such a low bench ?
Ok so things Im going to upgrade - GPU (1060 probably) , ram - 2X8GB and might add an ssd and change my windows 7 to 10.

 

[feelinfroggy777]

Upgrade your ram to 16gb and purchase a gtx 1060 6gb. They are now making the 1060 6gb with GDDR5x memory which is faster than anything else in it's class/price range.

should I upgrade it to ddr4 ( then ill need to change mobo) or stay with ddr3 and buy 2X8 ?

If you want DDR4 RAM, you will need a new CPU, Mobo, and RAM. That will get expensive. I would go with a 580/1060 (580's come with 3 games right now) and a 2x8grb kit of DDR3 RAM.

 

[orelabergelveg]

Upgrade your ram to 16gb and purchase a gtx 1060 6gb. They are now making the 1060 6gb with GDDR5x memory which is faster than anything else in it's class/price range.

should I upgrade it to ddr4 ( then ill need to change mobo) or stay with ddr3 and buy 2X8 ?

If you want DDR4 RAM, you will need a new CPU, Mobo, and RAM. That will get expensive. I would go with a 580/1060 (580's come with 3 games right now) and a 2x8grb kit of DDR3 RAM.

and moving the system to an ssd?
when I did the test on userbenchmark.com it said that my hdd bench is 27%

 

[jay.wooster]

If your going to be buying RAM mate i implore you to upgrade to DDR4, with a capable Motherboard mate, or move to an AMD Motherboard and CPU.

Trying to keep it very inexpensive,can $370 fit in your budget for MB, CPU and RAM. Something like this at Newegg would give you a good base upgrade and if you had the budget for a 1060 as well she would chuff along nicely...

https://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboBundleDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.3845904

 

[orelabergelveg]

If your going to be buying RAM mate i implore you to upgrade to DDR4, with a capable Motherboard mate, or move to an AMD Motherboard and CPU.

Trying to keep it very inexpensive,can $370 fit in your budget for MB, CPU and RAM. Something like this at Newegg would give you a good base upgrade and if you had the budget for a 1060 as well she would chuff along nicely...

https://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboBundleDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.3845904

if ill buy a ddr4 ram ill have to change the entire pc ...
2X8gb ddr 3 ram + i5 4670 + GTX 1060 6gb oc + 240gb ssd wont suffice?
also , do you recommend buying an ssd and installing windows on it ?

 

[jay.wooster]

That link i supplied is "the whole pc" being the Motherboard, Processor and DDR4 RAM for $370 and a significant upgrade that will last you a long time. It does not include the SSD or the GPU but 16GB of DDR3 RAM is just throwing bad money after good for mine bud but it is your call. You could drop the SSD to 128GB for your Windows Install and 1 game and leave the rest on your HDD and perhaps drop to a 1050ti which will be fine for 1080p 60Hz bud.

 

[orelabergelveg]

That link i supplied is "the whole pc" being the Motherboard, Processor and DDR4 RAM for $370 and a significant upgrade that will last you a long time. It does not include the SSD or the GPU but 16GB of DDR3 RAM is just throwing bad money after good for mine bud but it is your call. You could drop the SSD to 128GB for your Windows Install and 1 game and leave the rest on your HDD and perhaps drop to a 1050ti which will be fine for 1080p 60Hz bud.

I cant buy it cause I dont live in the us ..
In my country its more expensive..
but I can buy an ddr4 ram and ddr4 mobo , is there any ddr4 mobo that supports my cpu? ( i5 4670)

 

[jay.wooster]

I beleive that CPU only works with DDR3 RAM mate, your stuck at every corner

 

[jojesa]

UserBenchmarks: Game 38%, Desk 48%, Work 32%
CPU: Intel Core i5-4670 - 68.9%
GPU: Nvidia GTX 660 Ti - 38.4%
HDD: WD Blue 1TB (2012) - 27%
RAM: Crucial CT51264BA160BJ.C8F 2x4GB - 56.6%
MBD: MSI H81M-P33 (MS-7817)
why my hdd got such a low bench ?
Ok so things Im going to upgrade - GPU (1060 probably) , ram - 2X8GB and might add an ssd and change my windows 7 to 10.

That benchmark is comparing your 7 year old hardware against top of the line hardware.

For the games you play upgrading to a GTX 1060 or RX 580 GPU and 8GB of RAM will improve dramatically.
Since your 6 year old HDD could be on its last leg you could go with a SSD, which will improve boot-up time and apps loading speed. The SSD should be at least 120GB or it will fill-up by the time you finish installing apps.
It might not be worth spending too much on that system since in a year or two you might be in the same predicament.
If you have the Windows 7 code you could use it to activate Windows after installing it.
Even if the i5-4670 is a bottleneck at the moment, when you upgrade to a faster CPU you won't need to replace the GPU again.

Do you have a budget in mind?