What socket ishould i use?

mildgamer001 · Aug 23, 2011

I'm considering making an "everyday" computer to sell for spome extra cash to make my gaming rig. I will be using either an intel pentium, or amd E or AthlonII x2 CPU, what socket and motherboard do i need for each? im trying to get this somewhat cheap but still decent quality (so i can advertise non crappy quality) to sell for like 50 bucks more than i pay for it just for some extra cash. please help, and even if it comes out to be a little bit over what someone could buy from a factory for similar specs lots of people want to have something they know will be reliable and will pay a little extra. (I'll also remember not to advertise that im 14 and this may or may not be my first build even tho i have made extencive research on the subject lol) I'll greatly appreciate any extra advice as well, ill also have ot get a buyer before i make the thing so i wont be stuc with a computer i dont need that i just spent a couple hundred bucks on. also i would like it to be under 200-300 $ to build if possible, its not a gaming rig.

jaquith · Aug 23, 2011

I hobby build on the weekends for paying 'customers,' and there's no way I would build on 'spec' {without a buyer} and hope someone will buy it. You're going to get stuck with expensive inventory. You'll make more money cutting folks grass or doing odd jobs.

You 'can' instead post your 'computer building skills' on something like 'Craig's List' or similar sites for your area. See what happens.

Good Luck!

IntelEnthusiast · Aug 23, 2011

Our current Intel® Pentium® processors (G620, G620T, G622, g840 and G850) are using socket 1155 that is used on our "6" series chipset (H61, H67, B65, Q65, Q67, P67 and Z68). So if you are looking for a low cost system one of these processor with a board using the H61 or H67 chipset would most likely be the best option for you in a general purpose system.

Christian Wood
Intel Enthusiast Team

mildgamer001 · Aug 23, 2011

well thats what i was saying, i wouldnt build one until i had someone looking to buy it first, then i would be stuck with ac omputer that i wouldnt use and that may or may not sell, and craigs list? i live in middle of nowhere,(i already mow lawns it took all summer to get a 300$ laptop :/ so that dotn work well) you also have to pay for craigs list, (i think) and i would advertise the specs it shoudl have after building as well or modify to any customer i may get wants, as long as its not some high end i cant afford to buy the oarst for upfront then i could do it that way if im right. (and if i would tryst myself with the super expencive rig i am hoping to build then i think ive dione enough research to do something less high end[i dont trust myself with much honestly])

mildgamer001 · Aug 23, 2011

IntelEnthusiast :

thanks you, i was wondering what socket, chipset, and model numevrs for the pentiums were. also if you could point ou tto me which model pentiums are currently selling the best that woul dbe nice as well :]

jaquith · Aug 23, 2011

i5-2500K then i7-2600K are the best sellers.

From purely a business perspective it really depends upon the economics of 'your' area. My area big build, but remote places who knows.

mildgamer001 · Aug 23, 2011

well i was going to be advert/trying to sell in a mid sized town about half hour away where there should be someone at least passing through that may see it. also i mean which pentium models sell the best, but i think ill be doing an AMD athlon ii x2 build, i saw a dell with similar specs to what i was going to do for 800 bucks, i say BULL to that i think i could make similar rig for at LEAST a hundred less (and, its dell, i mean come on lol), that is if i can afford to buy the parts first, unless someone agrees to upfront pay but that is unlikely so im trying to find something for a cheaper build if i can get it desirable without breaking my (currently) non existant bank. (i have enought ime to save the money and reasearch parts and prices before i start advertising anything im not in that much of a rush but if someone buys and likes it then they might tell others, thatr means more buisness and more money hopefully).

jaquith · Aug 23, 2011

mildgamer001 · Aug 23, 2011

nunununu, no, lol its going to be an everyday check ur email do school and office work surf the internet computer not kill people and race cars in 1080p computer lol, im looking at maybe 200-300$ build, 250-350$ sell, i was just comparing similar specs to a dell which happened to be way over priced (i think).

mildgamer001 · Aug 23, 2011

also i think im doing an AMD athlon II x2 build, not sure if its overkill for what it will supposedly be used for but idk. (still looking for any advice on any issues that may be related lol) also i found a motherboard that i could use that isnt fugly colors and has common ports/ integrated graphics/ but its a micro atx which i dont want to use for a desktop because it isnt as expandable. also its am3+ so maybe later on if someone bought it they could take it BACK to me to upgrade [genious].

IntelEnthusiast · Aug 24, 2011

Mildgamer001 if you think that you are going to be able to build a system to compete with Dell or HP on the low end to make make money you are mistaken. Even an OEM copy of Windows 7 home is going to cost you $100 for you to hit that $300 price point is going to be very hard in the extreme. If you are looking to make money you need to be in the mid to upper end system like you would with the Intel® Core™ i5-2500K or the Intel Core i7-2600K.

Christian Wood
Intel Enthusiast Team

mildgamer001 · Aug 24, 2011

dell desktop with an athlon II x2 was 750$, even with the os (which i know would be expencive) i think that it is over priced, and big companies use low quality components they get in huge bulk. i agree that it would be much harder doing low end builds to sell but lots of people really look for high quality low end computers. plus i think i should build my own rig before i make any to sell, once i have money for high end computers to sell im going to do that though, i know there is money to be made there, i know a lot of gamers.

mildgamer001 · Aug 24, 2011

also my own gaming rig i wanted to make using intel (the intel builds are amazing if you spend the money) btu the config i cme up with was like 1500 big ones, so i am going to try to make a comperable build (or at least good for gaming on high settings) with amd, somewhat sadly because i know the 2nd gen i5's are better than the phenom II x6 (and x4) but if i can do it cheap and make up for it with video cards i will. currently i dotn have any money at all for computers. i wish i could afford an i5 2500k but i rather not wait possibly more than a year just to get a computer and i have other things to save money for so i think ill have to settle, still an intel person tho.

jaquith · Aug 24, 2011

IntelEnthusiast :

^+1 and then some.

Frankly, my costs exceed their retail.

mildgamer001 · Aug 24, 2011

jaquith :

you didnt use the same components as the ones i was looking at did. but oh well, imma just build a rig for myself anyhow, then maybe sell later on.

jaquith · Aug 24, 2011

Listen, I and Christian want you to succeed, but to accomplish that first you need: 1. Builds that have some margin for profit vs competition, 2. Additional building experience, and 3. Good business sense.

When you're young impulses rule your judgment, don't give into them. Think about your competition e.g. Best Buy and then find a niche that's missing. Example, offer to Build and Train...

Good Luck!

mildgamer001 · Aug 24, 2011

thanks, i have already figured that out by the way, WHEN i do have enoug money, education, and experience to start a buisness, i will, ive been planning on opening a repair shop (selling custom pcs on the side) i am hoping to be able to go to IT college, mainly for hardware classes etc, (never been much of a software/coding/programing guy but its nessisary for the field im hoping to get into.) and i do look at buisness and etc all the things you need to start a buisness (which i wouldnt really start an actual BUISNESS until i have that education and the cash to start one, but eventually) and your idea of training people to do this kind of stuff is very interesting, maybe when i have enough knowlege to not still be learning it all myself i could do something like that, actually that may be something i could do right now, on a much smaller scale of course. and by the way, its "christian and I" not "I and christian"

jaquith · Aug 24, 2011

Correct, I added Christian as an afterthought, I didn't want to necessarily speak for Christian. Perhaps it runs in the family with the levels of the King's English. My mother is outstanding in English and corrects both my father and I all of the time. She's was a 4th grade teacher and my father owned an electrical construction company in 5 states and had over 10,000 employees before they both retired. I'm a moron with only 14 employees at my REO/IDX/Tax data center company. Before moving to FL at 35 I built and currently still own about a 100 properties, and sold 4 other companies. Both her English and articulation are indeed impeccable. I waste my time in critical thinking and problem solving.

mildgamer001 · Aug 24, 2011

lol, i was more making a joke but thats interesting how ive been talking to someone with such succesful buisness, thats the thing with forums you can learn so much and meet people that have similar ideas etc etc, but i am probably just going to have a small shop out in the town about an hour away that has a huge college campus, get lots of broken stuff to fix there

but, that wont be for a long time for me so i can just keep planning.

mildgamer001 · Aug 24, 2011

also im trying to cinfigure a new i5 2500k build, i will use a z68 mobo with integrated graphics so i can avoid spending an extra 120$ on a video card and when better ones come out i can just get it then, also dont have any pc games at all as of now that need it that much. so if i dont use a gpu can i get a cheaper less powerful psu? and im only getting 30$ 4gb ram from crucial. think i could do soething like that?

jaquith · Aug 24, 2011

Some people have a hobby, and this forum for the moment is one of mine.

Correct like I already mentioned, the Intel HD Graphics 3000 is fine for 2D and it's unnecessary to add a discrete GPU unless 'Gaming.' The i5-2500K, today, on the Z68 allows for both CPU OC and onboard graphics IF the Z68 supports it, but many Gigabyte Z68's don't so be careful.

PSU - if you want to OC then IMO 500W is the minimum PSU for best results.

Hardware - as you already realize the CPU adds performance 'value' but so does the RAM to a point, in the case of Sandy Bridge the DDR3 1600 CAS 8 is the best overall performer, but both fast and high density e.g. 4GB/stick gets warm and good cooling improves stability. Nice article -> http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/memory/2011/01/11/the-best-memory-for-sandy-bridge/1 performance is dictated by types of use.

You also need to be aware of online PC builders and need to examine your costs verses both their retail and services; examples:

CyberPower PC -> http://www.cyberpowerpc.com/
Origin -> http://www.originpc.com/

The PC's I hobby build tend to be 'radical' with complex water blocks, etc. Excluding some oddball builds here's a good site for ultra high-end, these builds may look simple but trust me they're not -> http://www.million-dollar-pc.com/

Good Luck!

IntelEnthusiast · Aug 24, 2011

You need to understand why people buy a computer from a local builder over one of the big OEMs (Dell, HP, etc.)? There are a couple answers to that but in every case it isn’t because of money. The big OEMs have deals that allow them to get the parts that they use for less than any of the rest of us can dream of. So if the price isn’t why they are buying from a local computer manufacturer then why? Quality, performance, lack of junk software pre-loaded onto a computer, and ego can all play parts in why a person would buy from a local builder over an OEM.

So when you try to build a computer to sell to the public or that you might sale in the future you have to find ways that might attract them to your system over pricing. By selecting a high end gaming processor and not putting a good video card with it you are tuning out a large group of the people that you need to count on to buy your system. Now you can say that you will match the system up with the video card of their choice but don’t try to sale without a video card. In the end building systems today is a balancing act of pricing, performance, and knowledge of both hardware and software to give the best results to attract the customers to your products.

Good Luck and keep learning,

Christian Wood
Intel Enthusiast Team

jaquith · Aug 24, 2011

Christian - Very well said.

I would go broke if my income depended upon 'Building Computers', and by no means did I plan on building gaming PCs for a living. I built, at the time, a very exotic $6K multiprocessor HTPC in 2001 to use as a DVR and media/entertainment center for my home before there was a 'Media PC' -> http://i1013.photobucket.com/albums/af254/Jaquith/Picture014.jpg and since the economics are so strong in my area and community so small word got out. I build 1-4 $5,000~$8,000+ PC's a month as a 'paid hobby'.

Further, the 'PC Repair Shops' in my area, most of them, have closed their doors. PC's replacement costs versus repair costs has shifted towards being 'disposable' over the past several years. If I had it in my mind to make a living then the capital {money} needed to compete with say CyberPower PC would be at least several hundred thousand dollars to millions, and an expected losses of 30%~50% until a steady demand could be derived from heavy costly advertising. Further, in this economic climate I'd make more money and have a better chance of profit with the stacked odds in Vegas.

IMO sure offer to build, but also offer to train. My best friend in Chicago lost his job now three times working for large companies {mergers}, and for additional income he attempted to both resale and setup small business's computer needs and after a total of three years of unemployment maybe earned $20,000 over (3) three years. Something to think about. My projections show our economy to be in trouble for at least the next 5 to 7 years.

mildgamer001 · Aug 25, 2011

well christian, i was talking about for myself so it isnt so expencive for me, i am going to try to save money for my computer first, then EVENTUALLY after college i may open up a small scale repair,custom build,housecall, etc etc (and now im adding trainign to that list) but no, i wouldnt build a custom computer for someone without a video card, i know i wouldnt get many sales if the customer had to buy some parts for themselves.
But yes, if i do market the occasional pc it would be advertising high quality parts, easier acces to replacement parts, but no, i wouldnt think of selling an incomplete computer anyhow unless the customer wanted it that way. also, it would also be a, if you have a buisness and you computers,copy machines, any other computer based electronic equipment, breaks, i come to the office with diagnostic equipment/replacement parts, like house call doctors used to, i know this can get at least some buisness in itself because my mothers real extate buisness had to have this kind of service many times. but i am open to any other ideas, im not just selling computers alone, and im not selling incomplete computers, oh how i love when people dont read everything in a reply, oh well, thanks for the help and ideas i appreciate any more you have. (sorry if this becomes a giant brick of text)

IntelEnthusiast · Aug 25, 2011

Today if you want to find a field that will make you money look at networking and setting up secure wireless networks within homes and businesses. With the explosion of wireless devices the demand for secure wireless network is more important than ever before. Get your CCNA and other network certs and you will be able to find work that will pay.

Christian Wood
Intel Enthusiast Team

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