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I was just looking around at prices, and at ncix i happen to run into <A HREF="http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=12058&vpn=ADA3800AWBOX&manufacture=AMD" target="_new">this</A>!! JESUS!!

The <A HREF="http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=12059&vpn=ADA3500AWBOX&manufacture=AMD" target="_new">3500+</A> is also priced pretty high!!


<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by scottchen on 06/01/04 02:22 AM.</EM></FONT></P>
 

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[-peep-] that is high.I was expecting the 3800+ to be around $700 but [-peep-] $1000. heres what hardocp said they would cost <A HREF="http://www.hardocp.com/article.html?art=NjI2LDY=" target="_new">http://www.hardocp.com/article.html?art=NjI2LDY=</A>

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That's canadian dollars so HardOCP's prices are correct (3800+: CAD $1100 = USD $800). Anyway I don't see what's the big deal here. This is certainly not a suprise to me since we all knew that there probably won't be "cheap" S939 CPUs until AMD moves to 90nm. These prices are exacty as expected.
 

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can't wait for the next round of "purchasing advice":
"wait for S939 prices to drop "
after that it will be "wait for PCI-E" and then 90nm, dual core, DDR2, etc, etc,.. ad infinium. I petty the person that has been waiting for A64 initially, then more mature boards, then pricedrops,then nForce3, then nForce3 250, and now for S939. He's been waiting for the right moment to buy since 2001, and he will be waiting until well into the next decade.

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An opteron 150 (which is just an FX53) costs "only" $615. Easy call if you ask me, you'd be nuts getting the FX or even 3700+. Socket 940 isnt going anywhere, and even if it would, the price delta would almost buy you a new one.

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If what you have right now meets your needs, why would you need to rush out and buy new stuff? I certainly don't mind waiting until S939 and PCI-EX since my current system meets my needs. Besides, I don't think PCI-EX will be replaced anytime soon (unlike PCI), so waiting for it is no big deal.

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>If what you have right now meets your needs, why would you
>need to rush out and buy new stuff?

No offense, but that has to be the stupidest question I read in quite a while, even when I realize its a rethorical one.:)

I just figured most people asking for upgrade/purchase advice here did so because their old kit no longer met their needs

>Besides, I don't think PCI-EX will be replaced anytime soon
>(unlike PCI), so waiting for it is no big deal.

It sure is when you are stuck with a 500 Mhz PC, trying to run Far Cry or Splinter cell.

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i think the point is, there is no need to plan around pci-e or ddr 2, both of which are marketing sticks right now, just as much as amd64 is marketing until windows xp 64bit comes. s754 will last for a long time. for upgrading to 939, just get a board like this and your set:

<A HREF="http://www.anandtech.com/showdoc.html?i=2064&p=7" target="_new">http://www.anandtech.com/showdoc.html?i=2064&p=7</A>

lol
 

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I guess my next upgrade's not gonna be s939, just gonna be a mobile Athlon64 2800+:) 1.2V 35watt 1.8ghz 512k l2 cache.

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All a64 mobile have 1 mb cache so your 2800 would have 1mb...

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scottchen

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All 1mb mobiles are 62watt and requiring 1.4Vcore, the 2800+ has 512k cache i checked, that's why the die size's sooo much smaller, generating only 35watts of heats.

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"wait for S939 prices to drop "
after that it will be "wait for PCI-E" <b>and then 90nm, dual core, DDR2, etc, etc,.. ad infinium.</b> I petty the person that has been waiting for A64 initially, then more mature boards, then pricedrops,then nForce3, then nForce3 250, and now for S939. He's been waiting for the right moment to buy since 2001, and he will be waiting until well into the next decade.
You are not so well informed. 90nm Athlons are qeued for 2nd half of 2004, first models supposed to be out same time w/ PCI-E. YES, PCI-E is worth waiting for, mainly because AGP is not so upgradeable. PCI-E will be used for many years on, AGP has less then a year to live. As for dual core CPU's, they're qeued earliest for 2006, definitely not worth waiting for so long.
Oh, and if you want a worthy price drop, all you have to wait for is max ... 1 month.
 

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It sure is when you are stuck with a 500 Mhz PC, trying to run Far Cry or Splinter cell.
That's exactly the case of a friend of mine. He's got his 500Mhz rig and he can run DeusEx, Half-Life, Anachronox, he can listen to music. As far as he's concerned, it serves him well. Far Cry or SplinterCell are not his gaming priorities.

I convinced him to change his sytem, but he wants to have an upgradeable one, especially that he will soon get in hardcore gaming. But now, he's satisfied of his PC.
 

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>That's exactly the case of a friend of mine. <snip>Far Cry
>or SplinterCell are not his gaming priorities.

So that is exactly NOT the case I described.. :|

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LMAO ! thanks for proving my point. Oh, the irony :D

I predicted people would start saying 'wait for PCI-E' now, and lower prices for S939. I said this at the time people (including you ?) where saying to wait for nForce3 250 and S939. And I predicted that would happen when people argued you should wait for nForce 150 or lower priced A64's, more mature A64 boards.. which was right after the A64 arrived that people where told to wait for before buying last year,...

You *really* don't get the irony of this, do you ? You seem to think advances will somehow stop once PCI-E and cheaper S939 boards/cpu's arrive, and there will be nothing worthwhile on the horizon by then. Over the 15 years I've been following this industry, that has yet to happen. "Wait for..<inser favorite upcoming new tech here>" has always been the credo.

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Here's my rule of thumb on new technology:

If I have to wait more than a year to get it, then there is no point in waiting. I'm not looking to upgrade RIGHT now, but I do realize there are some people that are. However, most of the new techs people are talking about will be here THIS YEAR... so what is the big deal about waiting just a little longer. If you have a 500MHz PC, chances are you've already been waiting 3 years to upgrade... what's a couple of months?

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actually no pci-e might nto be worth waiting for. for one thing, 90nm chips wont be here till Q3 which could be anytime during Q3, but pci-e wil be out for s939 before that. But the fact is, pci-e has no advatages to warrant waiting to buy it when it first comes out. Video cards cant even saturate agp today, not until new uses and tech comes to video cards will we see performance increases. Secondly, ati and nvidia both havent said they will drop agp support anytime soon, id say it will last at least another year. Now maybe at the very high end they might drop agp in a year, but not lowere end, besides, neither have announced any lower end pci-e cards, just those running on thier highest end. AGP may fall out of the high end next year, but it wont dissappear, thats why almost all mobo/chipset makers are making it possible to use both agp and pci-e on the same board. They know the transition wil be slow.
 

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<i>Pci</i> cards are still made. AGP wont go anywhere for two years or more.

Two years time is a reasonable life-time for an enthusiast PC. No reason at all to wait for PCI-e if you need a new comp <i>now</i>

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>If you have a 500MHz PC, chances are you've already been
>waiting 3 years to upgrade... what's a couple of months?

What does waiting bring you ? PCI-E cards and boards will be very expensive when they hit the shelves, so unless you are in the market for an uber-pc, chances are you are going to wait *again* for prices to drop on that kit. So yeah, what is another 6 months ? by the time prices do drop, you can bet your dollar people will advice you for whatever new tech just around the corner.

In most cases, waiting just ain't worth it, because you wait for something new, and therefore inherently expensive and untested/first revision,.. which you don't want anyway, so you end up waiting for the second revisions and lower prices, and by that time, you'll find yourselve waiting for the first revision of whatever new tech on the horizon.. over and over, ad infinium.

I think it makes much more sense for instance to just buy a S754 board now, with an affordable AGP card like a 9600XT/9800 PRo, which should serve you well for *at least* a year, and then you could still pick up a new PCI-E board and GPU if you really wish 12-18+ months from here and if it proves worthwhile. Chances are you will have actually spent *less* money, and you will have been enjoying your computer a lot more during all that time instead of waiting frustrated by your old kit.

My rule of thumb is to only wait if you can't spare the cash, or do not find the money worth the improvement over your current setup. I will never wait longer than a single month for some new technology to become available, or prices to drop (seriously, they *always* drop), because I never (want to) buy the very newest thing anyway.

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