What to upgrade next with a low budget

roboboble

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Recently got a new GPU, getting some nasty bottle-necking not really sure on what to upgrade next to help this, My Budget isn't very high plus I'm from the UK so price's can suck! current spec's are:
CPU: AMD Phenom II X4 960T - stock speed
Motherboard: ASUS M4A89GTD PRO/USB3
Cooler: cooler master seidon 120
RAM: 8GB
GPU: ASUS R9 280
PSU: Corsair CX600W
Storage: Kingston hyperX 250Gb SSD, 1TB HDD
whats my next upgrade path, on a budget? i know motherboard and cpu are low? but cant afford both at the same time
 
yeah i understand this, but whats a better option for me? if i wanted intel my motherboard cant support it so thats out the window, unless i get a MOBO&CPU but then the budget maybe alittle bit to much for someone who has to care for family and cant work at the time being, i understand nearly every AMD processor will bottleneck this GPU to some what?, am i right in thinking this?
 
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i3-4130 3.4GHz Dual-Core Processor (£78.79 @ Aria PC)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-B85M-HD3 Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard (£48.51 @ Amazon UK)
Total: £127.30
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-01-09 01:23 GMT+0000
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PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD FX-6300 3.5GHz 6-Core Processor (£74.34 @ Aria PC)
Motherboard: MSI 970A-G43 ATX AM3+ Motherboard (£47.89 @ Amazon UK)
Total: £122.23
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-01-09 01:25 GMT+0000
 


Sorry but I completely disagree with this. At best this would be a side-step and not give any real performance gains in games, and at worst in games using 4-threads this would give lower performance. Intel's architecture is much better than AMD's but that doesn't make dual-core Intel CPUs beat true quad-core CPUs from AMD.
 
Ive been looking at the AMD FX series, and my motherboard says it supports AMD3, but i have no idea if it will work? it in as the FX series is newer then my mobo?, if i know it works with my mobo i would be interested in an AMD FX-6300, but would i have to by a new mobo or can i say the mobo upgrade to a later date get a faster CPU for now, and just enjoy the more stable fps?
 


Sorry but your motherboard doesn't support the new FX series of processors.
http://www.asus.com/us/Motherboards/M4A89GTD_PRO/HelpDesk_CPU/

Besides, you don't want to go with an AMD FX-6300, same as the Intel Core i3, that is more of a side step and in the wrong situations can give lower performance. AMD has been very unsuccessful with their CPUs in the last 5 years and as a result only the ones claiming to be 8-cores are able to surpass the older Phenom II CPUs completely, and even sometimes they still lose to them. If you want an upgarde your options are:

AMD FX-83xx CPU with compatible motherboard
AMD Phenom II X6
Intel Core i5/Xeon with compatible motherboard (Any generation except 1st Generation)

Anything else would be a side step or a step down in performance.
 
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131874
Good quality AM3+ Asus motherboard. $140 Cdn dollars, check price in your area.
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819113284
FX 8350. I have one, eight cores is goodness. Easily overclocked to 4.6 -4.7 with a Hyper 212 Evo. $200 Cdn.
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819113286
FX 6300, 6 cores at slightly lower clocks. Easy OC to 4.4-4.6 $140 Cdn.


http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819117372&cm_re=4690k-_-19-117-372-_-Product
4690k Intel. $260 Cdn.
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819117302&cm_re=4460-_-19-117-302-_-Product
4460 Intel. Locked , no overclocking $205 Cdn.
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813132118
Asus Z97-A motherboard $160 Cdn.

Pick your poison and price range. You will have to investigate whether your psu is "Haswell compatible" I am not exactly sure what that means, I guess the Intels are fussy on power. Keep in mind a motherboard swap pretty much always means a new copy of Windows.


I cannot recommend scrimping on motherboards, this leads to sadness later. So there are both AMD and Intel options, budget through midrange in price. If you already had a AM3+ mobo I would say stuff a Fx6300 in it and be happy for another year. But you don't...🙁

If you go the Haswell route, investigate the power supply thing. If you need a new one of those as well, it gets to be a VERY expensive process for you.

There are cheaper options, but do you really want to spend $200-$250 dollars for real budget stuff for a barely noticeable increase in performance?

FX6300 pairs well with your current video card, and would give you a pretty significant performance increase.
And of course, MOAR CORES!

I could not afford both motherboard and cpu at the same time, so you can do what I did, Buy a good 990fx motherboard, install it in you PC with your current cpu. Yes it will fit and work. You might get a bit higher OC out of it as well with a good 990fx chipset. I did when I swapped my 975 BE over in to the Sabertooth.

Then buy a FX8350 in another month or two, drop it right in to your existing PC, hit the power button and start gaming.....:)

Yay for AMD compatibility!
 
thank you exroofer for the brilliant post, should i look at refunding my gpu? as its only been in my PC for a day hopefully amazon will refund me if i send it back? and put my old gfx back in (6850HD)as i didnt have that much of an FPS problem, i just wanted some shadows!!, and then using the money to get a new mobo/cpu combo? and deal with the GPU at a later month????
 


I would say that would be a good idea. Shadows are almost entirely a CPU limited feature. Just like I said don't stop at the FX 6300, you will be disappointed as it isn't a good enough improvement. Go higher.
 


Ok thank you, abit off-topic but do u know if amazon will refund me on an open GPU? the box is undamaged etc and its only been in my PC for a day

how about overlocking my CPU will i get anymore performance out of it, or will it always be bottlenecked to the point i may aswell not have this graphics card?
 
No idea about refunds. I'm guessing you are trying to squeeze in a mobo/cpu swap with available funds.
Opening up the Northbridge on Phenom/Thuban cpu's can yield huge gains in cpu thruput without adding any voltage or very little, and thus little or no extra heat. Like 25-30% more depending.

Before you do anything hasty, keep in mind that if you are going to replace the cpu/mobo, the Intel solution especially with a 4690k, is the stronger performer over a 990FX/8350. But it is also significantly more expensive, especially if a new psu is needed.

So for example, if going the 4690k route means you need to use an underperforming video card for like 6 months due to budgetary restraints, versus 990fx/8350 and keeping the R280, the latter gives you a better gaming experience for longer.

If you want to do the cpu/mobo swap all in one shot, and then buy say, a R9 290 a few months down the road. ( they are getting pretty inexpensive these days), that would lead to a pretty solid upgrade over what you have now with a very noticeable increase in performance.

A 6850 is still a reasonable card for 1080p gaming, so doing that would not be the end of the world.

Again, remember that a motherboard swap almost always means needing a new copy of Windows, although there are ways around this. Like installing your current copy of Windows with a fresh install and calling Microsoft to get them to allow verification of the install as a legitimate copy. However this is not a garanteed thing, and you don't want to count on it happening.

So my advice to you is to decide which way you want to go platform wise, and budget and buy from there.
As my sig shows, I wound up with a 8350 and an R290x at the end of my upgrade path, and the 8350 is no slouch.

You can always buy the 4690k. look at the pretty box for a month or however long, then buy the Z97 mobo, and go from there.
Or buy the 990fx mobo, install it now, and then buy the 8350 and install it when it arrives.

Your 960t. if you can get a good overclock out of it, northbridge especially since that yields the biggest gains in cpu thruput, is not holding your 280 back as badly as some would have you believe. Yes it bottlenecks it somewhat, but you can still play your games right? I mean, you DID notice a difference going from the 6850 to the 280. ? A pretty significant one?

Sorry but with the vast array of possible computer configurations, I can't give you a simple " buy this and it will cure all your ills" answer.
At least not without taking budget in to the equation. If money was no object, we would just all throw $10,000 USD at Digital Storm and tell them to go nuts.

FX8350 or 4690k are your real choices, and all other spending revolves around your choice. including what order you buy things in.

If you want to keep everything you currently own, and OC the Thuban, head over to the AMD overclocking thread, and post up all your system specs and ask for help with the overclock. I follow that thread. This is the method that costs zero dollars, and gives you time to make a long term decision. While still being able to use your PC.
 
IMHO you should keep the graphics card, you may need it later when you have acquired faster mobo and CPU... you could overclock the CPU and try underclocking the GPU so bottlenecking is minimized.. methods are discusses here.
http://www.overclock.net/t/831034/how-to-underclock-my-ati-graphic-card
http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/289489-33-underclock-4870-runs

More underclocking google results
https://www.google.com/?gfe_rd=cr&ei=ZQqwVOPUAciu8wf11oLACA#q=how+to+underclock+graphics+card+ati


Check your return/refund options (in case that becomes your only viable solution).

Help & Customer Service
Returns & Refunds
https://www.amazon.com/gp/help/customer/display.html/?nodeId=901888

Amazon.com - Returns Center
https://www.amazon.com/gp/orc/returns/homepage.html/ref=orc_surl_ret_hp

Return Items You Ordered
https://www.amazon.com/gp/help/customer/display.html?nodeId=200572800
 


im in love with you right now, days of sleepiness nights over this nearly refunding my GPU and just giving up all together, and Im think my best bet is to OC some people have said i can get 3.8ghz quad, or 4.0-4.2ghz hex so i think that's my best option, then saving for a new CPU/MOBO/windows 8, 6 months - 1 year down the line 🙁 ( i know LONG pissing life!!!!) but its the only option i have! and tbh I'm not really into destroying my real life with money problems to make my computer games better 😛 tbh my FPS in games like WoW/LoL hasn't gone UP, but the graphic settings HAVE, so i cant moan that much and if the OC gets me 10 fps more for free , then that's a smile on my face

Edit because of chicano:

Thanks mate, i think i'll keep the GPu i was abit gutted that it wasnt getting the FPS i need but in my eyes a PC that isnt bottlenecked alittle means u just have to get a new PC when u do want an upgrade over just getting parts, I think the OCing is the best option for me by far my case cooling etc all seems really good as ive played 16hours + and my CPU has never got over 40c (this is good for an AMD???) amazon has a 15day 100% refund, so i guess i have till the 15th to try and OC and see how it is!!!
 
Right! 40ºC is cool-to-normal for any CPU make... (depending on weather and task)

One more suggestion: If your BIOS allows it, unlocking the 960T may be another option. It's said to be a 6 core with two cores disabled... depending on the BIOS it can be made a 6 core. Read the details:

http://www.cpu-world.com/CPUs/K10/AMD-Phenom%20II%20X4%20960T%20Black%20Edition%20-%20HD96ZTWFK4DGR.html
http://www.cpu-world.com/news_2010/2010041702_Unlocking_Phenom_II_X4_960T.html?PROCESS=Read+more...

Unlocking Phenom II X4 960T
Apr 17, 2010: OCW (ocworkbench.com) reports that Phenom II X4 960T processor is, in fact, a six-core CPU with two cores disabled, which can be unlocked on some motherboards. With all 6 cores running, the 960T is recognized by BIOS as "Phenom II X6 1605T".
http://en.ocworkbench.com/tech/exclusive-asrock-890gx-extreme3-motherboard-is-first-board-to-unlock-phenom-ii-x4-and-turn-it-into-a-x6/
http://en.ocworkbench.com/tech/exclusive-asrock-890gx-extreme3-motherboard-is-first-board-to-unlock-phenom-ii-x4-and-turn-it-into-a-x6/2/

AMD Phenom II X4 960T --- 3861 CPU mark
AMD Phenom II X6 1065T -- 5177 CPU mark = 35% faster
 
Yes if you win the Thuban lottery and can unlock the extra two cores, as well as OC'ing it, you would really notice.
It is unrealistic to expect 4 Ghz on your current motherboard, Possible, but unlikely.

3.6 Ghz, with a 2600-2800 Northbridge is more realistic. Probably 2600 to keep from having to overvolt it.too much.
Northbridge OC is king as far as Thuban/FX 9xx AMD chips for bang for buck overclocking.

WoW is notoriously cpu bound, so I 'm not surprised you get the same-ish fps but at higher graphic settings.

Link to the AMD overclocking thread here on Tom's. http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/forum/261868-29-overclocking-club/page-32?xtor=EPR-8809#15013313

Read and understand what you are doing before diving in to the bios. There are some long time AMD overclockers who watch that thread and the more info you give them and the more questions you ask, the better results in the end.

Start there...:)