Question What would make my FPS be lower with 4090 ?

[Senius]

Hello everyone,
I have been having this issue since I bought this PC. When I compare my FPS to my friends with much weaker pc's they always get more FPS than me. For example a friend of mine wıth 4060 ti gets more FPS than me on rainbow six siege. I have brought my PC to 2 different computer services they could not find the issue at all. Also please do not tell me to buy a 2k or 4k monitor, I just want to see my PC working on full potential. Also When I first bought this pc I had i7 13 13700k with msi 4090 ventus. I tought that they were the problem but no nothing changed after changing those part to my current parts.

The FPS I get on different games wıth low settings(1080p).
Rainbow six siege:On ranked max 400
Battlefiled 2042: max 290
Valorant: max 600.

I know these numbers are not low but this is not what I paid for. A person with a 4060 ti should not get more FPS than me. There are some people on youtube with my components and getting min 500 on rainbow. For example this guy with 2k resolution gets way more than me. I just do not think that on 1080p the FPS can be lower.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5-Gwbg-_dyo&t=1s&ab_channel=FIVESTRZ


CPU: i9 13900K.
GPU: ASUS ROG STRIX 4090 OC.
Motherboard: ASUS ROG Maximus Hero Z790.
RAM: Skill g 32 GB 6000.
OS: Windows 11 Pro.
Power plan: High performance.
Msi afterburner: power limit at 125%

If you guys can help me get rid of this problem I would really appreciate it. If you need any info about my setting or sth else just tell me.

 

[Order 66]

1. what is the PSU? 2. Why do you need more than 400 fps in R6?

 

[Moonstick2]

Could be lots of things. So many things. Try listing everything you can about your PC, and I mean everything. Drives and where they're installed, PSU, case, coolers, everything. Also run and post up CPU-Z and GPU-Z results.

My first guess: the 13900K is very power hungry and requires a lot of cooling. How are you cooling it? Try monitoring CPU speed and temperature when benchmarking to check it's not throttling.

 

[Senius]

Could be lots of things. So many things. Try listing everything you can about your PC, and I mean everything. Drives and where they're installed, PSU, case, coolers, everything. Also run and post up CPU-Z and GPU-Z results.

My first guess: the 13900K is very power hungry and requires a lot of cooling. How are you cooling it? Try monitoring CPU speed and temperature when benchmarking to check it's not throttling.

I use cooler master 360L of cooling and cpu does not go above 85c usually stays at 70s. I have done so many stress tests nothing is wrong with the cpu of gpu it just gives me less fps than other for some reason. MY case is Y60 by HYTE. My psu is RM1000x by corsair.

 

[Zerk2012]

I use cooler master 360L of cooling and cpu does not go above 85c usually stays at 70s. I have done so many stress tests nothing is wrong with the cpu of gpu it just gives me less fps than other for some reason. MY case is Y60 by HYTE. My psu is RM1000x by corsair.

Are you using the riser cable for the video card?
What temp is the hot spot on the video card.
Have you ran time spy and compared your cards score to other scores?

 

[stonecarver]

When I first bought this pc I had i7 13 13700k with msi 4090 ventus. I tought that they were the problem but no nothing changed after changing those part to my current parts.

CPU: i9 13900K.
GPU: ASUS ROG STRIX 4090 OC.
Motherboard: ASUS ROG Maximus Hero Z790.
RAM: Skill g 32 GB 6000.
OS: Windows 11 Pro.
Power plan: High performance.
Msi afterburner: power limit at 125%

If you guys can help me get rid of this problem I would really appreciate it. If you need any info about my setting or sth else just tell me.

I get what your saying between your system and the other guy with the RTX 4060Ti, he get higher FPS.

This is my experience and outcome on what's happening.

As long as your not glitching or black screening and your games are playing fine.

I have many gaming PC's and when I bought my GTX Titan X Pascal GPU's man games just run like they should. My FPS was great I was happy and I still am, but here is where I thought the same as you while playing same games on another lesser GPU my FPS were higher on the lower card. Wait what ?

Than I dove into game settings, I looked on each PC depending on GPU.

It came down to the Titan X no matter what game defaulted to Ultra settings. So all the eye candy but great FPS but lower than my lesser GPU's

The lesser GPUs some were on high and some were medium. With higher FPS.

So just to see what would happen I upped my lower GPU to ultra, it tanked FPS , game play sucked, games crashed you name it.

Your RTX 4090 is lifting a heaver load and still getting great FPS if that makes sense.

 

[Senius]

Are you using the riser cable for the video card?
What temp is the hot spot on the video card.
Have you ran time spy and compared your cards score to other scores?

I have no idea what those are. I just can say what my gpu's temp. I have been playing rainbow six the whole day and max temp is 53c

 

[Senius]

I get what your saying between your system and the other guy with the RTX 4060Ti, he get higher FPS.

This is my experience and outcome on what's happening.

As long as your not glitching or black screening and your games are playing fine.

I have many gaming PC's and when I bought my GTX Titan X Pascal GPU's man games just run like they should. My FPS was great I was happy and I still am, but here is where I thought the same as you while playing same games on another lesser GPU my FPS were higher on the lower card. Wait what ?

Than I dove into game settings, I looked on each PC depending on GPU.

It came down to the Titan X no matter what game defaulted to Ultra settings. So all the eye candy but great FPS but lower than my lesser GPU's

The lesser GPUs some were on high and some were medium. With higher FPS.

So just to see what would happen I upped my lower GPU to ultra, it tanked FPS , game play sucked, games crashed you name it.

Your RTX 4090 is lifting a heaver load and still getting great FPS if that makes sense.

Yea I get what you are saying but those people on youtube with my components getting way better FPS than me I dont understand that. If you look it up on youtube you can see they never even see min 400 where I cant even reach 500 FPS.

 

[Senius]

1. what is the PSU? 2. Why do you need more than 400 fps in R6?

1) I just feel like sth is wrong with my PC I do not need more but I want to get what I paid for.

2) PSU is Corsair RM1000x.

 

[Moonstick2]

I do not need more but I want to get what I paid for.

Did you pay for an i9 13900K and an RTX 4090? You've got those.
Did you pay for a higher frame rate than your monitor is probably capable of? It sounds like you've got that.
Or do you mean you paid for bragging rights?

If you're so sure that something is wrong, try taking some proper CPU and GPU benchmarks (e.g. Heaven) at low and high detail levels instead of talking about various games at low where there's a whole host of things that can affect the results. And, for the second time, post up CPU-Z and GPU-Z information.

It's fine to ask for help but you need to do some proper legwork yourself as well. Thing is, once frame rates start going into the multiple hundreds I'm not convinced it even makes sense to compare them between different computers. Run a stressful graphical benchmark at ultra details and then if there is an issue it should be fairly clear.

 

[Unolocogringo]

Most youtube videos are crap.
If you want the same results you need to turn your computer into a benchmarking machine, instead of a gaming machine.
Buy yourself a couple new SSDs.
Disconnect all other hard drives/SSDs.
Install windows.
Install drivers.
Install windows updates.
Clone first SSD onto second SSD.
Now install one game. ONE GAME nothing else.
Overclock the crap out of your system.
Go into game and lower draw distance.NPC count LOD etc....
Benchmark.
Change a few more settings.
Benchmark again.
Rinse and repeat until you get desired results.
Make a video of it.
Now wipe first drive and clone second SSD to it.
A new copy of updated windows.
Install a different game. Just the game ,nothing else.
Benchmark and tweek settings till you get desired results.
Make a video of it.

Once you start installing other games and software your FPS will slowly drop the more things you install.

 

[Senius]

CPU-Z and GPU-Z information

https://imgur.com/a/k2W0lY1

I hope this is the information you were asking me to post. I do not really understand those things.

 

[Senius]

Most youtube videos are crap.
If you want the same results you need to turn your computer into a benchmarking machine, instead of a gaming machine.
Buy yourself a couple new SSDs.
Disconnect all other hard drives/SSDs.
Install windows.
Install drivers.
Install windows updates.
Clone first SSD onto second SSD.
Now install one game. ONE GAME nothing else.
Overclock the crap out of your system.
Go into game and lower draw distance.NPC count LOD etc....
Benchmark.
Change a few more settings.
Benchmark again.
Rinse and repeat until you get desired results.
Make a video of it.
Now wipe first drive and clone second SSD to it.
A new copy of updated windows.
Install a different game. Just the game ,nothing else.
Benchmark and tweek settings till you get desired results.
Make a video of it.

Once you start installing other games and software your FPS will slowly drop the more things you install.

I doubt those people on youtube do those 😀

 

[Unolocogringo]

Of course they do.
Their main concern is clicks.
If they posted a regular achievable results .no one would care or watch their videos.
Plus all sites with any credibility benchmark the same way without the tweeking.
Only way to get consistent results.

 

[Moonstick2]

I hope this is the information you were asking me to post. I do not really understand those things.

That's a part of it. Nothing obviously wrong there with the card.

The trouble here is that because you don't understand a lot of this stuff (which isn't your fault, it's just the way things are) it will take a lot more effort to investigate a problem which isn't really a problem.

If it turns out the performance is poor at Ultra/RT, that's another matter. But chasing 500+ fps instead of 400...just play the game and enjoy it, not worry about things you wouldn't even have noticed if you'd not measured them.

 

[Senius]

That's a part of it. Nothing obviously wrong there with the card.

The trouble here is that because you don't understand a lot of this stuff (which isn't your fault, it's just the way things are) it will take a lot more effort to investigate a problem which isn't really a problem.

If it turns out the performance is poor at Ultra/RT, that's another matter. But chasing 500+ fps instead of 400...just play the game and enjoy it, not worry about things you wouldn't even have noticed if you'd not measured them.

I totally get waht you are saying. Just sometimes I get like 200 fps with my system on rainbow six so if i want to buy a 360hz monitor I am not gonna be able to use it. I barely get above 350. For now the FPS I got is enough for a 240hz monitor yeah but not enough for a 360hz for sure. If my 4090 cannot handle 360 fps on rainbow six a 4060 ti should not handle it too right?

Recently we compared our FPS again. When he was getting 460 fps I was 270. I cannot understand this at all.

 

[Unolocogringo]

It is called tweeking settings to get the desired results.
Your system probably set everything to max settings for your 4090. His is probably medium with some settings at high/ max.
To get more FPS you need to lower the amount of work the CPU has to do.
Turn off all background apps.
Lower draw distance, less objects on screen that CPU has to calculate.
Turn down shadows , less CPU work etc.......
Or you could turn down settings to minimum and get crazy FPS but terrible looking scenery in game.
It appears an e-peen or bragging rights is your main concern, not system performance

If you think that you can not use a 360hz monitor because your system only does 350 FPS something is wrong with your thinking.

 

[seogoat]

Research and turn off the windows 11 bloatware

 

[Zerk2012]

I totally get waht you are saying. Just sometimes I get like 200 fps with my system on rainbow six so if i want to buy a 360hz monitor I am not gonna be able to use it. I barely get above 350. For now the FPS I got is enough for a 240hz monitor yeah but not enough for a 360hz for sure. If my 4090 cannot handle 360 fps on rainbow six a 4060 ti should not handle it too right?

Recently we compared our FPS again. When he was getting 460 fps I was 270. I cannot understand this at all.

Just to correct a few things you have wrong.
You max FPS comes from the CPU not the video card.

A CPU can put out X amount of FPS in a given game. That number can't go higher but can go lower if the video card because of in game settings or resolution can no longer keep up.

 

[Senius]

Research and turn off the windows 11 bloatware

I have done that with my previous PC with 2080 ti and did not see any results. Do you have any spesific advice?

 

[Moonstick2]

If my 4090 cannot handle 360 fps on rainbow six a 4060 ti should not handle it too right?

Recently we compared our FPS again. When he was getting 460 fps I was 270. I cannot understand this at all.

So put your 4090 in his PC and his 4060 TI in yours, compare again and see what you get. That at least will tell you if it's a problem with your card or not. The smart money says it's not that.