Question What's a Next Gen APU that's better than a AMD A10-7850k?

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I currently have an amd a10 7850k and want something next gen but similar.
Would like to stick with amd if possible.
Im willing to buy a new motherboard if its better.
please help me out, thanks!
 
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The R5 2400 with Vega 11 graphics is somewhat equitable to an i5-8400+GT1030, if you run it at OC levels with fast ram in dual channel. Since it's an APU and therefore uses amd infinity fabric bandwidth, the faster the ram the better so there's no need to stop at 3200, unless the board does.

Get that APU upto @ 4GHz with the graphics @ 1600/1650MHz, 3200 cl14 Samsung B-die, and you'll go toe-to-toe with a 8400 + 1030. If you slack off on anything, and you'll be down to the levels of 8th gen pentium fps.

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Any reason why you'd need 32Gb of ram? For simple gaming 16Gb is far more than enough, you'd have to be running multiple VM's or content creation or similar for that kind of size.
 
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I would vote for ditching FM2/DDR3 altogether in favor of Ryzen 2200G/2400G, a B450 motherboard and at least 8GB of DDR4-3000, preferably 16GB. A bit more expensive but considerably faster for most tasks than anything you can get while sticking to FM2 or AMD/DDR3. If you switched to Intel with DDR3, you may be able to find a prebuilt i7-4770/4790 for ~$170 which is going to run circles around most pre-Ryzen AMD CPUs.

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Since it's an APU and therefore uses amd infinity fabric bandwidth, the faster the ram the better so there's no need to stop at 3200, unless the board does.
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Last time I looked at DRAM prices, the cheapest 3200-16 memory I saw was $30 more than 3000-15. I'd just use that $30 to upgrade to a 2400G instead, ~30% more CPU and ~40% more IGP performance from having SMT and extra CUs instead of only 5-10% with the faster RAM.
 
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Well yes, we (as in me) was talking about the 2400G... My whole post was specifically about the 2400G, never even mentioned the 2200G. So spending $30 less on lower speed ram, to upgrade to the same cpu that is mentioned? Ya lost me.
And it's an APU, Op isn't using dedicated graphics. You really don't want to downgrade ram speeds at all. Not on a Ryzen APU that's using half the controller speeds as graphics speeds that's a 1600MHz drop to 1500MHz. Buh bye fps. If it was financially feasible I'd be pushing for 3466MHz, but those prices are reduculous.
 
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Karadjgne said:
And it's an APU, Op isn't using dedicated graphics. You really don't want to downgrade ram speeds at all.
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If you are going to pay ~$50 over the 2200G to get a 2400G, then pay another ~$50 extra to get 16GB of faster RAM to get the most out of the IGP (can't make-do with 8GB since there won't be enough RAM left for the OS and game after the IGP eats 2-3GB of it and performance will become unbearable due to swapping), then you are ~$70 shy from being able to afford a Ryzen 2600 (about same price as 2400G or 1700) + 3000-15 DDR4 + RX570 and blow the 2400G out of the water. I meant to include this in my previous reply, easy to forget after giving similar answers to a dozen other similar threads over the past month.

it is difficult to recommend min-maxing the 2400G when so much more performance can be had for so little extra cash down the conventional CPU + dGPU route thanks to how heavily discounted most of AMD's stuff currently is.
 
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@InvalidError ,oh I totally agree, sometimes it's not worth it. But, there's got to also be a point in stoppage. You can run a 2400G off any psu over 200w. For that 2600/570 not only is it $70 more, it'll need a decent 550w psu, another $60 or so, a case big enough to hold it all and provide decent airflow.... Where does it stop with all the nickles and dimes? A 570 is @ $140, for just $40 more you can get a 580...
 
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InvalidError said:
Where does it stop with all the nickles and dimes? A 570 is @ $140, for just $40 more you can get a 580...
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Except an RX 570 would be a massive upgrade over integrated graphics, offering multiple times the performance in games, while an RX 580 would only be a relatively minimal upgrade over an RX 570, offering around 15% more performance. It arguably makes sense to pay a little more for a lot more performance.

If gaming performance were the primary concern, even a Ryzen 2200G (or 1200) paired with an RX 570 and 8GB of DDR4-3000/3200 would massively outperform a Ryzen 2400G running on integrated graphics with 16GB of DDR4-3466 in today's games. And both options would cost about the same.
 
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Karadjgne said:
You can run a 2400G off any psu over 200w. For that 2600/570 not only is it $70 more, it'll need a decent 550w psu, another $60 or so, a case big enough to hold it all and provide decent airflow.... Where does it stop with all the nickles and dimes? A 570 is @ $140, for just $40 more you can get a 580...
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550W is nothing more than a recommendation, it'd be fine on a decent quality 400W or so PSU and the 520W S12-II can periodically be had on sale for under $40 if you don't already have a decent quality PSU. Case-wise, just about any generic $20 ATX case already has more than enough ventilation, all you really need is a bottom or front intake fan, a rear exhaust case fan and a decent amount of clearance in front around the fans to allow airflow around obstructions. It may not be the best cooling possible but still perfectly fine for stock and light OCing. In my PCs, I only use two front intakes, one rear exhaust and tape all other case ventilation shut to minimize dust ingress. It is nearly impossible to find cases with less ventilation than that unless you go micro-tower or smaller and those niche-market cases tend to be quite a bit more expensive, even more so if they require TFX/SFX PSUs which are also premium niche things.

If you plan to keep the RX570/580 for a long time, spending the extra $40 to get a 8GB version would make sense as 4GB is already getting pretty borderline in current games, especially when the OS and applications are eating a significant chunk of it to render stuff in the background. I had to disable hardware acceleration in Chrome and Firefox because they were eating all of my GTX1050's VRAM, causing everything that uses GPU acceleration to glitch like mad or crash while a game is running.
 
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If you can wait, see what the new AMD 3000 series APUs have to offer, if you cannot wait, just go with a 2400g.

According to rumors the new 3000 gpus may look like this for spec wise:
Ryzen 3 3300G6/123.0GHz3.8GHz65w$129/$145
Ryzen 5 3600G8/163.2GHz4.0GHz95w$199/$225

No info on the style of Video card built in yet or release date ( would be nice if it got released at the same time instead of a delay release )
 
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