Whats the bottleneck?

[essentialhawk]

Sup, i'm trying to upgrade my system to be able to stream games while being able to play properly... what is the fastest way to go about it?
is my single channel 1200mhz ram the issue?
i got about a 1000$.

https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/26148441

 

[SkyNetRising]

Read this article:
https://www.tomshardware.co.uk/game-streaming-encoding-coffee-lake-ryzen,review-34144.html
General idea - a lot of cores are necessary. Either Ryzen 7 or Intel i7 8th gen.

 

[amilio]

In case you are wondering, bottleneck is when your system is not running 100%. Let's say I have an i3 2100 paired with gtx 1080, sure it is a bottleneck because the gpu has high clock frequency and your cpu is not strong enough to cope up with the gpu. As a result, the gpu is pulled back in performance by the cpu and fps in games will drop. In your case, I suggest buying a new pc rig for streaming. Please state your system so that I can know, $1000 sure is a lot of money. (PM me if you have questions).

 

[n0ns3ns3]

it all depends what SW you use for streaming.
Shadowplay will work with your setup just fine.
More advanced encoding would really require more cores - 8 or more real cores.

 

[essentialhawk]

it all depends what SW you use for streaming.
Shadowplay will work with your setup just fine.
More advanced encoding would really require more cores - 8 or more real cores.

I use OBS, x264 encoding on 3k bitrate

 

[essentialhawk]

In case you are wondering, bottleneck is when your system is not running 100%. Let's say I have an i3 2100 paired with gtx 1080, sure it is a bottleneck because the gpu has high clock frequency and your cpu is not strong enough to cope up with the gpu. As a result, the gpu is pulled back in performance by the cpu and fps in games will drop. In your case, I suggest buying a new pc rig for streaming. Please state your system so that I can know, $1000 sure is a lot of money. (PM me if you have questions).

What i mean is what holds my system back the most, i see others running similar specs but not experiencing my issues, could single channel ram be the issue?

MSI GTX 1070 Gaming X 8GB
I7-6700k
ASUS Z170 Pro Gaming
Hyperx Fury x1 16GB 2400Mhz Single Channel
Corsair CX750M PSU
500GB SSD EVO L3

 

[amilio]

In case you are wondering, bottleneck is when your system is not running 100%. Let's say I have an i3 2100 paired with gtx 1080, sure it is a bottleneck because the gpu has high clock frequency and your cpu is not strong enough to cope up with the gpu. As a result, the gpu is pulled back in performance by the cpu and fps in games will drop. In your case, I suggest buying a new pc rig for streaming. Please state your system so that I can know, $1000 sure is a lot of money. (PM me if you have questions).

What i mean is what holds my system back the most, i see others running similar specs but not experiencing my issues, could single channel ram be the issue?

MSI GTX 1070 Gaming X 8GB
I7-6700k
ASUS Z170 Pro Gaming
Hyperx Fury x1 16GB 2400Mhz Single Channel
Corsair CX750M PSU
500GB SSD EVO L3

Ah I see. Ur system has no problem, perhaps if u do streaming I recommend getting a 1080 or 1080 ti if u hv enough money. Another option is what you stated, getting a dual channel 8 gb might help.

 

[velocityg4]

In case you are wondering, bottleneck is when your system is not running 100%. Let's say I have an i3 2100 paired with gtx 1080, sure it is a bottleneck because the gpu has high clock frequency and your cpu is not strong enough to cope up with the gpu. As a result, the gpu is pulled back in performance by the cpu and fps in games will drop. In your case, I suggest buying a new pc rig for streaming. Please state your system so that I can know, $1000 sure is a lot of money. (PM me if you have questions).

What i mean is what holds my system back the most, i see others running similar specs but not experiencing my issues, could single channel ram be the issue?

MSI GTX 1070 Gaming X 8GB
I7-6700k
ASUS Z170 Pro Gaming
Hyperx Fury x1 16GB 2400Mhz Single Channel
Corsair CX750M PSU
500GB SSD EVO L3

Single versus dual channel RAM makes hardly any difference in video encoding.
https://www.gamersnexus.net/guides/1349-ram-how-dual-channel-works-vs-single-channel/Page-3

As for gaming. There is also hardly any difference. Unless you are using integrated graphics. When using integrated graphics there is a huge difference.
https://us.hardware.info/reviews/7417/5/single-dual-and-quad-channel-memory-performance-more-lanes-more-speed-benchmarks-games

Before just running out and spending $1000. Install MSI Afterburner and enable OSD. With streaming running. Check CPU usage per core and GPU usage while gaming via the OSD.
https://www.msi.com/blog/setting-up-osd-with-msi-afterburner

I'm not certain if Afterburner will show all system CPU usage or just usage by the game. If you want a more advanced view of CPU usage. Follow these directions for setting up performance monitor to graph CPU usage over time. Then you can turn on streaming while gaming and view the impact on your CPU. It's a bit complicated to setup but gives you a better understanding of CPU load while gaming.
http://www.instantfundas.com/2012/03/how-to-record-cpu-and-memory-usage-over.html

Note: Instead of "total" add each core 0 through 8 in your case. That way you can get usage per core rather than having them grouped together on one graph.

Edit:
If you want something even more in depth with graphing of CPU, GPU and RAM usage. Along with temps and other system data. Consider paying for HWMonitor Pro.
https://www.cpuid.com/softwares/hwmonitor-pro.html

Edit 2: Without as relevant data on system utilization. All one can do is guess at what is needed. The most likely suspect is the CPU. In which case. I would get an i7-7820x or Threadripper 1920x. Based on your budget and uses.

 

[xraulb]

i am with this dude above,

before you switch cpus why not try a GPU base software? or is it important that you use OBS?

 

[essentialhawk]

i am with this dude above,

before you switch cpus why not try a GPU base software? or is it important that you use OBS?

I tried it aswell and somehow it did even worse, while making the quality worse aswell

 

[essentialhawk]

In case you are wondering, bottleneck is when your system is not running 100%. Let's say I have an i3 2100 paired with gtx 1080, sure it is a bottleneck because the gpu has high clock frequency and your cpu is not strong enough to cope up with the gpu. As a result, the gpu is pulled back in performance by the cpu and fps in games will drop. In your case, I suggest buying a new pc rig for streaming. Please state your system so that I can know, $1000 sure is a lot of money. (PM me if you have questions).

What i mean is what holds my system back the most, i see others running similar specs but not experiencing my issues, could single channel ram be the issue?

MSI GTX 1070 Gaming X 8GB
I7-6700k
ASUS Z170 Pro Gaming
Hyperx Fury x1 16GB 2400Mhz Single Channel
Corsair CX750M PSU
500GB SSD EVO L3

Single versus dual channel RAM makes hardly any difference in video encoding.
https://www.gamersnexus.net/guides/1349-ram-how-dual-channel-works-vs-single-channel/Page-3

As for gaming. There is also hardly any difference. Unless you are using integrated graphics. When using integrated graphics there is a huge difference.
https://us.hardware.info/reviews/7417/5/single-dual-and-quad-channel-memory-performance-more-lanes-more-speed-benchmarks-games

Before just running out and spending $1000. Install MSI Afterburner and enable OSD. With streaming running. Check CPU usage per core and GPU usage while gaming via the OSD.
https://www.msi.com/blog/setting-up-osd-with-msi-afterburner

I'm not certain if Afterburner will show all system CPU usage or just usage by the game. If you want a more advanced view of CPU usage. Follow these directions for setting up performance monitor to graph CPU usage over time. Then you can turn on streaming while gaming and view the impact on your CPU. It's a bit complicated to setup but gives you a better understanding of CPU load while gaming.
http://www.instantfundas.com/2012/03/how-to-record-cpu-and-memory-usage-over.html

Note: Instead of "total" add each core 0 through 8 in your case. That way you can get usage per core rather than having them grouped together on one graph.

Edit:
If you want something even more in depth with graphing of CPU, GPU and RAM usage. Along with temps and other system data. Consider paying for HWMonitor Pro.
https://www.cpuid.com/softwares/hwmonitor-pro.html

Edit 2: Without as relevant data on system utilization. All one can do is guess at what is needed. The most likely suspect is the CPU. In which case. I would get an i7-7820x or Threadripper 1920x. Based on your budget and uses.

Gonna be testing with MSI Afterburner right now, the post about the ram doesn't really tell me much, it shows improvement from single channel to dual, but then when it switches to quad which doesn't tell me much when it comes to "modern" games. i was told that my pc can only do so much with single channel. and its for the pc in general not just streaming

 

[xraulb]

For the gpu check the settings and make sure the video is being saved on another drive that the game is not running on.

On the solution...ryzen, ryzen all the way simple because of the price alone. 2700x was just released... you can use the stock cooler as well if you wasn't planned to OC at all.

Another option is to have a second PC to do said workload for you? Don't know if you have a second PC already.

 

[essentialhawk]

For the gpu check the settings and make sure the video is being saved on another drive that the game is not running on.

On the solution...ryzen, ryzen all the way simple because of the price alone. 2700x was just released... you can use the stock cooler as well if you wasn't planned to OC at all.

Another option is to have a second PC to do said workload for you? Don't know if you have a second PC already.

i have a corsair h100i v2, i do have a 2nd pc, i5 2500 with a 660 ti

and what do you mean save the video? i have it streamed so the benchmarks are in the vod

 

[xraulb]

Sorry, my fault for some reason I thought about recording the video. In recording you normally want it saving into another hard drive/sdd. Streaming is another matter. Anyways since you do have another PC why don't you look up how to use it for streaming the content while your main PC plays the game. Many streaming tend to do this. It's just an idea of course

 

[essentialhawk]

bump?

 

[xraulb]

https://help.twitch.tv/customer/portal/articles/1988680-broadcasting-with-two-computers

read this, use that second pc and dont spend more money if you dont have to.