Wow... this is a really long post! It sounds like you've got your thoughts pretty well in line. Your jump to Intel is gonna cost your some bucks. As for the prices comeing down, they seem to be doing that slowly over time thanks to competition between AMD and Intel... but who knows how far they will go. I sort of see the Northwoods becoming more valuable as the Prescott's are what Intel is switching over to while most prefer Northwoods. (I'm typing on a PressHot now and it's at 65 degrees under UD load!)
The Athlon XP2500's are great little chips for $80 and most will do XP3200 speed on an nForce2-Ultra 400 board. So don't give up on Athlons if $$$ is important. I just ordered one of the XP2400 mobile chips for $77 at Newegg just to see how it overclocks, and the big benefit is it's unlocked! A64's are in the same price league as the Intel chips and certainly worth it, but I'm gonna wait a while for my first A64 build.
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The Athlon XP2500's are great little chips for $80 and most will do XP3200 speed on an nForce2-Ultra 400 board. So don't give up on Athlons if $$$ is important. I just ordered one of the XP2400 mobile chips for $77 at Newegg just to see how it overclocks, and the big benefit is it's unlocked! A64's are in the same price league as the Intel chips and certainly worth it, but I'm gonna wait a while for my first A64 build.
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Look, dude, quit fighting the urge! Get a 2.8C and O'C it to 3.2ghz. Leave all the AMD fanboys eating your dust! 
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now it sounds like to me that you dont do anything in particular in a heavy amount, so choosiing a platform is tough. if you leaned towards gaming id say all the way go for the athlon 2800+ or 3000+. if you were going for video editing, id say p4 2.8c. but since you dont really gravitate in one direction, id say if your wanting to keep budget down id go for the ahtlon xp line, like the 2500+, and pair it witha nice video card, since there is no reason to spend money ona p4 or ahtlon 64 platform if you wont really be taking advantage of them on a daily basis.
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Duron 700 is clocked at 700MHz.
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Buy 2000Pro. Better than XP. XP has extra eye candy that you do not need. My next upgrade will be longhorn. Thats a big if. Micro$ makes it a whole lot better than 2000Pro.
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You had me confused with 200 pro vs 2000 pro. I was thinking pentium pro 200
I did not know what you ment.
I agree 2000 pro is the best OS for getting the job done speed etc. XP pro or not pro has a lot of bloat.
However if buying today you will get more life out of xp via updates (yes this is important). and since NX don't apply unless a64 and xp sp2 you might get a couple more years out of an xp OS.
I love win 2000 but xp pro is better if you have a fast system and dont plan on upgrading the OS anytime soon.
I am not sure if win 2000 will have updates too much longer. I'm sure somone here knows the life cycle
If I glanced at a spilt box of tooth picks on the floor, could I tell you how many are in the pile. Not a chance, But then again I don't have to buy my underware at Kmart.
I did not know what you ment.
I agree 2000 pro is the best OS for getting the job done speed etc. XP pro or not pro has a lot of bloat.
However if buying today you will get more life out of xp via updates (yes this is important). and since NX don't apply unless a64 and xp sp2 you might get a couple more years out of an xp OS.
I love win 2000 but xp pro is better if you have a fast system and dont plan on upgrading the OS anytime soon.
I am not sure if win 2000 will have updates too much longer. I'm sure somone here knows the life cycle
If I glanced at a spilt box of tooth picks on the floor, could I tell you how many are in the pile. Not a chance, But then again I don't have to buy my underware at Kmart.
Ps Anyone know when they are gonna drop some prices? Man I have been tracking these upgrades for months now the 2.8-3.2 intel chips have barely budged maybe falling $7-10 since February or so. The Asus p4c800-e delux has barely budged. Amd did drop prices a bit which makes them much more attractive--likewise with the asus A7N8X-e delux.
And what is up with the memory? At least the Corsair modules I was tracking went up like a b***. They seem to be leveling out now and going back down just a touch in the last couple of weeks but are still much higher than when I first started tracking them. The twin x 1024-3200 c2 with 2-3-3 timmings were $208 when I first started tracking them some months ago. These pairs of modules went up to $280 before settling back down a bit to around $259 of late. I have heard Chinese new year influences memory prices because people take serveral weeks off from work. Are these price spikes related to the production lag related to that in any way or is that only generic memory that that effects. Corsair is US made, right? Although I suppose it could effect the whole market. Chinese new year was quite some time ago though. Well at least the 9800 pros have dropped and so have the hdds but... All in all with the memory being so high this is ofset somewhat.
And what is up with the memory? At least the Corsair modules I was tracking went up like a b***. They seem to be leveling out now and going back down just a touch in the last couple of weeks but are still much higher than when I first started tracking them. The twin x 1024-3200 c2 with 2-3-3 timmings were $208 when I first started tracking them some months ago. These pairs of modules went up to $280 before settling back down a bit to around $259 of late. I have heard Chinese new year influences memory prices because people take serveral weeks off from work. Are these price spikes related to the production lag related to that in any way or is that only generic memory that that effects. Corsair is US made, right? Although I suppose it could effect the whole market. Chinese new year was quite some time ago though. Well at least the 9800 pros have dropped and so have the hdds but... All in all with the memory being so high this is ofset somewhat.
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Compgeeks has an SiS 748 chipset board (supports up to 400 bus) for Athlon XP's, for $35.
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I have seen some of your posts on other threads crash and I see you are very knowledgible. Is that $35 mobo any good whatsoever?
Wow they have some cheap mobos. Assuming my 1400 and 256 stick of ddr ram is not fried I wouldn't mind getting that comp working.
They have an msi k7t turbo based on the via kt133a chipset for $19.95--I have heard of msi at least don't know much about iwill--is that chipset much better?
Lol, I need to get out more. I should buy the $20 motherboard and spend some money taking a girl out on a date instead of a comp.
Wow they have some cheap mobos. Assuming my 1400 and 256 stick of ddr ram is not fried I wouldn't mind getting that comp working.
They have an msi k7t turbo based on the via kt133a chipset for $19.95--I have heard of msi at least don't know much about iwill--is that chipset much better?
Lol, I need to get out more. I should buy the $20 motherboard and spend some money taking a girl out on a date instead of a comp.
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It's an Iwill board, which is a budget brand but farther up from the bottom end than say, PC-Chips, Alton, Matsonic, Pine, XFX, etc. It uses the SiS 748 chipset, which is a couple notches up from comparable VIA chipsets. It has a reasonably good audio codec (Realtec ALC650), and onboard LAN. It also follows the STANDARD backpanel design of most ATX cases, so if your case doesn't have a removable backplate it will probably fit anyway.
<A HREF="http://www.compgeeks.com/details.asp?invtid=K7S3-N&cat=MBB" target="_new">Here you go</A>
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<A HREF="http://www.compgeeks.com/details.asp?invtid=K7S3-N&cat=MBB" target="_new">Here you go</A>
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you only need xp pro if youll be using things like remote desktop or netowrking pcs at all, since pro handles them better out of the box. performance wise between the two is negligible.
id also say you should really consider an ahtlon 64 system if your considering a p4 one. You could get a motherbaord and processor for about 280-300 if you get the Chaintech VNF3-250 for about 100 , even around 80 at some shops. not only is it a value board, but it does alot of things higher end boards cant, such as use all three dimm slots with ram at full speed and agressive timings.
if you were doing video editing or 3d rendering id say your choice is only p4, but if you mostly use it for other things and game some, youd get a longer life out of an ahtlon 64.
that being said, if you decide you dont want to spend on an ahtlon 64 or p4 system, then the ahtlon xp is a good choice. you can get some really cheap baords, a really nice one that ive had a good experince with is the asus A7N8X-X which you can get for about 60 and it has the great nvidia audio onbaord.
id also say you should really consider an ahtlon 64 system if your considering a p4 one. You could get a motherbaord and processor for about 280-300 if you get the Chaintech VNF3-250 for about 100 , even around 80 at some shops. not only is it a value board, but it does alot of things higher end boards cant, such as use all three dimm slots with ram at full speed and agressive timings.
if you were doing video editing or 3d rendering id say your choice is only p4, but if you mostly use it for other things and game some, youd get a longer life out of an ahtlon 64.
that being said, if you decide you dont want to spend on an ahtlon 64 or p4 system, then the ahtlon xp is a good choice. you can get some really cheap baords, a really nice one that ive had a good experince with is the asus A7N8X-X which you can get for about 60 and it has the great nvidia audio onbaord.
thanks crash, you da man. I was looking for a review on the mobo but couldn't seem to locate one. For some reason the sis numbers on the keyword list on Tom's run out before they get to 748 too. Thanks for summing it up. I think I may grab that board for my unused 1400 athlon and my 256 stick of 266 ddr memory. With the onboard sound and lan I will (hopefully) pretty much be set except for perhaps another cd rom drive. I'll still probably build another system but I hate waste. I may have use for an extra comp soon anyway.
thanks again buddy
ps--does compgeeks have a good reputation? (still new to the buying over the net thing)
thanks again buddy
ps--does compgeeks have a good reputation? (still new to the buying over the net thing)
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It's an updated version of the 745.
SiS built the 735 to be better than the VIA KT266. They built the 745 to be better than the VIA KT266A. They later added support for 400MHz bus and AGP8x for the 748.
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SiS built the 735 to be better than the VIA KT266. They built the 745 to be better than the VIA KT266A. They later added support for 400MHz bus and AGP8x for the 748.
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Ok crash I just clicked on it. $42.70 with the $7 for ground shipping ( I guess it will arive in a week or two, lol ) Thanks for breaking it down for me. You should get a job as the Tom's Hardware translator for the "common folk" he he. Well enough for one night...more questions later, he he.
) Thanks for breaking it down for me. You should get a job as the Tom's Hardware translator for the "common folk" he he. Well enough for one night...more questions later, he he.Ok this is system so far:
HIS excaliber ice-q platinum 9800 pro- $239 new egg
nec 8x blk dvd+rw/-rw drive ND-2500A oem- $74.99 new egg
seagate barracuda 7200.7 200gb $134.50 zipzoomfly
corsair twinx 1024-3200c2 1gb pl $259 zipzoomfly
arctic silver 5 paste- $11.75
probably:
raidmax midtower atx case with ps-atx847wtp $45 + $15 shipping-new egg (I can take the ps out and use it in this old system-transfering this 430wt true power antec into that one.
-------wow that is $779.23 without the mobo and chip, lol---that is going to be another $150 for low end xp and cheap mobo to up to about $450 for 3.2 ghz p4 and asus p4c800-e delux--Do I need a switch to use the gigabit ethernet?
so xp pro or home??
still not sure of cpu and mobo--still leaning asus p4c800-e delux and p4 although amd athlon xp is way cheaper and someone else suggested amd 64--From my limited experience and looking at the experiences of a few of my friends the power supply and motherboard seem to me to be the components that tend to burn up/flake out/go bad quicker although I must confess I haven't been too impressed with my cd roms either.
Ps. why do people put dual optical drives in their system? I used to think it was so one could run one and copy with the other like recording a tape but I understand now that is generally not the correct way to copy a disc anyway. If one is going to save the disk to hard drive before making a copy why the "need" for a second drive?
wow this gamming "mega system" is gonna cost a bundle--Is is gonna be so fast the online games aren't gonna be any fun anymore? Everyone else is gonna be standing still like I must seem to them now on day of defeat aren't they, lol?
HIS excaliber ice-q platinum 9800 pro- $239 new egg
nec 8x blk dvd+rw/-rw drive ND-2500A oem- $74.99 new egg
seagate barracuda 7200.7 200gb $134.50 zipzoomfly
corsair twinx 1024-3200c2 1gb pl $259 zipzoomfly
arctic silver 5 paste- $11.75
probably:
raidmax midtower atx case with ps-atx847wtp $45 + $15 shipping-new egg (I can take the ps out and use it in this old system-transfering this 430wt true power antec into that one.
-------wow that is $779.23 without the mobo and chip, lol---that is going to be another $150 for low end xp and cheap mobo to up to about $450 for 3.2 ghz p4 and asus p4c800-e delux--Do I need a switch to use the gigabit ethernet?
so xp pro or home??
still not sure of cpu and mobo--still leaning asus p4c800-e delux and p4 although amd athlon xp is way cheaper and someone else suggested amd 64--From my limited experience and looking at the experiences of a few of my friends the power supply and motherboard seem to me to be the components that tend to burn up/flake out/go bad quicker although I must confess I haven't been too impressed with my cd roms either.
Ps. why do people put dual optical drives in their system? I used to think it was so one could run one and copy with the other like recording a tape but I understand now that is generally not the correct way to copy a disc anyway. If one is going to save the disk to hard drive before making a copy why the "need" for a second drive?
wow this gamming "mega system" is gonna cost a bundle--Is is gonna be so fast the online games aren't gonna be any fun anymore? Everyone else is gonna be standing still like I must seem to them now on day of defeat aren't they, lol?
well xp pro does making setting up netowrking alot easier then it would be with home and it gives you esier access to security features like admin accounts and locking the system or folders from the network. for a lan machine i would say your better off with xp pro since netowrking will be easier and you dont have to worry about how many you put on there.
i like your other components fine so your on the right track no matter if you get an athlon 64 or p4. what info would you like on the athlon 64 parts to help you decide between the two? Id be happy to provide whatever you need. If you are thinking purely gaming wise, then ahtlon 64 is the best performing wise to a p4 or ahtlon xp. so it comes down to what you want, cheap or performance. of course the more you spend now, the longer it will last you. i would recommend the ahtlon 64 2800+ or 3000+ combined with a chaintech vnf3 250 , since the combo is pretty cheap. now if you want higher end features, id suggest the msi k8n neo platnium, itll cost you about 150 versus the 90-100 for the chaintech.
the differnces between the two are big, if you use the features. the msi board has an onbaord firewall, gigabit ethernet , which could help you out performance wise during your lans, firewire, and alot of space for adding more hds, up to 8 at once.
the only thing id say about your other parts is if you get a board with sata support, i storngly suggest you get a sata hd, its easier on installation for one thing. you can geta sata hd for the same price as ata part so it wont make a differnce there.
in the end though, getting a p4/athlon 64/athlon xp will all give you a big step up and youll be happy with performance of any of them.
i like your other components fine so your on the right track no matter if you get an athlon 64 or p4. what info would you like on the athlon 64 parts to help you decide between the two? Id be happy to provide whatever you need. If you are thinking purely gaming wise, then ahtlon 64 is the best performing wise to a p4 or ahtlon xp. so it comes down to what you want, cheap or performance. of course the more you spend now, the longer it will last you. i would recommend the ahtlon 64 2800+ or 3000+ combined with a chaintech vnf3 250 , since the combo is pretty cheap. now if you want higher end features, id suggest the msi k8n neo platnium, itll cost you about 150 versus the 90-100 for the chaintech.
the differnces between the two are big, if you use the features. the msi board has an onbaord firewall, gigabit ethernet , which could help you out performance wise during your lans, firewire, and alot of space for adding more hds, up to 8 at once.
the only thing id say about your other parts is if you get a board with sata support, i storngly suggest you get a sata hd, its easier on installation for one thing. you can geta sata hd for the same price as ata part so it wont make a differnce there.
in the end though, getting a p4/athlon 64/athlon xp will all give you a big step up and youll be happy with performance of any of them.
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