Whenever my room temperature rises my pc starts lagging in games

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Hi there!

My specs:
Mobo: MSI G41M-P33 Combo
CPU: Core 2 Quad Q9650 3.00GHz with after-market cooler.
RAM: 8GB DDR3 1066MHz
GPU: Nvidia Geforce GTX 650Ti 2GB GDDR5 OC Edition 128-bit
OS: Windows 10 Pro
Case: Zalman Z11 Plus (5 fans)

Ok, now the only game I'm playing is Smite. I played Single Player games too and the problem still the same so I don't think my internet is the problem here. Please help me, I've tried every single method and solution but the problem still persists. I cleaned my pc of dust, changed my thermal paste, reinstalled windows, tried a ton of "fixes" from Youtube, updated all of my drivers. I'm so desperate right now. I've done all of these in vain. Can someone come with a real solution please? I can play games only in the evening without lag because evenings are colder. I will do anything you ask me, please help!!! I dont want to change my hardware components/upgrade my pc since this rig meet the recommended requirements. I'm playing 1-2 minutes perfectly and then it keeps lagging about 1-2 mins
 
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Does the cpu cooler fan send hot air through the cooler towards the back?
Does the rear fan send air out the back of the case.
That arrangement is what I think it should do.

Have you overclocked your Q9650?

Antec is a good brand and you have plenty of wattage.
I do not suspect the psu.

Your temperatures for cpu/gpu under load are fine.

It baffles me how a minor day/night temperature difference could impact your gaming so much.

I think the real problem is your cpu capability.
Your Q9650 has a passmark rating of 4176 and a single thread rating of 1252.
Single thread performance is important for most games.

Under load, each of 4 cores shows perhaps 45-50% utilization.
You might think you have plenty of cpu power, but likely not.
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Your links show 1% cpu utilization and cpu temperatures in the 35-38c. range.
This looks like idle temperatures to me.
What was the ambient temperature when the reports were taken?
What is your ambient temperature daytime vs. night time.

What is the make/model of your case?
What is the fan arrangement?
If you take the case covers off and direct a house fan at the innards, does this change anything?
If it does, look to case cooling solutions.

FWIW:
----------------how to mount the stock Intel cooler--------------

The stock Intel cooler can be tricky to install.
A poor installation will result in higher cpu temperatures.
If properly mounted, you should expect temperatures at idle to be 10-15c. over ambient.

To mount the Intel stock cooler properly, place the motherboard on top of the foam or cardboard backing that was packed with the motherboard.
The stock cooler will come with paste pre applied, it looks like three grey strips.
The 4 push pins should come in the proper position for installation, that is with the pins rotated in the opposite direction of the arrow,(clockwise)
and pulled up as far as they can go.
Take the time to play with the pushpin mechanism until you know how they work.

Orient the 4 pins so that they are exactly over the motherboard holes.
If one is out of place, you will damage the pins which are delicate.
Push down on a DIAGONAL pair of pins at the same time. Then the other pair.

When you push down on the top black pins, it expands the white plastic pins to fix the cooler in place.

If you do them one at a time, you will not get the cooler on straight.
Lastly, look at the back of the motherboard to verify that all 4 pins are equally through the motherboard, and that the cooler is on firmly.
This last step must be done, which is why the motherboard should be out of the case to do the job. Or you need a case with a opening that lets you see the pins.
It is possible to mount the cooler with the motherboard mounted in the case, but you can then never be certain that the push pins are inserted properly
unless you can verify that the pins are through the motherboard and locked.

If you should need to remove the cooler, turn the pins counter clockwise to unlock them.
You will need to clean off the old paste and reapply new if you ever take the cooler off.
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While you may have changed the thermal paste, I suspect you may have missed something in the process.

 
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I don't believe it's important to know ambient temperature when this occurs (anyway it's around 20-22 degrees now). Just keep in mind that I'm lagging when temperature is above 18 degrees or so. And my case, I already told you I have Zalman Z11 Plus with 5 stock fans (1 up, 1 front, 1 back and 2 side fans for HDD) and my CPU cooler was bought separately, it's not the intel stock cooler. I already tried what you told me and it's useless. I didn't miss anything and I applied one of the best thermal paste out there (arctic silver). Thank you for your post!
 
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Your post ties the ambient /room temperature to your performance problem.
That makes it a very important consideration.

What is your aftermarket cooler?
Any cooler starts with the ambient temperature as a starting point.
Your ambient temperature range seems very normal.
Yet, you observe that a relatively small ambient temperature change causes a problem.
A Intel processor will slow down or shut off if it detects a dangerous temperature.
That point is around 100c.
Lagging is usually caused by a lack of cpu capability, hence this line of thought.


Any cooler needs a source of fresh air to do its job.

You did not state the fan direction.
It is usually best to concentrate on front intake.
Unfortunately your case has only a single front 120mm intake.
I might think the two 80mm side fans should also be intakes and the top and rear fans should be exhaust.

Is it possible that your graphics card is having a problem?
What is the make/model of your PSU?
If a psu is failing it may be delivering insufficient power to the graphics card.
If, for example, your psu fan is defective, that could cause you a problem.
A old psu can deteriorate over time.



 
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Does the cpu cooler fan send hot air through the cooler towards the back?
Does the rear fan send air out the back of the case.
That arrangement is what I think it should do.

Have you overclocked your Q9650?

Antec is a good brand and you have plenty of wattage.
I do not suspect the psu.

Your temperatures for cpu/gpu under load are fine.

It baffles me how a minor day/night temperature difference could impact your gaming so much.

I think the real problem is your cpu capability.
Your Q9650 has a passmark rating of 4176 and a single thread rating of 1252.
Single thread performance is important for most games.

Under load, each of 4 cores shows perhaps 45-50% utilization.
You might think you have plenty of cpu power, but likely not.
Be careful how you interpret task manager cpu utilizations.
Windows will spread the activity of a single thread over all available threads.
So, if you had a game that was single threaded and cpu bound, it would show up on a quad core processor as 25%
utilization across all 4 threads.
leading you to think your bottleneck was elsewhere.
It turns our that few games can usefully use more than 2-3 threads.
How can you tell how well threaded your games or apps are?
One way is to disable one thread and see how you do.

You can do this in the windows msconfig boot advanced options option.
You will need to reboot for the change to take effect. Set the number of processors to less than you have.
This will tell you how sensitive your games are to the benefits of many threads.
If you see little difference, it tells you that you will not benefit from more cores.
Likely, a better clock rate will be more important.

As to why this is different day vs. night, I have no clue.
If you are playing multiplayer games, perhaps there are more participants at night.

FWIW $250 buys you a G4600, a lga1151 motherboard and 8gb of ddr4 ram.
Passmark 5218/2057



 
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Man, this is so frustrating. There's a long story to be told. No, I never overclocked my cpu or any other component. 2 years ago I did have a simple case and a different processor (q9400) and I didn't have this problem. I'm so done with this shit. To be honest I don't have time or patience for this and I don't wanna invest money in pc's anymore. I will speak with an IT expert and if he can't help I will throw my pc out of friggin' window and that's it. <language removed by moderator>! End of story! Thank you all for helping me, you can close this thread. Take care!
 
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to clutch at straws some more, i'm thinking maybe the vrms are overheating with the more powerful processor. if you can be bothered after all this maybe try a fan blowing directly onto the motherboards heatsinks, or even taking it off and replacing the pads. thats still a lot of time to waste on a guess though. the main problem with it though is it's 10 years old, and they degrade over time
 
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My 6 year older rig (which by the way acts like a furnace! while gaming) is much snappier(X3) in cold weather with window cracked open by the tower sitting on desk with open side panels Amd FX-8350, Asus Crosshair Formula V, Asus Matrix Platinum R9 290x graphics, T2 temp (north-bridge) never goes beyond 50 with extra blower fan) CPU stays around 35 C on corsair H80 water cooler, mobo temp at 26 and HDDs at 24 with 4 case fans all at their minimum duty cycles. When weather warms up you'll be adding 10 degrees at least to each of those despite ramping up all fans to a bearable acoustic level, and the computer performance is good but not the best! Heat really tangibly decreases the RESPONSIVENESS of the system.
 
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The BIOS readings are within normal range. Is the HWMonitor screenshot new? It's quite a difference between the two readings. Assuming they use the same sensors on the motherboard then it's difficult to understand why there's such a difference.

From what I understand, PSU problems are really difficult to diagnose. The only way I know is to use another PSU for comparison if possible. There are voltage meters for PSUs, but I'm not sure how many people actually own one for personal usage.

While I don't know if a PSU problem can be the cause of the lag you mention, for the long term health of the system it's worth looking into.
 
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Yes, these screenshots are new, half an hour ago. I bought my psu 4 months ago from some computers company. I still got the insurance available but I would like to mention I changed 3 psu's over 2 years. Also, my mobo, gpu and first cpu (c2q q9400) were bought in the summer of 2013 when I didn't have this problem. When I upgraded my cpu to this (q9650, not a big improvement, I know but I got it for free) I encountered this problem for the first time but then I changed my psu and everything was fine for a couple of months and then it started to lag again and again...
 
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Correct me if I am wrong but the voltage numbers displayed on different Hardware monitors are those delivered by the motherboard, so the issue could be also at the motherboard end ?
What PSU model are you running on your system?
 
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That's an interesting point. Could be worthwhile checking the voltages again with the old CPU if still available?

Just a reminder of what we know has been tried: dusted, reseated cooler, reinstalled Windows, updated drivers, and unspecified fixes.

Under the unspecified fixes have you updated the BIOS?
 
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I don't have my old q9400 anymore. I tried to update my bios too with update downloaded from their website (msi) but it says "windows not supported" or something like that. So, I can't play games in windows 10 because they lag because I can't update my bios? So what, I can play games only on windows 7? Should I switch back to windows 7? I should mention though "been there done that"
 
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That's a strange message. Most (all?) motherboard BIOS updates are through the BIOS screens before Windows is even loaded. Maybe something to check with the manual about BIOS updates as motherboards can vary a bit. It is possible Windows 10 doesn't work well on the older hardware. But I'm uncertain if it's the cause of the problems.

We don't really seem to know the cause of the lag which is troubling. Aside from the things already mentioned I would suggest using MSI Afterburner to monitor components to see what's going on when the lag occurs. Of particular interest are the CPU and GPU usage, frequencies and temperatures; RAM frequency and usage; fps and frame times; and perhaps even page file usage. What we're looking for are oddities when the fps drops and frame times are extended, and how the other components are affected at those precise moments.

That pretty much exhausts my input. Hopefully someone else can see what we've missed.
 
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